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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 22, 2014 12:12:51 GMT -5
Wilson being injured/attacked by Brown is not at all confirmed. Not sure you can justify what happens in this new video: by all eyewitness accounts the guy was mentally disturbed, clearly saying "shoot me, shoot me!" to the police, and while he was absolutely too close to the cops to not be dealt with, deadly force was still the first choice, which is the most unsettling thing. Not trying to justify their actions, not knowing any more and certainly less than others, but did they have other means on-hand? Just since rubber bullets, beanbags, etc, are fine and dandy but they're really dangerous to be equipped with in a situation like this where people might bring live rounds, especially in a situation where people are very incensed and would just see a weapon fired, anyway and would still jump to conclusions. This whole situation f***ing sucks, either way. I definitely appreciate a cop being in a totally unfair position there; there's no other way to describe it, unstable man with a knife is a few feet away from you and moving erratically, it's not particularly easy to respond well. However, I don't place blame on the cops themselves as much as I do on the standard operating procedures of the department itself. There are other countries where things like this happen; memes are already floating around of German cops handling drunk, angry men wielding knives, or cops in the UK creating a perimeter, observing such a person, and then attempting to defuse the situation before using heavy force or what have you. We don't seem to have that here; this was death within twenty seconds, AND a faulty report that said the unstable man was already in a stance where he was ready to strike (knife-wielding hand over his head), which didn't appear to be true. The cops should've had better procedures to go by, I'd think. I've heard many cops recently talking about how so much of this could be prevented if forces around the country weren't severely cutting back on personnel expenses, including replacing experienced cops with young guys without much education (obviously not the case in every state/municipality, but it's hurting the quality of the prospect pool of future cops). Again, I have a hard time blaming the individuals given the toughness of the situation, but the whole system ain't working at the moment and needs serious reassessing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 22, 2014 12:17:18 GMT -5
The police should release a photo of the cop's face. Then it will be clear whether he was actually injured or not. Doubtful. How would people know if it was actually taken immediately after the incident? And there'd be people disputing the authenticity no matter the date. Some artifacts in the image would convince someone that it's a photoshop/forgery, even if it wasn't. If there was a photograph, it needed to be released ASAP to quell any suspicion. Lots of ways it could be done. The timestamp on the photo, take the photo in front of a rolling news channel with the date/time shown, or with a newspaper etc...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 12:20:24 GMT -5
Doubtful. How would people know if it was actually taken immediately after the incident? And there'd be people disputing the authenticity no matter the date. Some artifacts in the image would convince someone that it's a photoshop/forgery, even if it wasn't. If there was a photograph, it needed to be released ASAP to quell any suspicion. Lots of ways it could be done. The timestamp on the photo, take the photo in front of a rolling news channel with the date/time shown, or with a newspaper etc... The timestamp would be disputed. Everything would be disputed. Now if those things were done right away and the picture was published before the story gained notoriety, that wouldn't really be an issue. But the Ferguson PD have shot themselves in the foot with their constant obfuscation; they're paying for it now. Their credibility right now is minimal, and anything they release that they tout as proof will be heavily scrutinized and stringently doubted.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 22, 2014 12:26:04 GMT -5
They could have the cop simply appear live at a police press conference. He wouldn't need to say anything, but his face would be visible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:03:23 GMT -5
They could have the cop simply appear live at a police press conference. He wouldn't need to say anything, but his face would be visible. Then the claim would be that he had someone beat him up so he'd look like that. Like I said, the credibility of the PD is so shattered that nothing they say will be taken at face value, which is their fault.
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Post by Push R Truth on Aug 22, 2014 14:08:08 GMT -5
They could have the cop simply appear live at a police press conference. He wouldn't need to say anything, but his face would be visible. Then the claim would be that he had someone beat him up so he'd look like that. Like I said, the credibility of the PD is so shattered that nothing they say will be taken at face value, which is their fault. If the cop was hit by a meteor in broad daylight with cameras rolling on live TV; people would still claim it was an inside job to cover up something. I honestly might agree with how odd and twisted this whole thing is getting on every level. It's shocking. Nothing would surprise me.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 22, 2014 14:29:22 GMT -5
Such claims may be made by the crazed, but for the majority of sane people, it would suffice to shed light on what actually happened.
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Post by jagilki on Aug 22, 2014 14:58:18 GMT -5
The incident report is a smurfing disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 15:19:03 GMT -5
Such claims may be made by the crazed, but for the majority of sane people, it would suffice to shed light on what actually happened. This is a country where a significant minority within the electorate believed the President wasn't a US citizen. That's fallen out of favor, but that story got serious airtime on news networks for a long time, even after pretty much indisputable evidence to the contrary. A cop showing up with bruises only now is going to be a lot more suspicious (and is going to be harder to prove now) than some old birth records. There's a lot of people it wouldn't fly with. I don't have a strong opinion on this one way or another, but even I'd be suspicious of a break like that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 22, 2014 18:53:04 GMT -5
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Aug 22, 2014 19:34:10 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 22, 2014 21:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 22, 2014 21:28:35 GMT -5
For all of the undeserved shit Al Jazeera gets, they report things like this better than probably anyone else.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 22, 2014 21:36:54 GMT -5
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