BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on May 1, 2014 22:16:21 GMT -5
Give Shamrock a break guys, this interview gave him internal injuries, AGAIN. All that internal bleeding has warped his mind and only the magical powers of Ace-Bandage can straighten him out. Kinda like that cure James Franco used on his dad in Rise of the Planet of the Apes
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2014 8:00:02 GMT -5
Admittedly, Lesnar went pussy mode in the last match and begged Heyman to interfere to prevent himself from tapping out. Exactly. The layout and booking of the Mania and Extreme Rulez matches were inexcusable. HHH should never have been presented as being physically equal with Lesnar in any way (because he is not). He should have been booked the same way Cena was : valiantly fighting on against a juggernaut and not giving in, despite the severe physical superiority of his opponent. HHH should have been selling 90% in both matches and making hero comebacks. It was not credible the way it was put together and executed. It should've been all about his wrestling smarts vs. Lesnar's unhinged power and rage. He's the Cerebral Assassin, that's the one moniker I could actually buy with him. He didn't outsmart Brock, he just kicked his ass all over the cage.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 2, 2014 8:13:13 GMT -5
Exactly. The layout and booking of the Mania and Extreme Rulez matches were inexcusable. HHH should never have been presented as being physically equal with Lesnar in any way (because he is not). He should have been booked the same way Cena was : valiantly fighting on against a juggernaut and not giving in, despite the severe physical superiority of his opponent. HHH should have been selling 90% in both matches and making hero comebacks. It was not credible the way it was put together and executed. It should've been all about his wrestling smarts vs. Lesnar's unhinged power and rage. He's the Cerebral Assassin, that's the one moniker I could actually buy with him. He didn't outsmart Brock, he just kicked his ass all over the cage. Agreed. He should have borrowed the psychology Flair used in 93 vs Vader. Leverage and intelligence. Not a dick measuring contest where you script a pretend fight to where you're somehow physical equals with a man everyone on earth knows would legit murder you in about 30 seconds in real life. It was so transparently shallow, egotistical and phony.
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Post by darkendless on May 4, 2014 0:42:20 GMT -5
Streak or no streak, they've shit the bed with Lesnar's booking, for the most part. No way in hell he should have lost to Cena in his first match back, nor looked cowardly against HHH at any point. The guys in charge are f***ing clueless. They'll probably f*** up the momentum he should have gained from conquering the streak too. Just watch.
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Post by baerrtt on May 4, 2014 10:21:30 GMT -5
This is the same promotion that had Shane Mcmahon go toe to toe with an Olympic wrestling Gold medallist(irrespective of the beating Shane took in that match) and, bringing it back to Brock, had Lesnar once running scared from Hardcore Holly. I don't believe the Extreme Rules match last year was a HHH ego thing but more in line of the company historically always making their faces out to be supermen against any opposition.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2014 10:32:01 GMT -5
This is the same promotion that had Shane Mcmahon go toe to toe with an Olympic wrestling Gold medallist(irrespective of the beating Shane took in that match) and, bringing it back to Brock, had Lesnar once running scared from Hardcore Holly. I don't believe the Extreme Rules match last year was a HHH ego thing but more in line of the company historically always making their faces out to be supermen against any opposition. Shane only ever got the upper hand on Kurt when blindsiding him whilst Angle was facing someone else. The actual King of the Ring 2001 match they had is one of the single most one sided brawls in wrestling history. The only reason Shane got a few hits in is that it was Kurt's third match of the night, and in that the match had excellent psychology: even after 2 matches, Kurt was still destroying someone kayfabe considered a non-wrestler despite being somewhat tired. Brock running from Holly was somewhat similar, Hardcore attacking when Brock was doing something else. And it made sense as Holly was in a furious rage for Brock breaking his neck. Beef in wrestling makes even the weakest looking wrestler a force. Plus it was before Brock was a heavyweight champion in UFC after beating the legend Randy Couture in his third ever bout, Maggle!
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on May 4, 2014 11:25:49 GMT -5
Even though I would have prefered a match like the one that sean carless said, I had no problem with saying HHH being booked as equally powerfulthat brock, at least in the sense that I don't care if Lesnar is a legit shoot fighter, since I'm watching a show were a guy became champion after fighting 2 hard matches in one night, and the muppets are canon
Is stupid? yes, but somehow, I don't mind when the E' takes some liberties with things that could never happen in real life
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Post by welshjobber on May 4, 2014 11:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by somsta on May 4, 2014 13:39:33 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of you would be fans of Vince Russo's "if this were real" vision of booking. Tank Abott for world champion!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 4, 2014 13:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by SAJ Forth on May 4, 2014 13:56:24 GMT -5
He's now in the zone.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 4, 2014 15:00:01 GMT -5
Agreed. That's one of my favorite themes ever.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 4, 2014 18:44:10 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of you would be fans of Vince Russo's "if this were real" vision of booking. Tank Abott for world champion! Anyone with any concept of fighting knew that Tank Abbott was a joke anyway. He was a punching bag or tackle dummy for anyone with actual skill in UFC from the beginning. The thing with Lesnar is that his entire cache and appeal TODAY, was that he was a natural, once in a lifetime athlete who did things no WWE pro wrestler ever has. He was hired for his legitimacy. He was hired off that reputation and specialness, and ergo, any value he had was in him being physically superior to all the regular roster (which he actually is in real life), not equals physically with a part-time suit with zero athletic credentials outside what his wife pretends he has and writes from there. People might accept the Muppets as canon (which is absurd), but money is only drawn at the box office in wrestling when fans believe. Fans believed Donald Trump might get his head shaved. Fans believed in a working man taking it to his evil boss. Fans believed in a match wherein two men, Hogan and Andre, finally fought, and neither had ever lost in the company, thus someone would this time. People believed that Warrior might be the man to beat Hulk Hogan and actually succeed him. People believed that a tattooed big mouth armed with only a microphone was exposing inner-workings of a corrupt carny outfit. People believed that Rock returned to expose a corporate creation and bring back "the wrestling they remember" (as short-sighted as that was.). People believed in a furry little man over the usual physical archetype, and they then believed they forced a corporation's hand to finally give him his deserved and earned break at the company's biggest show. And people bought Lesnar coming back because he was "real". So much so, that in that match with Cena, there were dozens of people actually believing that Lesnar was "shooting" and "going too far". Lesnar was an attraction, and the booking should, for optimized long-term result, be in booking him as the unequaled monster he is. And not as just another guy. He's not 2003 Lesnar anymore. He has transcended that. People that beat him, like Cena, have to use their heads. A guy like HHH has to be crafty. He cannot go toe to toe with Brock. It's laughable. But he can be smarter. He can be faster. Use that. The problem, as mentioned, is that HHH has little dick syndrome sometimes when it comes to people who are actually genetically better than he is. This is a guy after all who got equally as roided up so he could go muscle for muscle in that clownshoes "posedown" with Steiner in 2002.
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Post by angryfan on May 4, 2014 18:57:39 GMT -5
Shamrock may be bitter, but when it comes to Lesnar, he's as close to the modern Andre as we'll get. Not in size, but in mystique. Yes, diverticulitis, I know, but between the amateur background and the just freakish strength, if he wants to beat you, more often then not it will happen. You can still "work" a loss with him, but, especially after he came back after basically walking into UFC and making them his bitch, you have to make it mean something.
His loss to Cena meant nothing. His loss to Triple H meant nothing. Neither needed it, and given that crossover audiences who said "it's Lesnar, I wanna see this" and hadn't seen Brock's earlier run (the whole new fans bit Vince craves) would tune in to see him lose his first match back?
Those fans wouldn't stick around after that, why would they? They tuned in to watch Brock wreck people, they saw him lose his first match back. That's a way to just say "Yeah, don't need THAT money". The Taker win might recoup a little of that, but not much. The boat sailed because WWE couldn't have someone who left and made good come back and not pay for leaving.
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