Hawk Hart
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Sold his organs.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 8, 2014 14:06:31 GMT -5
And I love people that try to hide behind the law but don't understand it. I'm three years into my degree that's gonna let me, oh hey, be a lawyer. This is baseline, introductory course work on contract disputes. They advertised that signing up in a non-trial capacity would require a six month agreement from customers i.e. if you want it, you pay for it for six months even if you only want two. Unless there's a loophole in the terms of service that you agreed to, you're over a barrel. Here's how the law looks at it, your name is attached to the account, as is your personal banking information, the IP they have on record is yours, they likely have a record of data sent to that IP, you paid for at least one month of service without reporting the charges as suspicious activity to your bank, and seemingly had no contact with WWE Network customer service prior to deciding to cancel the service despite agreeing to six months. WWE isn't in the wrong legally, they've offered no less than two trial periods wherein you didn't have to pay for access as long as you cancelled prior to the trial period. Agreeing to terms of service is the same as putting pen to paper or verbally agreeing to something. They're all contracts and with the litany of information required (not the least of which is an account that's tied to your e-mail which also has all sorts of personal info attached) it's hard for you as a consumer to remotely try and prove that it wasn't you that signed up or that they deceived you. In fact, you'd be committing fraud by trying to convince them that it wasn't you that signed up. #HawkLaw I don't really have anything to add here, because everyone's done a bang up job of explaining how the legality of the situation to you. In short, you have no leg to stand on. Probably for the best, WWE would just take his legs in the settlement if he tried to fight them on this.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 8, 2014 14:11:51 GMT -5
#HawkLaw I don't really have anything to add here, because everyone's done a bang up job of explaining how the legality of the situation to you. In short, you have no leg to stand on. Probably for the best, WWE would just take his legs in the settlement if he tried to fight them on this. Vince: Now we can handle this like gentlemen or we can get into some gangsta shit
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percymania
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Post by percymania on Jun 8, 2014 14:26:45 GMT -5
OP should take his case to the supremest of courts
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Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jun 8, 2014 14:46:45 GMT -5
Hell, Why don't we take this a step further. I freely admit to simply being a layperson, but, MOST "Free" trials (Netflix, GameFly, "Adult" Sites, etc) still require you to put in Card Information for means of identity verification and the like.....BUT in their T&C or usually within a disclaimer for the Free* trial, literally spell out in plain English and full size text that you will be charged either a FULL subscription fee, a Pro-Rated fee, or some sort of charge at the time your trial ends.
Secondary to that fact, WWE has on nearly EVERY page of their website a "Contact Us" link, with a litany of phone numbers for various Customer, corporate, and media contacts. Their operators are available during normal business hours (Or until 7PM in some cases), and I've literally gotten the personal business lines of various Executives in an attempt to contact them over both Customer service and Fan Interaction issues. The only time I've EVER had an issue was when they first rolled out the Network and were swamped with customer service calls.
Thirdly, when you signed up, stated within the conditions, was an itemized and well documented statement of the fee you'd be paying for the service. In the FAQ when asked about price, they further reiterated that you'd be charged $60 every 6 months (180 Days) recurring, UNLESS you denoted otherwise. It also said, as is common with T&C that acceptance of the T&C is an expressed agreement to them and was necessary to allow service. Along with that fact the MYRIAD of Ads, Cut-ins, Micheal Cole explanations of this, etc.....If you didn't "Get" it by then....you're officially the reason that Cole mentions the App/Network in his words "A shitload of times".
Finally...I actually take offense to the use of the word "Scam" to denote this pricing/billing structure. A scam is a patently illegal use of deceit to make money or acquire goods/services. What this is, is a legitimate business model used nearly worldwide. A "Scam" would be signing up to pay $60 at regular intervals for hundreds of hours of content and live programming, realizing you made a mistake, and attempting to use legal action to obfuscate your either ignorance unwillingness to pay.
Why am I jumping on OP, vs @slickrickstyles? Because from all the information you've given, It looks like you signed up LONG after the trial ended (They offered 2 trial periods, one at launch and a second closer to WM), and are angry because you couldn't game the system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 14:52:07 GMT -5
Hell, Why don't we take this a step further. I freely admit to simply being a layperson, but, MOST "Free" trials (Netflix, GameFly, "Adult" Sites, etc) still require you to put in Card Information for means of identity verification and the like.....BUT in their T&C or usually within a disclaimer for the Free* trial, literally spell out in plain English and full size text that you will be charged either a FULL subscription fee, a Pro-Rated fee, or some sort of charge at the time your trial ends. Secondary to that fact, WWE has on nearly EVERY page of their website a "Contact Us" link, with a litany of phone numbers for various Customer, corporate, and media contacts. Their operators are available during normal business hours (Or until 7PM in some cases), and I've literally gotten the personal business lines of various Executives in an attempt to contact them over both Customer service and Fan Interaction issues. The only time I've EVER had an issue was when they first rolled out the Network and were swamped with customer service calls. Thirdly, when you signed up, stated within the conditions, was an itemized and well documented statement of the fee you'd be paying for the service. In the FAQ when asked about price, they further reiterated that you'd be charged $60 every 6 months (180 Days) recurring, UNLESS you denoted otherwise. It also said, as is common with T&C that acceptance of the T&C is an expressed agreement to them and was necessary to allow service. Along with that fact the MYRIAD of Ads, Cut-ins, Micheal Cole explanations of this, etc.....If you didn't "Get" it by then....you're officially the reason that Cole mentions the App/Network in his words "A shitload of times". Finally...I actually take offense to the use of the word "Scam" to denote this pricing/billing structure. A scam is a patently illegal use of deceit to make money or acquire goods/services. What this is, is a legitimate business model used nearly worldwide. A "Scam" would be signing up to pay $60 at regular intervals for hundreds of hours of content and live programming, realizing you made a mistake, and attempting to use legal action to obfuscate your either ignorance unwillingness to pay. Why am I jumping on OP, vs @slickrickstyles? Because from all the information you've given, It looks like you signed up LONG after the trial ended (They offered 2 trial periods, one at launch and a second closer to WM), and are angry because you couldn't game the system. I liked, unliked, and then liked this post again, and then followed that up by liking your most recent unrelated posts. I just wanted you to get the full feeling of how much I liked this post.
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Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jun 8, 2014 14:53:33 GMT -5
......Thnak you.
EDIT: Thank you (Keeping the old one...because It shows how amazingly......Actually overwhelmed I am)
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Post by MiLB Fan on Jun 8, 2014 15:14:09 GMT -5
#HawkLaw I don't really have anything to add here, because everyone's done a bang up job of explaining how the legality of the situation to you. In short, you have no leg to stand on. Probably for the best, WWE would just take his legs in the settlement if he tried to fight them on this. They'd kick his leg out from under his ... leg. I already liked Hawk's post on the previous page, but I'd also like to thank everyone who put the OP in his place. It's astounding how some people won't take responsibility for their actions.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 8, 2014 15:15:57 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well and without incident when OP comes back.
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Brood Lone Wolf Funker
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jun 8, 2014 15:43:58 GMT -5
I'm sure this will end well and without incident when OP comes back. If he comes back maybe
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 15:46:31 GMT -5
LMAO, what a heel. You basically gave your word that you would give WWE 60 bucks over the course of six months in a mutual agreement and now you are backing out of it. You are in the wrong here dude. I don't care how many attorneys you talk to, you are bailing on a clear agreement. I only wanted the TRIAL. Not sure if the trial was even a thing anymore, but if it was you obviously didn't cancel the trial soon enough and now you're locked in. Deal with it.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 8, 2014 15:48:15 GMT -5
He got a trial alright...and was found GUILTY!
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 8, 2014 16:01:19 GMT -5
Dude got filled with more holes than swiss cheese, haha.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 8, 2014 17:12:00 GMT -5
He got a trial alright...and was found GUILTY!
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percymania
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Post by percymania on Jun 8, 2014 17:17:28 GMT -5
Dude got filled with more holes than swiss cheese, haha. The last time this many holes were filled Batista had to be banned from the Diva's locker room.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 8, 2014 17:35:29 GMT -5
I never expected this thread to be as hilarious as it proved to be.
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Brood Lone Wolf Funker
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jun 8, 2014 17:39:45 GMT -5
Dude got filled with more holes than swiss cheese, haha. This story is so filled with holes it became Robocop
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Hawk Hart
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Sold his organs.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 8, 2014 17:48:52 GMT -5
He got a trial alright...and was found GUILTY! Another reason why Hawk Jefferson, Attorney at Law is FAN's winningest attorney.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Jun 8, 2014 17:57:19 GMT -5
I never expected this thread to be as hilarious as it proved to be. It's threads like these that make me happy I signed up those few years ago now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 8, 2014 18:02:06 GMT -5
Free trial = the pen being rrrrrrrr
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ROOOOYAL BLUE!
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 8, 2014 18:09:56 GMT -5
Goddamn the beatdown in this thread was tremendous. And all that over SIXTY DOLLARS, TEN OF THEM A MONTH. He was talking as though he'd be charged 1,000 times that amount a month.
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