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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jun 12, 2014 15:16:09 GMT -5
Godspeed Jayson. Godspeed you elusive bastard.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 12, 2014 15:18:01 GMT -5
Of the talent who made their first onscreen appearances between 2005 and 2009, here's who's left: Cody Rhodes Dolph Ziggler Great Khali Hornswoggle Jack Swagger Santino Zach Ryder You can sort of kind of include Miz in that bunch. I know he joined Tough Enough in 2004, but he didn't get signed proper until 2005 and didn't make his main roster debut until 2006. |
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Post by Tessmachers-Ass-Fan on Jun 12, 2014 15:18:23 GMT -5
WWE has come to terms on the release of the following Superstars as of today, June 12, 2014: JTG  |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 12, 2014 15:18:25 GMT -5
My mistake, added. Good eye. Kofi as well. |
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Jun 12, 2014 15:19:21 GMT -5
Of the talent who made their first onscreen appearances between 2005 and 2009, here's who's left: Cody Rhodes Dolph Ziggler Great Khali Hornswoggle Jack Swagger Santino Zach Ryder Sandow had a a brief stint as a different character, but he was released shortly after. Either way, that is an incredible stat. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jun 12, 2014 15:19:26 GMT -5
The thing is, though, WWE's position has been to just let respective contracts expire rather than just cutting them short in the event they wanted to sever relationships with talent. This mass exodus is a panic move based entirely on money and desperation to free some up quickly. Has it? What about prior mass eliminations? I don't think this is ALL about money. It's got a lot to do with it, no question. But I think it's an instance of killing two birds with one stone. They want the money, and don't need these talents. The last mass firing corresponded with Linda's election campaign. And while Vince insisted he used his own money there, (which they legally had to), it did correspond directly with that timing and padded their business in the interim. Now, keep in mind, another big proponent of the lack of mass firings since then is that WWE was attempting to create and manufacture positive PR; not so much for their business practices and image, but rather to sell potential shareholders and investors and cable companies looking to bid on rights fees that WWE was not just financially stable but excelling. And , along with exaggerated projections, and carny bullshit lies like "there are 62 million WWE fans in thee U.S. alone and 120 worldwide!", it worked. This purge is a descent back down to reality. Their Network is under-performing. And they didn't even double their TV rights fees in a world where lesser viewed and popular products made 5 times as much in some cases. They don't need these guys, you're right. But this is WHY they're doing it NOW. The thing is, though, WWE's position has been to just let respective contracts expire rather than just cutting them short in the event they wanted to sever relationships with talent. This mass exodus is a panic move based entirely on money and desperation to free some up quickly. Honest question, but didn't they say that they had a warchest with millions in it for in case something like the network not exploding out of the gate? They said a lot of things that ended up being smoke and mirrors. They're losing upwards of 53 Million alone this year on the Network costs regardless, and this is not counting whether people un-subscribe in large numbers in September or whether of the 676+ thousand they do have already are in actuality made up of a quarter of international people backdooring via proxies and fake addresses -- suggesting that a good portion of Internationals are ALREADY subscribing; and the ADDITIONAL MILLION WWE will need in 2015 to even break even with them that year may not even be possible. That's the big rumor right now. That the actual domestic number of Network subscribers for U.S. alone is actually around only 400,000. And 250,000+ are Internationals jumping the gun, and already accounted for. WWE needs a legit U.S. million subs to break even at all. And another million with Canada, U.K. and elsewhere to break even there when it becomes available. If not, they'll may be be forced to gouge the people they do have by raising the price 3-4 dollars. Or risk having to crawl back to PPV providers entirely. Vince actually lost nothing in real-life money. The high stock was a projection, and he didn't sell a single share of his own at the risen price. The only people that made money were people like me who sold high. You have to sell to get the projection, or to lose your original investment when it perceived value goes down. As for the contracts, it all adds up. WWE is just tightening their belt. This won't offset their start up costs or MLB cuts, or all the other first year money grab losses of the Network performing so below projection and needed subscription, but its a trimming of the fat in their eyes, and the end of unneeded spending. That said, to everyone who says that guys with potential being put into comedy jobber roles like Drew, being forced to put over midgets, should just be happy to be featured prominently on TV -- well, this is proof that it really adds nothing of value to your personal brand and future. You're just a disposable cog in the WWE wheel, and as such, when released, it will be harder to make money on the indies than a guy who was at least painted as credible, since you're perceived as so worthless. This was the reason, back in the day, guys like Brody and Abdullah and dozens of others protected their image so much and refused to put themselves into compromising positions. I will never understand why wrestlers do not say no to stupid gimmicks. Granted not everyone is going to be booked as a main eventer, but if I were a wrestler, the first thing I would do was nix any idea that involved dancing or comedy. Those rarely ever work (Rikishi is the only one I can think of, and even he was a fat guy in a sumo thong), and once they no longer work for the WWE, that gimmick will pigeonhole their future work. I wish wrestling was formatted differently to give the individual more power over characters, for their own sake. The average wrestler in today's landscape is always walking on eggshells. The perception is that since WWE is a juggernaut monopoly, that you HAVE to do what you're told, take what you get without saying no (despite the ones who make it big often doing just that), or risk your livelihood altogether. What they don't realize sometimes though is that while WWE is the show, they pay horribly. I mean, to the point where the average fan would be shocked to find out how little most made. And this is not even taking into account the terrible Red Rooster-style gimmicks they get saddled with that follow these poor bastards forever, and are albatrooses around their neck to the point where, with some exception, like Terry Taylor himself, they never rebound and draw money again. (luckily for Taylor though, he made his way into management roles after WWF ruined his in-ring career). Back to the money, though: Hell, Daniel Bryan mentioned in an interview with Jericho recently, that he made more on the Indies than in WWE until almost 2011. Even when he won the U.S. Title, MITB, and initially the World belt, he made more money working spot shows in gyms and ROH than in WWE. That's incredible. In fact, when he was initially fired in 2010, he wasn't even upset, because he knew the backlash of him getting fired would make him even more money there. And when WWE called him afterward, they, being the carnies in a bubble they are, were shocked and bewildered that he didn't even really care. He went to WWE to "try and make it", not because of money. But they thought , that a star should feel like their life has ended without them. It's amazing. And it's probably why Stephanie hates CM Punk so much. That said, guys like Luke "Doc" Gallows, Carlito, Chris Masters, MVP, etc. make/made way more money on indies than they did in WWE. And at the same time, a guy like Tensai took a huge pay loss to leave Japan to come back to WWE and potentially be a main eventer (like today's Rusev) only to see it all flop and now he just works as a commentator. It goes both ways. WWE isn't always the land of milk and honey unfortunately. A guy like Drew should be OK in time. But the guys I feel sorry for are the one's down the line who are exclusively taught WWE's style without any other legit experience. If discarded by WWE, they'll have to relearn to work in places wherein the opposite style and psychology is needed. So what will they do? WWE will have created automatons who can be plugged into their system fine. But these guys have no skills outside that, and will be cast out into nothing "if creative has nothing for them." There is life outside WWE. And often a better one. But really only for the guys who are smart. It's just the lure of being "on top" and thus making that Cena/Orton money is what drives most to go to WWE. And if you can make it, it's worth it. But for everyone else, your stint often ends with you in a costume putting over a midget. |
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Post by the2ndevil on Jun 12, 2014 15:20:27 GMT -5
3MB is dead.
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Post by chazraps on Jun 12, 2014 15:20:48 GMT -5
My mistake, added. Good eye. Kofi as well. Good catch, added. You can sort of kind of include Miz in that bunch. I know he joined Tough Enough in 2004, but he didn't get signed proper until 2005 and didn't make his main roster debut until 2006. "Tough Enough" was heavily featured on Smackdown though, especially Miz. He's part of that debuting between 2002-2004 generation. |
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Post by oneday on Jun 12, 2014 15:21:18 GMT -5
Of the talent who made their first onscreen appearances between 2005 and 2009, here's who's left: Cody Rhodes Dolph Ziggler Great Khali Hornswoggle Jack Swagger Santino Zach Ryder some divas did too Bella Twins Rosa Mendes Alicia Fox Natalya Layla |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 15:21:37 GMT -5
So clearly WWE are eliminating those from the Johnny Ace era as they feel that is wasted money and time. The ones left are the ones they likely would have signed now anyway.
Makes you wonder how long Big Johnny has left himself since they seem to think so little of his work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 15:21:50 GMT -5
JTG didn't survive these latest cuts?!?!?   |
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Post by ayumidah on Jun 12, 2014 15:22:14 GMT -5
I never cared much for Drew or Jinder until they joined 3MB, but good God, this is sad. I enjoyed 3MB so much, and I saw all three of them at a live event a month and a half ago, Drew was such a loud heckler, it was hilarious.
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Post by BigBadZ on Jun 12, 2014 15:24:28 GMT -5
Well this was an unexpected thread to see when I get off work. Some of those names are surprising given how much tv time they've had recently. Honestly, I wanted JTG to pull through this one just to keep the joke going...
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jun 12, 2014 15:25:04 GMT -5
Oh my god, it's been a long time since I've woken up and found a 20+ page releases thread.
DAMNIT! NO MORE 3MB? WWWWWHHHHHYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 15:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 12, 2014 15:25:29 GMT -5
i get the feeling that JTG was like Milton from Office Space. he got released a long time ago but no one ever told him and due to a glitch in accounting he still got paid, so they just fixed the glitch
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 15:25:41 GMT -5
Damn....they got JTG.
Wow.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jun 12, 2014 15:26:17 GMT -5
What f***ing bullshit. Five of them were minorities, all in the prime of their careers. I've been complaining about how white centric WWE has become lately, and now they release an Indian guy, a couple black guys, a Japanese guy and whatever Camacho is. Isn't this company supposed to appeal to a global demo? I don't understand getting rid of Brodus. He was over as a face, never got much a monster run. He could talk too but they never let him. It makes no sense to get rid of younger guys while forcing old broken down guys that want out of their contracts like Mysterio to stay.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jun 12, 2014 15:26:20 GMT -5
So is Rosa the new "OMG THEY ARE STILL EMPLOYED?!?!" go to person around here?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jun 12, 2014 15:26:26 GMT -5
On the bright side, we still have Xavier Woods to job out and they're not just gonna dump him right away That's true. WWE won't stop jerking off to that whole PHD thing until they start chaffing. |
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