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Post by MGH on Jul 11, 2014 7:58:30 GMT -5
According to Chris Broussard in a piece just up on ESPN.com, the big hold up is all thanks to Gilbert's infamous letter four years ago and LeBron genuinely doesn't know if he can play for him again. If that letter was never written, "this was done a long time ago" according to a source.
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Post by Muskrat on Jul 11, 2014 8:53:15 GMT -5
According to Chris Broussard in a piece just up on ESPN.com, the big hold up is all thanks to Gilbert's infamous letter four years ago and LeBron genuinely doesn't know if he can play for him again. If that letter was never written, "this was done a long time ago" according to a source. I'm can't help but laugh at the fact that that letter could cost them the Prodigal Son returning. How does Cleveland react to this? Do they call for Gilbert's head, or flip it and start calling LBJ a sensitive bitch, and a pussy etc?
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Post by Rican on Jul 11, 2014 8:55:38 GMT -5
Dan Gilbert gonna be the first inductee into the LeBron James Kiss My Ass club
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 8:58:25 GMT -5
LeBron has revealed that he believes he should replace Bill Russel in history via the technology discovered by Doc & Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future.
Journalists and scientists are apparently baffled. Cleveland fans however, agree wholeheartedly.
More on this at 10.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 9:04:19 GMT -5
My reaction is now this: Wake me up when something happens. 'Til then, I'm tired of this ridiculous waiting game
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 11, 2014 9:08:22 GMT -5
According to Chris Broussard in a piece just up on ESPN.com, the big hold up is all thanks to Gilbert's infamous letter four years ago and LeBron genuinely doesn't know if he can play for him again. If that letter was never written, "this was done a long time ago" according to a source. I'm can't help but laugh at the fact that that letter could cost them the Prodigal Son returning. How does Cleveland react to this? Do they call for Gilbert's head, or flip it and start calling LBJ a sensitive bitch, and a pussy etc? They're sports fans. They'll do both, and the thought will never cross their mind to do one or the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 9:10:46 GMT -5
So let's see:
LeBron is the first NBA superstar in history to win his first title due to leaving the team that drafted him in order to join two other stars. Shaq joined the Lakers before Kobe's rookie season, so it's not the same, but otherwise that's the closest comparison.
Now, seeing as Wade is 33 on the decline and the Heat's window is closed, he will leave to join a younger star (Irving) and potentially a 2nd star if the rumored Wiggins/Love deal happens after LBJ signs. No loyalty to the men who orchestrated his ring chasing (Wade and Riley).
Why is this man celebrated? He is the best player of his generation but continually takes short cuts in order to win and treats free agency as his own personal circle jerk. The best player in the world was a ring chaser in his mid-20's. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to be a fan of his, or why I am supposed to be happy for Cleveland if they get him back after "conveniently" winning 3 out of 4 draft lotteries since he left.
Maybe that's just me.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 11, 2014 9:28:18 GMT -5
So let's see: LeBron is the first NBA superstar in history to win his first title due to leaving the team that drafted him in order to join two other stars. Shaq joined the Lakers before Kobe's rookie season, so it's not the same, but otherwise that's the closest comparison. Well there was that Kevin Garnett guy, and Ray Allen who did it a couple years before LeBron. Kareem and Wilt forced trades to the Lakers, granted it wasn't their first title. LeBron left a team with a front office that didn't know shit. He gave them years to put a team around him, and they couldn't do a damn thing right. He carried the Cavs to the Finals in 2007, where it was him vs the Spurs (like it was in these Finals). He constantly had horrible help. The best player he had as a 2 guy was either Mo Williams or a shell of his former self Shaq. LeBron can't win the title by himself, nobody can. Jordan had a lot of help, as did Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Olajuwon, Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kobe, Shaq, Rodman, Duncan, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 9:38:36 GMT -5
So let's see: LeBron is the first NBA superstar in history to win his first title due to leaving the team that drafted him in order to join two other stars. Shaq joined the Lakers before Kobe's rookie season, so it's not the same, but otherwise that's the closest comparison. Well there was that Kevin Garnett guy, and Ray Allen who did it a couple years before LeBron. Kareem and Wilt forced trades to the Lakers, granted it wasn't their first title. LeBron left a team with a front office that didn't know shit. He gave them years to put a team around him, and they couldn't do a damn thing right. He carried the Cavs to the Finals in 2007, where it was him vs the Spurs (like it was in these Finals). He constantly had horrible help. The best player he had as a 2 guy was either Mo Williams or a shell of his former self Shaq. LeBron can't win the title by himself, nobody can. Jordan had a lot of help, as did Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Olajuwon, Magic, Bird, Isiah, Kobe, Shaq, Rodman, Duncan, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen. You raise some valid points. Especially about Cleveland's front office. However, I've always maintained it was the *way* he left. I'm talking about colluding with Bosh and Wade during the ('08?) Olympics. That's what made 'The decision' even worse in my eyes. He knew he was leaving long before that night in 2010. The whole hourlong TV special hooplah was an unecessary ego stroke and a much talked about kick in the nads to Cleveland fans. He wanted leave? Fine, that's completely within his rights. Just shouldn't have been a complete dick about it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 9:40:06 GMT -5
And to add to Conebone's point about Cleveland winning the draft: That whole thing reeks and I know it's not an easy fix, but something should be done. You shouldn't be rewarded for being completely incompotent/taking several consecutive seasons
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 9:41:03 GMT -5
So let's see: LeBron is the first NBA superstar in history to win his first title due to leaving the team that drafted him in order to join two other stars. Shaq joined the Lakers before Kobe's rookie season, so it's not the same, but otherwise that's the closest comparison. Well there was that Kevin Garnett guy, and Ray Allen who did it a couple years before LeBron. Kareem and Wilt forced trades to the Lakers, granted it wasn't their first title. Kareem and Wilt won before leaving. They didn't leave to win their first. Garnett and Ray Allen were traded to Boston. That required the celtics to give up talent in order to get them. Not quite the same as leaving as free agents. Plus, Allen and KG were towards the end of their primes, not smack dab in the middle of it. Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc, all won titles with the team that drafted them. They didn't leave to join super teams and completely destroy any parity in the league. They stuck it out, and their teams were able to draft or acquire the pieces to go around them. I'm not denying that Cleveland had terrible management, but that doesn't change what happened. If Jordan won his first ring by joining a stacked Lakers team, he wouldn't be viewed as highly as he is now (IMO). That's the bed James made for himself.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 11, 2014 9:41:41 GMT -5
And to add to Conebone's point about Cleveland winning the draft: That whole thing reeks and I know it's not an easy fix, but something should be done. You shouldn't be rewarded for being completely incompotent/taking several consecutive seasons Can it really be called winning the draft when you take Anthony Bennett? Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Isiah, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc, all won titles with the team that drafted them. They didn't leave to join super teams and completely destroy any parity in the league. They stuck it out, and their teams were able to draft or acquire the pieces to go around them. I'm not denying that Cleveland had terrible management, but that doesn't change what happened. If Jordan won his first ring by joining a stacked Lakers team, he wouldn't be viewed as highly as he is now (IMO). That's the bed James made for himself. Dirk and Kobe were drafted by different teams. In Kobe's case he flat out refused to play for the Hornets, despite Kobe's claim that the Hornets didn't believe in him. And in only the 70s was their parity in the NBA, every other decade the same teams have won the NBA Title. The horrible front office IMO does change what happened. LeBron wasn't winning a title in Cleveland, so he went somewhere where he'd win a title. He took a paycut for it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 11, 2014 9:47:21 GMT -5
And to add to Conebone's point about Cleveland winning the draft: That whole thing reeks and I know it's not an easy fix, but something should be done. You shouldn't be rewarded for being completely incompotent/taking several consecutive seasons Can it really be called winning the draft when you take Anthony Bennett? Perhaps not. But it just kinda sucks that Cleveland wins 3 out of 4 despite the odds of that being something like .0000006152% I'm no conspiracy nut, but would anyone out there put it past the NBA to pull a "sorry Lebron left, here's another chance to go from awful to mediocre" fix
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 9:48:01 GMT -5
And to add to Conebone's point about Cleveland winning the draft: That whole thing reeks and I know it's not an easy fix, but something should be done. You shouldn't be rewarded for being completely incompotent/taking several consecutive seasons If the draft lottery is not rigged, then the odds of winning the lottery 3 times in 4 years despite only having the worst record once is astronomically low. Vince McMahon couldn't book an angle that unrealistic without eyes rolling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 9:59:01 GMT -5
Dirk and Kobe were drafted by different teams. In Kobe's case he flat out refused to play for the Hornets, despite Kobe's claim that the Hornets didn't believe in him. A draft day trade is when both teams know who they want and draft players on the other team's request in order to facilitate the transaction. So while it is technically a trade, it's the equivalent of being drafted by that team. I don't consider Kobe a Hornets draft pick, and i bet nether do the Hornets. The NBA is a superstar driven league. Only a handful of teams have a chance every year because of that. However, when you take the best player and team him with a top 5-10 player (depending on where you want to slot Wade from 2010-2014) and another top 20 player (Bosh), that stacks the odds heavily in one favor, and weakens the rest of the league. Only the teams that draft Hall of Famers win championships, that's why there are so few NBA teams with titles. LeBron took the easiest route to a title that any star can take.
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Post by MGH on Jul 11, 2014 10:04:52 GMT -5
What about Miami's past four years has appeared easy, exactly? They lost in year one, nearly lost in year two to the Celtics, should have lost in year three to the Spurs, and got demolished in year four. They thought it was going to be easy. It wasn't. To say it was is flat out incorrect.
Anyway, back to the decision:
@samamicofso Told reports of Dan Gilbert's old letter to LeBron has never been relayed to Cavs as possible sticking point. So reports are news to them. Cavs adamant about letter report. Saying absolutely nothing has led them to believe it's an issue that'd be a deal-breaker. Cavs believe today's reports of Dan Gilbert's letter is someone attempting to make their situation more difficult, I'm told.
@wojyahoonba Dwyane Wade left cross-country flight with LeBron James to Miami still unsure of which way James is leaning, sources tell Yahoo Sports.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 11, 2014 10:08:09 GMT -5
Lebron is announcing that he has signed for the WWE and that he is coming for John Cena, n***a.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 10:13:26 GMT -5
What about Miami's past four years has appeared easy, exactly? They lost in year one, nearly lost in year two to the Celtics, should have lost in year three to the Spurs, and got demolished in year four. They thought it was going to be easy. It wasn't. To say it was is flat out incorrect. That's like saying Jordan's Bulls were in danger because they lost a few games in a series or won close games instead of blowouts. The Heat were never going to blow everyone out of the building or even win every year. They were just going to make the Finals every year because the talent was too lopsided in their favor. That's the way the league works. It always has. Nothing will change that. The Celtics won a title and then lost a Finals series they could have won. That doesn't mean pairing three stars together (albeit in a much more organic way) didn't make life easier for them. Do people actually believe the Heat were in any danger of not making the Finals every year? Seriously? The two times they lost in the Finals were to teams led by HOF talent. It happens.
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Post by Sparkybob on Jul 11, 2014 10:14:36 GMT -5
Lebron is announcing that he has signed for the WWE and that he is coming for John Cena, n****. "WWE you think you have a race problem? Nah son you'll have a Lebron problem when I kick Cena's ass and become your WWE Champion."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2014 10:27:47 GMT -5
Hopefully LeBron makes his decision soon. Miami fans need to know which team to root for next season.
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