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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 8:39:40 GMT -5
The fact that he's pretty uninteresting on the mic to the point they let him say, "bitch" on RAW indicates he's not really ready for the wwe whc scene.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 8, 2014 8:39:59 GMT -5
Roman's booking on Raw is probably the first time I've enjoyed the guy since the Shield split. More of that, he should be fine. Just don't try and make him into something he's not.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 8, 2014 8:40:28 GMT -5
Somewhere in a parallel universe, Reigns is getting stale and Cena is getting pushed too fast.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jul 8, 2014 8:58:01 GMT -5
Until people start believing it so that Reigns doesn't take the spot that they want Bryan to hold Bryan is more popular than Reigns. That may change, and I hope for Roman's sake it does, but it's still the case right now. So to imply like its some fringe fans being butt-hurt is silly. Reigns isn't even close to being as over as Bryan was with the majority. He has a log way to go. And the real test will be when Bryan's back, and WWE has to make a decision between both. How many offshoots of "Reigns sucks/Regins is being pushed too fast" do we really need? It's getting to "Cena is stale" levels of bad Cena is stale. There's no levels of bad to that comment. It's simply something that is patently obvious. I'm gonna stand by my stance on why this is happening. People are afraid of things like Reigns main eventing WrestleMania 31 and not Bryan (as evidenced by a poll here about a week ago). Hence they're going to try to delegitimize the guy as much as they can, whether it's intentionally because of Bryan or subconsciously. You wouldn't see this many threads about fear of pushing someone THIS over if it wasn't because of a BIG reason and to me, it's Bryan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 9:02:09 GMT -5
It feels way too manufactured, like a lot of WWE's problems. Last night was mostly fine but #RomanIsRAW was obnoxious. Roman himself is cool and the crowd is clearly into him, but they're trying too hard. Just let it happen organically. You can practically hear Vince screaming "LIKE THIS GUY DAMNIT" "But we already do!" "WELL LIKE HIM MORE, DAMMIT!"
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jul 8, 2014 9:04:16 GMT -5
Bryan is more popular than Reigns. That may change, and I hope for Roman's sake it does, but it's still the case right now. So to imply like its some fringe fans being butt-hurt is silly. Reigns isn't even close to being as over as Bryan was with the majority. He has a log way to go. And the real test will be when Bryan's back, and WWE has to make a decision between both. Cena is stale. There's no levels of bad to that comment. It's simply something that is patently obvious. I'm gonna stand by my stance on why this is happening. People are afraid of things like Reigns main eventing WrestleMania 31 and not Bryan (as evidenced by a poll here about a week ago). Hence they're going to try to delegitimize the guy as much as they can, whether it's intentionally because of Bryan or subconsciously. You wouldn't see this many threads about fear of pushing someone THIS over if it wasn't because of a BIG reason and to me, it's Bryan I agree completely. But I think their fears are legitimate. Bryan is beloved and should be instantly plugged back into the Title picture if he's as hot when he returns. If Roman is more over, it'll be obvious and he will deserve that spot. But if Bryan is, you have to stick with him, despite WWE's wants.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 8, 2014 9:04:37 GMT -5
Until people start believing it so that Reigns doesn't take the spot that they want Bryan to hold Bryan is more popular than Reigns. That may change, and I hope for Roman's sake it does, but it's still the case right now. So to imply like its some fringe fans being butt-hurt is silly. Reigns isn't even close to being as over as Bryan was with the majority. He has a log way to go. And the real test will be when Bryan's back, and WWE has to make a decision between both. How many offshoots of "Reigns sucks/Regins is being pushed too fast" do we really need? It's getting to "Cena is stale" levels of bad Cena is stale. There's no levels of bad to that comment. It's simply something that is patently obvious. I'm not so much arguing the point about whether or not Cena is stale. It's the dozen or so threads a week that I was referring to
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Post by BRV on Jul 8, 2014 9:04:39 GMT -5
I for one think the porridge's temperature is just right.
Back in January, after Roman Reigns had just dominated the Survivor Series match, was the sole Shield member to defeat CM Punk one-on-one, broke the record for eliminations in a Royal Rumble, and it appeared as though The Shield was about to split up, THAT was a push too fast. That was an example of WWE putting the cart before the horse and trying to curry fan support for something that wasn't there yet.
However, Reigns has been a dominant figure in WWE for almost 20 months. Nearly two years. It's about time that he, Dean Ambrose, and Seth Rollins, each receive varying levels of singles success. Ambrose is pushing former champions to the limit, Rollins has the Money in the Bank contract, and Reigns is the fourth man in a fatal four-way championship match. To me, it all feels right.
A lot of this could be chalked up to the fact that Daniel Bryan is injured and the WWE needed somebody to be the number-two babyface in the company behind John Cena, so Reigns got the call to the big leagues. The real test will be when Bryan returns. If he returns and is still getting the reactions he had prior to WrestleMania, then WWE will again have no choice but to acquiesce to the fan's desires. However, if the injury lingers, or he returns and crowds aren't into him like they were in February and March, then it could be Reigns' time.
If Reigns is inorganically pushed to the moon and gets a championship match at WrestleMania XXXI against Brock Lesnar, as has been rumored, then I could see this blowing up in WWE's faces, on par with their disastrous plans for Batista earlier this year. However, if the WWE lets this just continue to build appropriately, then fans will want to support Reigns, not be told to support him.
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Post by domrep on Jul 8, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
I for one think the porridge's temperature is just right. Back in January, after Roman Reigns had just dominated the Survivor Series match, was the sole Shield member to defeat CM Punk one-on-one, broke the record for eliminations in a Royal Rumble, and it appeared as though The Shield was about to split up, THAT was a push too fast. That was an example of WWE putting the cart before the horse and trying to curry fan support for something that wasn't there yet. However, Reigns has been a dominant figure in WWE for almost 20 months. Nearly two years. It's about time that he, Dean Ambrose, and Seth Rollins, each receive varying levels of singles success. Ambrose is pushing former champions to the limit, Rollins has the Money in the Bank contract, and Reigns is the fourth man in a fatal four-way championship match. To me, it all feels right. A lot of this could be chalked up to the fact that Daniel Bryan is injured and the WWE needed somebody to be the number-two babyface in the company behind John Cena, so Reigns got the call to the big leagues. The real test will be when Bryan returns. If he returns and is still getting the reactions he had prior to WrestleMania, then WWE will again have no choice but to acquiesce to the fan's desires. However, if the injury lingers, or he returns and crowds aren't into him like they were in February and March, then it could be Reigns' time. If Reigns is inorganically pushed to the moon and gets a championship match at WrestleMania XXXI against Brock Lesnar, as has been rumored, then I could see this blowing up in WWE's faces, on par with their disastrous plans for Batista earlier this year. However, if the WWE lets this just continue to build appropriately, then fans will want to support Reigns, not be told to support him. Yeah, which is why I said, is this too much too soon. He can't work a 20 minute match but you're gonna put him in there against Lesnar on the biggest show of the year? Maybe he improves by that point, but it's been 2 years and he still hasn't been able to work a full match. I mean here are the stuff he's rumored to be in: - potential feud and PPV match w/Orton - potential feud and PPV match w/HHH - final 3 and possible winner of Royal Rumble 2015 - mind you he's already done the eliminate 10 guys in the match spot - potential feud and WM match w/Lesnar This is all suppose to happen in a span of 9 months. I get the rocket strap to the back push, but it just seems like a lot. Even Cena got the slow build to the top, as did Batista. For me this isn't even about Daniel Bryan, has more to do with the fact that if he's pushed to the moon this quickly, will the fans turn on him. And if they do, then what?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jul 8, 2014 9:22:34 GMT -5
I agree. Roman Reigns should be getting a stop/start/stop/start push with 50/50 booking and goofy comedy segments. It's worked so well to build new stars in the past decade. PS- It doesn't feel organic because we know it's not organic. But no real push is. Steve Austin is often given as an example but really when one of the top guys in the company wants to work with you and put you over pretty early and when the owner of the company clearly is a fan of yours (go back and listen to how much announcer Vince put over Austin even back during the Ringmaster months) your gonna get over. All of these pushes are the combination of the talent, the booking and the fans. He didn't get the belt until 2 years after his king of the ring speech. It also helps that Austin knew how to work, whether he was a brawler or just a straight up wrestler. Reigns is as green as grass, has a limited moveset. The superman punch was GREAT as something that came out of nowhere, but he does it every time now. He also does the 'get out of the ring, jumping leg kick to the face' spot. And this is someone that is rumored to face Lesnar? Ehh...my point is, be subtle with the push, let him start off in the IC tier, not necessarily trying to get the belt but put him in against Sheamus, Cesaro, etc, instead of thrusting him into the main event spotlight before he's ready. He's suppose to face Orton and HHH in the next few months no? Thats all well and good but it has nothing to do with the "organic push" notion people have.
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Post by BRV on Jul 8, 2014 9:28:25 GMT -5
Yeah, which is why I said, is this too much too soon. He can't work a 20 minute match but you're gonna put him in there against Lesnar on the biggest show of the year? Maybe he improves by that point, but it's been 2 years and he still hasn't been able to work a full match. I mean here are the stuff he's rumored to be in: - potential feud and PPV match w/Orton - potential feud and PPV match w/HHH - final 3 and possible winner of Royal Rumble 2015 - mind you he's already done the eliminate 10 guys in the match spot - potential feud and WM match w/Lesnar Then what we have right now is a good trial run to determine Roman Reigns' worth and future with WWE. He's got from now until the Royal Rumble in January to prove he's worthy of all the rumored hype surrounding a WrestleMania championship match. If he goes out and stinks up the joint with Triple H and Randy Orton, then he's clearly not deserving of a WrestleMania main event spotlight. But if he excels and puts on quality matches and shows signs that he can hang in the ring with these well-established stars, for 20-plus minutes, and if the crowd is behind him, then by all means, give him his big WrestleMania moment. Let's not forget that before Brock Lesnar got his WrestleMania main event push, he still had to prove that he could go in the ring with The Rock, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, and Big Show. Had he gone out and crapped the bed in those matches and if the crowd was greeting him with silence, then I doubt he's squaring off with Kurt Angle in the main event at WrestleMania XIX.
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Post by pepsitwist on Jul 8, 2014 9:29:44 GMT -5
Probably more the fact that Reigns was pushed hardest when in The Shield, for such a dominant stable, they sure went out of their way to make Reigns look the best despite him being the most limited. Luckily, Ambrose and Rollins are in a really intense feud and Reigns is making his own way.
However, some might feel the breakup of the Shield was merely to hotshot Reigns into a higher position than Rollins or Ambrose, despite the latter winning MITB, which we assume he holds for a year and successfully cashes in.
Despite all that, I'm all for fresh faces in the main event, and all three members of the group will be big players for years to come.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 8, 2014 9:32:20 GMT -5
What is the organic push supposed to entail anyway? Because I saw people in the past saying that BRYAN'S push wasn't organic because they were acknowledging (and later, marketing) the fan rebellion.
I don't think putting Reigns down the card into the IC/US division to bide his time is the way to go, because then that's just ACTUALLY doing to him what people think they're going to do to Rollins and/or Ambrose and/or Bryan to protect Reigns, even though he's just as over as the first two are.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 8, 2014 9:46:05 GMT -5
Let's not forget that before Brock Lesnar got his WrestleMania main event push, he still had to prove that he could go in the ring with The Rock, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, and Big Show. Had he gone out and crapped the bed in those matches and if the crowd was greeting him with silence, then I doubt he's squaring off with Kurt Angle in the main event at WrestleMania XIX. I'm glad you mentioned Brock. While everyone talks about the rocket being strapped to Reigns, Brock was *THE* example of someone who had a rocket strapped to their back. He debuted in April and by September 1st: had won KOTR, destroyed Hogan clean as a sheet and beat the Rock square in the middle of the ring at Summerslam for the friggin title.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 8, 2014 9:54:43 GMT -5
I agree. Roman Reigns should be getting a stop/start/stop/start push with 50/50 booking and goofy comedy segments. It's worked so well to build new stars in the past decade. PS- It doesn't feel organic because we know it's not organic. But no real push is. Steve Austin is often given as an example but really when one of the top guys in the company wants to work with you and put you over pretty early and when the owner of the company clearly is a fan of yours (go back and listen to how much announcer Vince put over Austin even back during the Ringmaster months) your gonna get over. All of these pushes are the combination of the talent, the booking and the fans. Yeah, I don't get this "organic push" talk. How can a push be considered "organic"?
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 8, 2014 9:59:04 GMT -5
Here's a solution (although it may not work).
Turn Bryan heel when and if he returns and put him in the main event against Reigns. Bryan would not be losing a spot and he is skilled and talented enough to not expose Reigns.
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Post by domrep on Jul 8, 2014 10:01:15 GMT -5
Let's not forget that before Brock Lesnar got his WrestleMania main event push, he still had to prove that he could go in the ring with The Rock, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, and Big Show. Had he gone out and crapped the bed in those matches and if the crowd was greeting him with silence, then I doubt he's squaring off with Kurt Angle in the main event at WrestleMania XIX. I'm glad you mentioned Brock. While everyone talks about the rocket being strapped to Reigns, Brock was *THE* example of someone who had a rocket strapped to their back. He debuted in April and by September 1st: had won KOTR, destroyed Hogan clean as a sheet and beat the Rock square in the middle of the ring at Summerslam for the friggin title. Brock had the amateur background, and point being, he had IT. He had everything you wanted in a main eventer and then some. Plus he looked like a bad ass. Roman Reigns, I think he's cool, but he's 5'11'' and has a pudgy build. You can't compare the two really. You can make the argument Lesnar is a once in a lifetime wrestler, they don't make guys like him anymore.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 8, 2014 10:02:51 GMT -5
Here's a solution (although it may not work). Turn Bryan heel when and if he returns and put him in the main event against Reigns. Bryan would not be losing a spot and he is skilled and talented enough to not expose Reigns. Yes people would absolutely love it no they won't.They want cheer Bryan,not even only the "smarks". Marks and Smarks alike want to cheer Bryan,and to try make him the bad guy would backfire on Reigns.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 8, 2014 10:08:12 GMT -5
Here's a solution (although it may not work). Turn Bryan heel when and if he returns and put him in the main event against Reigns. Bryan would not be losing a spot and he is skilled and talented enough to not expose Reigns. Yes people would absolutely love it no they won't.They want cheer Bryan,not even only the "smarks". Marks and Smarks alike want to cheer Bryan,and to try make him the bad guy would backfire on Reigns. Which is why I added that little caveat.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 8, 2014 10:25:08 GMT -5
They'll keep doing it until he shits the bed in a big singles match. WWE may be stubborn, but they don't want a turd of a match to headline WrestleMania.
Then again, they'll probably just find a way to put the title on the line in a six man tag.
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