Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jul 22, 2014 17:04:07 GMT -5
I still say they shoujd have brought Jimmy Hart in for a short nostalgia run as they're manager. He'd boast about managing the original Hart Foubdation to tag team gold and say he was going to do the same with the newest generation of Harts. Dynasty goes on a short tear, wins the belts-and then turn on him and best him down, call him old, out of date, etc. and just act like ungrateful brats.
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Post by 4real on Jul 22, 2014 19:09:18 GMT -5
Their feud with The Uso's when The Uso's came in was pretty terrible, Uso's weren't over at all at that point. After that it was pretty much downhill from there.
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Professor Chaos
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jul 22, 2014 19:37:17 GMT -5
I really liked them. It went from can't miss to missing the dart board entirely.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 22, 2014 19:48:33 GMT -5
No, but Kidd is probably still the blandest dude on the roster... FACT! I think his new character on NXT does a lot to bring out a more interesting side of Tyson. He carries a sort of swagger with him and does the little things right with every interaction he has with either his wife or his opponents. It has to be better than some of the other guys on the roster. I mean, most of the international guys' gimmick is just "I AM FROM THAT COUNTRY!", at least Tyson has moved on from being "I AM CANADIAN AND KIND OF CLOSE TO BEING A HART!"
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Jul 22, 2014 20:57:26 GMT -5
It's what happens when you have a tag team stuck in a time where tag teams were hardly ever thought of as cool or exciting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 20:58:46 GMT -5
I found them boring and they were essentially the Nattie gimmick of "we're related to Bret!" in tag team form. Good wrestlers though.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Jul 22, 2014 21:04:28 GMT -5
I may have my timeline screwed up... but I seem to think they came in as heels, which kinda screwed with the crowd... as you heard the familiar screech of Bret's theme, then it seques into their own... so the crowd wanted to cheer, but then they saw three people they didn't know... and were told to boo.
Then, the whole breakthrough with having Bret appear on RAW for the first time kinda made it so the Harts HAD to turn face.... and then, WWE started their whole "Check it out! We're still cool with Bret!" thing and brought him out way too often... and every time it seemed like the Harts were supposed to play all surprised like they didn't know he was there, much less had never met him before.
At that point in time, there was really no interest left in them... they were related to Bret, and that's all they were allowed to be. They were saddled with an identity that wasn't their own, then they were given someone else's coattails to ride on who wasn't even an active wrestler. Regardless of who you're related to, if that's your entire gimmick... you're only going to go so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 21:12:22 GMT -5
Because, back then, The Shield didn't exist.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 22, 2014 23:39:18 GMT -5
The Usos also originally had terrible production music for their theme that was really soft. Ah yes, the Vaseline commercial theme. Completely forgot about that. Its just hilarious to see how their original gimmick was against being stereotypical Samoans, now they have become what they had originally campaigned against. Maybe not as drastic as having bones in their head, but the chanting, tongue sticking and chanting. So savage! That isn't being a "stereotypical Samoan savage". That's acknowledging their heritage.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 23, 2014 0:18:05 GMT -5
Ah yes, the Vaseline commercial theme. Completely forgot about that. Its just hilarious to see how their original gimmick was against being stereotypical Samoans, now they have become what they had originally campaigned against. Maybe not as drastic as having bones in their head, but the chanting, tongue sticking and chanting. So savage! That isn't being a "stereotypical Samoan savage". That's acknowledging their heritage. I was going to say this. The Siva Tau is a tradition among Samoan athletes, not an example of stereotypical Samoan savagery. The stereotypical Samoans in wrestling have been barefoot savages who can only speak in grunts and howls. The Usos are as far removed from that as you can get.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Jul 23, 2014 0:26:43 GMT -5
I don't think any of the tag teams were over at that time, given how obvious it was that WWE cared so little about the division.
It wasn't just a Hart Dynasty thing.
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Post by berlynwright on Jul 23, 2014 0:52:28 GMT -5
beyond his wrestling skills, Bret was also very charismatic. i know some will disagree.
crowd did care about Bret, that's why the original hart foundation was a huge success.
people just didn't care about Smith, Kidd or Natalya
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Post by benstudd on Jul 23, 2014 1:15:02 GMT -5
Cause they were nothing special.
I like Harry as a wrestler but he just doesn't fit in the WWE. They like big personalities and them trying to make him heel for him to find one, didn't work. They are trying the same thing with Joe Hennig right now and he looks so foolish when he's trying to be overbadass.
Harry would have worked in a place the NWA back in the day but that doesn't exist anymore.
And please stop trying to justify it with "it was cause there was no tag team division". When someone is over Vince will end up pushing him/them no matter type of thing he/they do. (unless you're Ziggler)
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Post by Lardlad on Aug 5, 2014 12:29:27 GMT -5
I may have my timeline screwed up... but I seem to think they came in as heels, which kinda screwed with the crowd... as you heard the familiar screech of Bret's theme, then it seques into their own... so the crowd wanted to cheer, but then they saw three people they didn't know... and were told to boo. I thought the way they came in was pretty decent and couldn't understand why the crowd didn't get behind it.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 5, 2014 13:01:36 GMT -5
Didn't they sit in on commentary once and Awful Heel Cole just tore them to shreds and they just sat there and took it?
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 5, 2014 13:01:55 GMT -5
The Usos are more entertaining than they were and have more about them, plus Harry Smith was still VERY green at the time compared how good he is now in New Japan. I didn't know he still wrestled. Good to hear. It's funny to hear anyone say the Usos are more entertaining, considering the reactions they got upon their debut. Sometimes getting over just takes time, I guess. Well they, stupidly, were pushed as heels when they arrived. Also the horribly generic music that doesn't work without that Battle cry dance that they do now.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Aug 5, 2014 13:06:01 GMT -5
Combination of an extremely poor tag team division at the time and Smith & Kidd just not being particularly interesting.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 5, 2014 13:08:53 GMT -5
Trying to revive a 1980's idea when their target demo wasn't even alive in the 1980s couldn't have helped.
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The Sam
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Post by The Sam on Aug 5, 2014 13:23:53 GMT -5
Not enough Teddy Hart and his moonsaulting cat.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Aug 5, 2014 13:25:23 GMT -5
The Usos, to be frank, got as far as they did as a team because you can't split up a tag team of twins.
WWE wanted to see if Tyson Kidd could be a singles guy while also getting over another generic hoss, and then split him up from a tag team that was honestly not doing badly.
The lack of competition was also a factor - the Hart Dynasty had nothing, NOTHING, in terms of opponents. It's hard to sustain excitement when that's the case. Add in that they were coming in at the tail end of the era where tag teams were getting regularly squashed by singles main eventers, generally bad booking, and an overall lack of focus on the tag team division, and yeah, WWE was going into "split them up because always split tag teams" mentality.
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