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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 24, 2014 17:25:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't throw a parade just yet if I'm TNA. WGN America is quick to cancel a show if they don't meet the requirements of the contract. TNA's current 0.8-0.9 won't be good enough to avoid cancellation. Especially knowing that TNA loves to under deliver on promises. Plus I don't see how TNA fits into WGN America's new current format of cops shows and pay cable lite programming like Manhattan. Some of TNA's roster has law experience
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 24, 2014 18:10:50 GMT -5
I wouldn't throw a parade just yet if I'm TNA. WGN America is quick to cancel a show if they don't meet the requirements of the contract. TNA's current 0.8-0.9 won't be good enough to avoid cancellation. Especially knowing that TNA loves to under deliver on promises. Plus I don't see how TNA fits into WGN America's new current format of cops shows and pay cable lite programming like Manhattan. Some of TNA's roster has law experience Yeah but as the defendant.
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Post by DASH 243✅ on Sept 24, 2014 19:18:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't throw a parade just yet if I'm TNA. WGN America is quick to cancel a show if they don't meet the requirements of the contract. TNA's current 0.8-0.9 won't be good enough to avoid cancellation. Especially knowing that TNA loves to under deliver on promises. Plus I don't see how TNA fits into WGN America's new current format of cops shows and pay cable lite programming like Manhattan. Some of TNA's roster has law experience you going to trust joseph park to write up a contract?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2014 19:51:14 GMT -5
So some rumours are floating about that TNA have reached a deal with WGN America. Looking for something more concrete on this. Most I've seen is that Dixie called a talent meeting during the Bethlehem taping and that reportedly there is a great feeling TNA will have a new home January 7th. There are 2 other networks negotiating besides WGN and Velocity.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 25, 2014 7:26:58 GMT -5
If they get a new network deal, that's at least a temporary respite for them. TNA continues for a bit longer. They could see if they could get fortunate and a better door would open up. They're still in the game.
It's only temporary because you'd have to believe they're getting paid a lot less than with Spike, their tv audience will be smaller and they've already had to let go of a lot of wrestlers and production people. The damage has been done and then some.
Total best case scenario, TNA has been put back several years and will need years to get back. Worst case, no need to explain that.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2014 8:31:02 GMT -5
If they get a new network deal, that's at least a temporary respite for them. TNA continues for a bit longer. They could see if they could get fortunate and a better door would open up. They're still in the game. It's only temporary because you'd have to believe they're getting paid a lot less than with Spike, their tv audience will be smaller and they've already had to let go of a lot of wrestlers and production people. The damage has been done and then some. Total best case scenario, TNA has been put back several years and will need years to get back. Worst case, no need to explain that. There is that concern, but a big thing in the last year or so is that Dixie's parents have put a stop on TNA spending a lot of money. If they get a new station, and they actually have a plan in place unlike when they decided to tour, even with a smaller national audience they will be fine... that is if TNA actually promotes themselves as well. But having national tv is still huge for them and will keep them a viable option for indy guys if they rework their deals to be what they used to be. Twitter rumor states that CMT is one of the other stations TNA is negotiating with.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 25, 2014 9:51:13 GMT -5
If they get a new network deal, that's at least a temporary respite for them. TNA continues for a bit longer. They could see if they could get fortunate and a better door would open up. They're still in the game. It's only temporary because you'd have to believe they're getting paid a lot less than with Spike, their tv audience will be smaller and they've already had to let go of a lot of wrestlers and production people. The damage has been done and then some. Total best case scenario, TNA has been put back several years and will need years to get back. Worst case, no need to explain that. There is that concern, but a big thing in the last year or so is that Dixie's parents have put a stop on TNA spending a lot of money. If they get a new station, and they actually have a plan in place unlike when they decided to tour, even with a smaller national audience they will be fine... that is if TNA actually promotes themselves as well. But having national tv is still huge for them and will keep them a viable option for indy guys if they rework their deals to be what they used to be. Twitter rumor states that CMT is one of the other stations TNA is negotiating with. I don't see TNA getting the glory days of 2005-2009 in terms of becoming an indy wrestler destination. They are considered career poison while you're there. They might pick up a person here and there like Havok and Tigre Uno but more than likely it will be the usual subjects like Sonjay, Low Ki, and Homicide. Also these stories of TNA talking to different networks just proves the TMZ original story of Spike cancelling Impact true.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2014 10:14:17 GMT -5
There is that concern, but a big thing in the last year or so is that Dixie's parents have put a stop on TNA spending a lot of money. If they get a new station, and they actually have a plan in place unlike when they decided to tour, even with a smaller national audience they will be fine... that is if TNA actually promotes themselves as well. But having national tv is still huge for them and will keep them a viable option for indy guys if they rework their deals to be what they used to be. Twitter rumor states that CMT is one of the other stations TNA is negotiating with. I don't see TNA getting the glory days of 2005-2009 in terms of becoming an indy wrestler destination. They are considered career poison while you're there. They might pick up a person here and there like Havok and Tigre Uno but more than likely it will be the usual subjects like Sonjay, Low Ki, and Homicide. Also these stories of TNA talking to different networks just proves the TMZ original story of Spike cancelling Impact true. true, but I still think they can become a destination for some indy. I think you and I both watch enough indy wrestling to know there's enough talent out there that TNA (if it survives) could find enough talent to put a nice roster together. I mean I've heard it confirmed by people close that El Generico and Sami Callihan were both ready to sign with TNA but when WWE felt feelers out they decided to give that a go instead.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 25, 2014 10:23:12 GMT -5
I don't see TNA getting the glory days of 2005-2009 in terms of becoming an indy wrestler destination. They are considered career poison while you're there. They might pick up a person here and there like Havok and Tigre Uno but more than likely it will be the usual subjects like Sonjay, Low Ki, and Homicide. Also these stories of TNA talking to different networks just proves the TMZ original story of Spike cancelling Impact true. true, but I still think they can become a destination for some indy. I think you and I both watch enough indy wrestling to know there's enough talent out there that TNA (if it survives) could find enough talent to put a nice roster together. I mean I've heard it confirmed by people close that El Generico and Sami Callihan were both ready to sign with TNA but when WWE felt feelers out they decided to give that a go instead. That would require actual scouting which means watching hours and hours of dvds and Youtube vids of indy wrestlers instead of WWE programming and trying to pick up folks from ROH. There are tons of talented people out there who are undiscovered. They need to do a better job because they went from having a roster of can't miss prospects to Crazzy Steve.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 25, 2014 11:07:40 GMT -5
true, but I still think they can become a destination for some indy. I think you and I both watch enough indy wrestling to know there's enough talent out there that TNA (if it survives) could find enough talent to put a nice roster together. I mean I've heard it confirmed by people close that El Generico and Sami Callihan were both ready to sign with TNA but when WWE felt feelers out they decided to give that a go instead. That would require actual scouting which means watching hours and hours of dvds and Youtube vids of indy wrestlers instead of WWE programming and trying to pick up folks from ROH. There are tons of talented people out there who are undiscovered. They need to do a better job because they went from having a roster of can't miss prospects to Crazzy Steve. I don't find Crazzy Steve bad compared to a lot of the people TNA brought on TV for Gutcheck (which in most cases were either Team 3D students or OVW students), but that is a valid point. But if TNA keeps going, is it that hard for them to send feelers out to some of the New York guys or Carolina guys that don't get a lot of attention.
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Post by domrep on Sept 25, 2014 11:27:57 GMT -5
Only thing I found was the guy from the Wonder Years was at WGN America's office and tweeted a photo. I'm trying to find what the average rating is for shows on WGN America. It seems like it's around the 1.5 million viewer mark which TNA can hit consistently with better programming and marketing. It doesn't reach as many homes though....IDK....it sounds like a good station to be on?
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 25, 2014 11:51:25 GMT -5
Only thing I found was the guy from the Wonder Years was at WGN America's office and tweeted a photo. I'm trying to find what the average rating is for shows on WGN America. It seems like it's around the 1.5 million viewer mark which TNA can hit consistently with better programming and marketing. It doesn't reach as many homes though....IDK....it sounds like a good station to be on? WGN America is in about 25million less homes than Spike is. I don't see them magically raising viewership 300K plus when they are losing 25 million eyeballs.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Sept 25, 2014 12:43:29 GMT -5
Only thing I found was the guy from the Wonder Years was at WGN America's office and tweeted a photo. I'm trying to find what the average rating is for shows on WGN America. It seems like it's around the 1.5 million viewer mark which TNA can hit consistently with better programming and marketing. It doesn't reach as many homes though....IDK....it sounds like a good station to be on? Its a downgrade. No other way to put it. Its basically a stay of execution at this point provided the deal goes through. As its been pointed out, WGN is in far less homes than Spike. Viacom owns Spike which has better saturation and most importantly, are much better financially and could help bankroll TNA's production costs. The important thing for TNA is time slot. If they get a weeknight like they do now, I imagine they can last a few more years on there, but they'll get pre-empted for sporting events as WGN-A shows Cubs, White Sox, and Bulls games nationwide and when that happens, TNA won't be shown until the weekend afternoons which is a terrible timeslot. Just having a TV deal is important for TNA right now, so its not a bad thing, but its far from optimal and does not guarantee them anything. Spike was better for them simply because of the amount of homes that get the channel. The same 1.5 million that are watching Law and Order or How I Met Your Mother re-runs aren't the same audience that will watch TNA (of course some will).
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Post by domrep on Sept 25, 2014 12:58:32 GMT -5
Only thing I found was the guy from the Wonder Years was at WGN America's office and tweeted a photo. I'm trying to find what the average rating is for shows on WGN America. It seems like it's around the 1.5 million viewer mark which TNA can hit consistently with better programming and marketing. It doesn't reach as many homes though....IDK....it sounds like a good station to be on? Its a downgrade. No other way to put it. Its basically a stay of execution at this point provided the deal goes through. As its been pointed out, WGN is in far less homes than Spike. Viacom owns Spike which has better saturation and most importantly, are much better financially and could help bankroll TNA's production costs. The important thing for TNA is time slot. If they get a weeknight like they do now, I imagine they can last a few more years on there, but they'll get pre-empted for sporting events as WGN-A shows Cubs, White Sox, and Bulls games nationwide and when that happens, TNA won't be shown until the weekend afternoons which is a terrible timeslot. Just having a TV deal is important for TNA right now, so its not a bad thing, but its far from optimal and does not guarantee them anything. Spike was better for them simply because of the amount of homes that get the channel. The same 1.5 million that are watching Law and Order or How I Met Your Mother re-runs aren't the same audience that will watch TNA (of course some will). WGN is phasing out every sports as of January 2015, but yeah, it sounds like a downgrade. Ah well...
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 25, 2014 13:20:33 GMT -5
I don't care if it's a downgrade as long as TNA is on TV.
As far as production costs go, I don't care if TNA does their shows in a high school gym as long as they have a decent looking set up and the camera, lighting and editing work is solid and professional looking, and that can be done relatively cheaply.
TNA needs to go bare bones and then rebuild from the ground up.
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Post by jagilki on Sept 25, 2014 14:41:24 GMT -5
I don't care if it's a downgrade as long as TNA is on TV. As far as production costs go, I don't care if TNA does their shows in a high school gym as long as they have a decent looking set up and the camera, lighting and editing work is solid and professional looking, and that can be done relatively cheaply. TNA needs to go bare bones and then rebuild from the ground up. Currently their editing is still fairly suspect, as most shows have almost a month time to edit, and they still seem to just edit once and go "good enough".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 16:14:50 GMT -5
If these nimrods actually get on WGN America, I'm guessing that the Carter's are upping Dixie's pony allowance again, because there's no way that they get anywhere near what Spike was paying them.
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Post by Ryushinku on Sept 25, 2014 16:36:33 GMT -5
TV is absolutely crucial for them agreed, even if it's a poorer station. They go dark, that might be it. My point is just that I don't think this WGN deal, if it does happen because we don't know anything for certain yet, doesn't seem like one they can exist on for long.
Not unless they really pare things back and truly adopt a 'top level indy' kind of approach, rather than trying to fight Vince or fill in a WCW/ECW gap or whatever. They'd have to resign to losing their small pool of name stars and really make a go of it with little known but young (and inexpensive) talent desperate for that tv time.
TNA itself is going to have to change to survive. It's not going to be the TNA of recent years anymore. It can't be.
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Post by domrep on Sept 25, 2014 17:47:15 GMT -5
I don't care if it's a downgrade as long as TNA is on TV. As far as production costs go, I don't care if TNA does their shows in a high school gym as long as they have a decent looking set up and the camera, lighting and editing work is solid and professional looking, and that can be done relatively cheaply. TNA needs to go bare bones and then rebuild from the ground up. Currently their editing is still fairly suspect, as most shows have almost a month time to edit, and they still seem to just edit once and go "good enough". This is where anyone with any bookkeeping or accounting background would come in and try to balance their budget as much as they can. They need to run less house shows but run house shows in major markets, go back to being taped and don't bloat the roster with top salaried guys. Let Angle go, maybe even let Bully Ray go. Enough.
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Post by jagilki on Sept 25, 2014 17:54:27 GMT -5
Currently their editing is still fairly suspect, as most shows have almost a month time to edit, and they still seem to just edit once and go "good enough". This is where anyone with any bookkeeping or accounting background would come in and try to balance their budget as much as they can. They need to run less house shows but run house shows in major markets, go back to being taped and don't bloat the roster with top salaried guys. Let Angle go, maybe even let Bully Ray go. Enough. "Back" to being taped? They are currently taping like 2 months of TV at a time, if not MORE.
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