mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jul 27, 2014 15:10:04 GMT -5
Let's get back on track, guys. You can't really compare the Rock and Austin to the way they write their faces today, and my original post was talking about the types of babyfaces that POST-90s Vince tends to create. I'll grant you something: I don't look back fondly on the Attitude Era in WWF. I watched most of it in 1998, some of 1999, then got totally turned off by it and bored by a lot of it, and much of that stemmed from my boredom with Rock and Austin, so I'm really in no way a fanboy of either from this period (though I friggin' love "Stunning Steve" from WCW). Nevertheless, both guys got very popular due to being something new, and because they went the "turn your own personality up" route, they weren't usually coming off as "phony" in a major way. Austin was the right guy in the right era since he was more of an antihero than anything else, while Rock's charisma, even if him repeating the same promo week after week annoyed me to the point that I quit watching, still made him impossible to ignore for most fans. Since then, Vince has apparently wanted every face to be the Rock or Steve Austin, to results ranging from "disastrous" all the way up to "meh". still there's a lot of complaints when the current crop don't do something Austin or Rock would have done. Of course there's also a lot of complaints when they do act like them. fandom's as divided as everything else these days and the unhappy people are louder than the happy ones
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Post by BRAINFADE on Jul 27, 2014 15:12:18 GMT -5
Because a 6'1, 250 pound man couldn't safely prevent a woman 100 pounds lighter than him from kissing him. Realizing something is a mistake afterwards =/= not willingly participating in it at the time. He had his arms around her and was reciprocating everything, the video shows it plain as day. wow, so he was actually supposed to physically stop her from doing that? I can't believe that wouldn't be considered WORSE than what did happen This is getting downright embarrassing now.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 15:22:48 GMT -5
Bret/Bulldog, Savage/Warrior, Cactus/HHH are also great defeated hero moments.
Flair/HBK as well.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 15:25:46 GMT -5
Or hell, HHH/Taker II worked with all 3 weary.guys on the ramp.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 27, 2014 15:26:50 GMT -5
Let's get back on track, guys. You can't really compare the Rock and Austin to the way they write their faces today, and my original post was talking about the types of babyfaces that POST-90s Vince tends to create. I'll grant you something: I don't look back fondly on the Attitude Era in WWF. I watched most of it in 1998, some of 1999, then got totally turned off by it and bored by a lot of it, and much of that stemmed from my boredom with Rock and Austin, so I'm really in no way a fanboy of either from this period (though I friggin' love "Stunning Steve" from WCW). Nevertheless, both guys got very popular due to being something new, and because they went the "turn your own personality up" route, they weren't usually coming off as "phony" in a major way. Austin was the right guy in the right era since he was more of an antihero than anything else, while Rock's charisma, even if him repeating the same promo week after week annoyed me to the point that I quit watching, still made him impossible to ignore for most fans. Since then, Vince has apparently wanted every face to be the Rock or Steve Austin, to results ranging from "disastrous" all the way up to "meh". still there's a lot of complaints when the current crop don't do something Austin or Rock would have done. Of course there's also a lot of complaints when they do act like them. fandom's as divided as everything else these days and the unhappy people are louder than the happy ones I don't think it's that hard to follow: Austin and Rock acted like antiheroes a lot in an era where fans were clamoring for that trope, both played it naturally and well, but both still sold beatings, sold threats, and sold that it gutted them whenever they lost a big match. Juxtapose that with the current methodologies, and it's too much trying to force square pegs into round holes and not making anything feel like it has consequences. If they want Cena and guys like him to work better, they'd be better off taking notes from the Rock n' Wrestling era, not the Attitude era.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Jul 27, 2014 16:20:06 GMT -5
Bret/Bulldog, Savage/Warrior, Cactus/HHH are also great defeated hero moments. Flair/HBK as well. two of the four are hero versus hero though and require the victor giving support to the loser, and one was a defeated villain becoming a hero again
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 27, 2014 17:09:02 GMT -5
Bret/Bulldog, Savage/Warrior, Cactus/HHH are also great defeated hero moments. Flair/HBK as well. two of the four are hero versus hero though and require the victor giving support to the loser, and one was a defeated villain becoming a hero again Yes, and that's why they worked when HHH's attempt didn't. A wrestler who's spent most of his career playing a vile heel, with unlimited kayfabe power, cannot be a noble hero or underdog to be given sympathy by the masses.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 17:14:15 GMT -5
Wow. I never thought anyone would actually defend Cena's kayfabe actions with Eve.
He clearly reciprocated the kiss, to the point where the following week the company had Eve start the show by turning heel with no real build-up for it (with the camera about a foot away from her) and then had Cena humiliate her in the ring to save face. It was one of the most nonsensical booking moves I have seen in a long time.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jul 27, 2014 18:32:02 GMT -5
I had completely forgotten what this thread was about until the last couple posts.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 18:36:20 GMT -5
This thread:
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 27, 2014 18:51:47 GMT -5
As an aside, Eve's acting was horrendous
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 19:42:38 GMT -5
Wow. I never thought anyone would actually defend Cena's kayfabe actions with Eve. He clearly reciprocated the kiss, to the point where the following week the company had Eve start the show by turning heel with no real build-up for it (with the camera about a foot away from her) and then had Cena humiliate her in the ring to save face. It was one of the most nonsensical booking moves I have seen in a long time. That and he only showed any regret when he saw Ryder. Before that he was just like "WHOA MY FIRST KISS WITH THIS LADY." I can't believe this is still being debated.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jul 27, 2014 19:53:10 GMT -5
As an aside, Eve's acting was horrendous Cena's douche-face almost makes up for it...almost.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 19:56:57 GMT -5
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jul 27, 2014 20:06:09 GMT -5
I just love how this hurt his ego so much that he actually had to call himself "THE ASSKICKER" a bunch of times when he came back.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 20:07:26 GMT -5
I just love how this hurt his ego so much that he actually had to call himself "THE ASSKICKER" a bunch of times when he came back.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jul 27, 2014 20:13:37 GMT -5
*walks into thread* ... *walks back out*
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 27, 2014 20:17:29 GMT -5
*walks into thread* ... *walks back out* Totally read it like: What's Bo-in on...
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Post by Jiren on Jul 27, 2014 20:20:29 GMT -5
I just love how this hurt his ego so much that he actually had to call himself "THE ASSKICKER" a bunch of times when he came back. I remember that "The ultimate asskicker is BACK!!"
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Post by segaz on Jul 28, 2014 12:55:23 GMT -5
Brock always needs to lose. "I'll take 'Has no concept of the wrestling business' for $100, Alex." Ha ha! I love this! Do you have other snappy comebacks in other threads towards this guy?
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