Why do people think bray needed a win over cena at wm30

[ChitownKnight]

Everyone wanted bray to beat cena at Wrestlemania or thought that he needed a win, but why? Cena is the top guy of the company and bray was just a rookie. A bray victory over cena at wrestlemania would have been like mr Kennedy beating the streak in 2007 or something to that effect. How do you know that bray wouldn't flop? And besides I feel like having a match against cena in the grandest stage of them all is kind of a big deal itself.

[Stu]

Beating Cena at Mania is far from ending Undertaker's streak.

[Germansuplex]

OP is right, Wyatt beating Cena would have been ridiculous at that point.

[Hit Girl]

Bray's character prevents him from ever been regarded or acknowledged as just a rookie.

[Hawk Hart]

Because we saw 2014 being a year where he mostly gets made to look stupid as hell and we wanted there to be a bright spot early.

[Derk!]

On the flipside, as protected as he has been, a loss at Wrestlemania would have done no harm to Cena and done wonders for Bray(who thanks to the loss, is still struggling to regain momentum)...

[Abdullah]

He just seems pretty ineffectual after losing the Cena feud. Like, there's even LESS reason to give a shit about his aimless rants.

Bray is a character that needs to be a threat, and honestly, he isn't right now.

[thelonewolf527]

The story at hand to me said Cena had to win. You can't build up a story on John Cena being a piece of shit and how losing was going to completely destroy his legacy and then actually have him lose. Him losing after that was the right move

[Robbymac]

Didn't have a huge problem with Cena winning at Mania, but I think Bray should've won the rubber match at Payback.

[4real]

Cena didn't need the win that's why and the only time Bray beat Cena in their whole feud was a cheap cage match win with tons of interference. I don't think Bray pinned Cena once in their feud did he? Bryan lost clean to Bray, heck WWE sacrificed Reigns to him twice in tag matches but John Cena? O no can't have that.

[Sephiroth]

To me it is not do much that Bray needed to win, as he needed to lose in a way that made him look less pathetic. They actually did a stupendous build to it, portraying Bray as a genuine threat and Ceba actually seeming unsure he could beat him, only for Cena to go over in his usual Superman style. It killed all that momentum Bray built up.

[Hit Girl]

Cena's character is too inflexible for anyone but perhaps HHH, Brock, Undertaker, Rock, etc....to feud with and benefit from

[Blindkarevik]

I don't think Bray needed to beat Cena at Wrestlemania.... but I do think Cena had to lose the fight against his demons. Like, Wyatt keeps goading him and goading him, "Make a difference" referee keeps pleading with John... but at the end, Cena still uses a chair to clock Bray and finally get the win. Then, Cena tortures himself over it until their rematch where Bray wins because Cena is so hesitant to do anything, he basically ends up walking right into Bray's offense. Then the rubber match, Cena finally realizes he wasn't changing who he was, he was being who he needed to be to beat Bray.. wins that match handily and moves on to the next feud. Although Bray still lost twice and the feud overall... he won in a much higher level, he got to John and made him question himself, thus proving that he could shake anyone down to the very core.

What I didn't like about their feud is, Cena just completely thrashed Wyatt every time they faced and the only reason Cena lost in the cage was after tons of Rowan and Harper interference, then random child singing to Cena on the steps. But all the action was Cena completely dominant.... it kinda cheapened Wyatt's win. Granted, he's a heel.. he's SUPPOSED to cheat to win... but the feud with Cena was meant to make him a credible threat. That's why his first loss to Jericho was taken so badly because it seemed like we were repeating the cycle. Summerslam made up for a LOT, because Wyatt won on his own. But it felt more like a win to repair his credibility rather than another instance of him getting into a superstar's head and winning the day.

[Sephiroth]

Aug 21, 2014 13:57:29 GMT -5 Blindkarevik said:

I don't think Bray needed to beat Cena at Wrestlemania.... but I do think Cena had to lose the fight against his demons. Like, Wyatt keeps goading him and goading him, "Make a difference" referee keeps pleading with John... but at the end, Cena still uses a chair to clock Bray and finally get the win. Then, Cena tortures himself over it until their rematch where Bray wins because Cena is so hesitant to do anything, he basically ends up walking right into Bray's offense. Then the rubber match, Cena finally realizes he wasn't changing who he was, he was being who he needed to be to beat Bray.. wins that match handily and moves on to the next feud. Although Bray still lost twice and the feud overall... he won in a much higher level, he got to John and made him question himself, thus proving that he could shake anyone down to the very core.

What I didn't like about their feud is, Cena just completely thrashed Wyatt every time they faced and the only reason Cena lost in the cage was after tons of Rowan and Harper interference, then random child singing to Cena on the steps. But all the action was Cena completely dominant.... it kinda cheapened Wyatt's win. Granted, he's a heel.. he's SUPPOSED to cheat to win... but the feud with Cena was meant to make him a credible threat. That's why his first loss to Jericho was taken so badly because it seemed like we were repeating the cycle. Summerslam made up for a LOT, because Wyatt won on his own. But it felt more like a win to repair his credibility rather than another instance of him getting into a superstar's head and winning the day.

Precisely. The example to look to, in my opinion, is the original Undertaker v Kane match. The loss in that match did not hurt Kane as an unstoppable monster at all-because it took everything Undertaker had to beat him and he still barely scraped it out. Thst kind of scenario needed to happen with Cena and Bray.

[Shanman]

People should know that when it comes to Wrestlemania narratives, more often than not it's good that triumphs over evil. It's been the case since the Hulk Hogan days and barring some irregularities that have often been influenced by politics in some instances it's still the case with John Cena. And while it may be a more nuanced result to have Bray win, I know the logic - as a kid I loved seeing Hogan win. It's only in hindsight as an adult that I see that some of those shenanigans sucked.

[RusevIsGod]

I think Braye is a pretty lame monster. He doesn't squash enough guys and he'd be more interesting if he was taller and bigger. his gimmick is really cheesey too.

[Sponsored by Groose Wipes]

Because Bray promos would not have meeting if he did not back them up. Also it's the monster getting beat and now has no where to go problem WWE likes to keep repeating.

[Boo!]

He didn't. But he needed to lose to Jericho like he needed two holes in his ass. To job Cena out to Wyatt wouldn't have made sense as at the time they would have been considering opponents for their new champ. I'd have wagered Bryan vs Cena would've been considered a bigger payday for all concerned than Bryan vs Wyatt.

[Woo]

Aug 21, 2014 13:57:29 GMT -5 Blindkarevik said:

I don't think Bray needed to beat Cena at Wrestlemania.... but I do think Cena had to lose the fight against his demons. Like, Wyatt keeps goading him and goading him, "Make a difference" referee keeps pleading with John... but at the end, Cena still uses a chair to clock Bray and finally get the win. Then, Cena tortures himself over it until their rematch where Bray wins because Cena is so hesitant to do anything, he basically ends up walking right into Bray's offense. Then the rubber match, Cena finally realizes he wasn't changing who he was, he was being who he needed to be to beat Bray.. wins that match handily and moves on to the next feud. Although Bray still lost twice and the feud overall... he won in a much higher level, he got to John and made him question himself, thus proving that he could shake anyone down to the very core.

What I didn't like about their feud is, Cena just completely thrashed Wyatt every time they faced and the only reason Cena lost in the cage was after tons of Rowan and Harper interference, then random child singing to Cena on the steps. But all the action was Cena completely dominant.... it kinda cheapened Wyatt's win. Granted, he's a heel.. he's SUPPOSED to cheat to win... but the feud with Cena was meant to make him a credible threat. That's why his first loss to Jericho was taken so badly because it seemed like we were repeating the cycle. Summerslam made up for a LOT, because Wyatt won on his own. But it felt more like a win to repair his credibility rather than another instance of him getting into a superstar's head and winning the day.

This is exactly right.

He didn't have to win the match, but he had to get the moral victory over John Cena. Had Cena clocked Bray with the chair and won it would still have given John the win, but made Bray out to be an even bigger bad guy in that he had made the WWE's golden boy break his code and have to resort to a chair to vanquish Wyatt. Kind of like what Ra's Al Ghul or the Joker tried to do with Christian Bale's Batman.

It would also have given Cena an interesting storyline for the next half of the year too.

What I don't get about it is that while Cena didn't hit Bray with the chair, he did hit Rowan (I think it was Rowan). How this didn't give the moral victory to Bray I don't understand. After such a fascinating storyline to have Cena jump into the crowd without even selling the toll the match took on him was a minor burial.

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Aug 21, 2014 14:48:28 GMT -5 RusevIsGod said:

I think Braye is a pretty lame monster. He doesn't squash enough guys and he'd be more interesting if he was taller and bigger. his gimmick is really cheesey too.

He doesn't squash enough guys because WWE straight up doesn't think that the wrestlers who could be jobbing to Bray are worthy of being on TV. Also, If Bray were taller and bigger, they probably wouldn't have bothered giving him a gimmick and he'd just be a dumb generic big guy.