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Post by Lance Uppercut on Aug 21, 2014 23:42:53 GMT -5
It's not like they buried or humiliated him over the years. Gave him a lot, paid him well.
Sure it's debatable whether or not it's a dick move to extend his contract every time that he gets injured, but then with all his injuries he probably only wrestled like 6 months total in 3 years.
But yeah, isn't he still injured? Why does he want out so bad? Does he want to wrestle without medical clearance?
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 21, 2014 23:49:41 GMT -5
He wants to wrestle, WWE doesn't want him to. WWE also makes a shit ton of money off of Rey that Rey could get 100% of if he was free and clear.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Aug 21, 2014 23:50:35 GMT -5
I think he basically names his price in AAA and doesn't have to deal with anything close to comparable travel. Plus, he's got a spot at the top of the card locked down.
Not a bad deal for a guy whose body has been beaten up so badly and is about to turn 40.
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 21, 2014 23:50:51 GMT -5
I suspect that he figures his career is effectively over and that there's little point to subjecting his body to the rigours once a year only for some young dumpkopf to botch a move and injure him again. He may be in an Edge predicament but, unlike Edge, they won't let him bow out of WWE completely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:51:13 GMT -5
Ever since his last wellness suspension, there've been a few different stories about him clashing with them. Like when they wouldn't let him attend I think it was a AAA show a few years back.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 22, 2014 0:00:54 GMT -5
I don't see why WWE wouldn't just let him go. He doesn't want to be there. They're cutting costs and Rey probably makes more than all of the Red Endeavoring victims (plus Ricardo and possibly Del Rio) combined. And I assume that since Rey wants out of his contract, that WWE has no obligation to pay his downside (correct me if I'm wrong).
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Aug 22, 2014 0:03:16 GMT -5
I don't see why WWE wouldn't just let him go. He doesn't want to be there. They're cutting costs and Rey probably makes more than all of the Red Endeavoring victims (plus Ricardo and possibly Del Rio) combined. And I assume that since Rey wants out of his contract, that WWE has no obligation to pay his downside (correct me if I'm wrong). That part I don't know. If the WWE, to put it in a pro sports parlance, picked up the "team" option on Rey's deal, then would they not be obligated to go along with the existing framework of his deal (including paying whatever the existing downside was)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 0:08:04 GMT -5
He wants to wrestle, WWE doesn't want him to. WWE also makes a shit ton of money off of Rey that Rey could get 100% of if he was free and clear. Indeed, this here. I feel bad for Rey. Sure his knees are screwed up but he can at least wrestle somehow, change his style up, just something. They're just keeping him on the shelf.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Aug 22, 2014 0:08:19 GMT -5
If they weren't such dicks to him, I'd want WWE to do an angle to write him off.
Now I just want them to release him cause this is cruel and unfair.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 22, 2014 0:40:28 GMT -5
He wants to wrestle, WWE doesn't want him to. WWE also makes a shit ton of money off of Rey that Rey could get 100% of if he was free and clear. Indeed, this here. I feel bad for Rey. Sure his knees are screwed up but he can at least wrestle somehow, change his style up, just something. They're just keeping him on the shelf. I can understand feeling bad about Rey not being able to leave, but feeling bad for him because the WWE won't let him wrestle? That's ridiculous. Mysterio can't even last a few months in a WWE with his already watered down style, without injuring himself. But WWE is somehow the bad guys for not wanting him to end up in a wheelchair on their watch? The WWE are the smart ones for at least realizing that Mysterio's just not physically capable of performing as a wrestler, while AAA are the ones trying to exploit a delusional man that doesn't realize when his time is up.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 22, 2014 0:40:34 GMT -5
I read somewhere else, that he had a handshake deal with Triple H to leave, but Vince resigned him to another year. Off topic but it's funny how when Angle called Vince about returning, Vince told him that Triple H makes all the talent decisions, then he resigns Mysterio, going over Trips's head.
Also if a talent stays out for too long? Do they have to keep paying him?
I think he also got pissed that the wwe tried to put him to pasture with Sin Cara, he even brings it up on his talk is jericho episode, out of nowhere he asks Chris about his opinion of Cara, and buries him a little bit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 1:04:35 GMT -5
Indeed, this here. I feel bad for Rey. Sure his knees are screwed up but he can at least wrestle somehow, change his style up, just something. They're just keeping him on the shelf. I can understand feeling bad about Rey not being able to leave, but feeling bad for him because the WWE won't let him wrestle? That's ridiculous. Mysterio can't even last a few months in a WWE with his already watered down style, without injuring himself. But WWE is somehow the bad guys for not wanting him to end up in a wheelchair on their watch? The WWE are the smart ones for at least realizing that Mysterio's just not physically capable of performing as a wrestler, while AAA are the ones trying to exploit a delusional man that doesn't realize when his time is up. I'm saying I feel bad for Rey not doing anything in general. I mentioned him wrestling but the fact remains that he can do more than that. Spanish announcing, a manager to another superstar, GM, just something that he isn't sitting on the shelf. That's ridiculous.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Aug 22, 2014 1:05:08 GMT -5
Indeed, this here. I feel bad for Rey. Sure his knees are screwed up but he can at least wrestle somehow, change his style up, just something. They're just keeping him on the shelf. I can understand feeling bad about Rey not being able to leave, but feeling bad for him because the WWE won't let him wrestle? That's ridiculous. Mysterio can't even last a few months in a WWE with his already watered down style, without injuring himself. But WWE is somehow the bad guys for not wanting him to end up in a wheelchair on their watch? The WWE are the smart ones for at least realizing that Mysterio's just not physically capable of performing as a wrestler, while AAA are the ones trying to exploit a delusional man that doesn't realize when his time is up. They're the bad guys because they're keeping him prisoner when he doesn't want to be there, throwing away money to keep him under their thumb despite the fact that they're in cost cutting mode, and will likely cut a few jobs to free up the funds necessary for Rey's hefty contract, a contract that he again, wants out of.
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Post by Boo! on Aug 22, 2014 1:16:42 GMT -5
It does seem a bit Orwellian. Maybe recent examples will teach people to read their contracts first. One day someone's going hire a decent lawyer and then they're screwed.
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Post by celticjobber on Aug 22, 2014 1:21:48 GMT -5
Maybe Rey just wants to work with his buddy Konnan again in AAA.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 22, 2014 1:26:37 GMT -5
I don't see why WWE wouldn't just let him go. He doesn't want to be there. They're cutting costs and Rey probably makes more than all of the Red Endeavoring victims (plus Ricardo and possibly Del Rio) combined. And I assume that since Rey wants out of his contract, that WWE has no obligation to pay his downside (correct me if I'm wrong). That part I don't know. If the WWE, to put it in a pro sports parlance, picked up the "team" option on Rey's deal, then would they not be obligated to go along with the existing framework of his deal (including paying whatever the existing downside was)? Merchandise. Rey's always been great at shifting it, and with him sitting at home, all they have to do is pay his downside, which is never a great deal for anyone, and watch the mask/toy/etc. money come in.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Aug 22, 2014 1:27:13 GMT -5
I don't see why WWE wouldn't just let him go. He doesn't want to be there. They're cutting costs and Rey probably makes more than all of the Red Endeavoring victims (plus Ricardo and possibly Del Rio) combined. And I assume that since Rey wants out of his contract, that WWE has no obligation to pay his downside (correct me if I'm wrong). In theory, I think he could buy himself out of his contract. That should cover any losses sans merchandise.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 22, 2014 1:28:39 GMT -5
Few reasons, likely.
While he would sell FAR less merch on his own, he would get a bigger cut if he sold it on his own or with AAA, probably.
Secondly, he wants to wrestle and he wants to be a feature player, neither of which is likely in WWE for him.
Third, he could wrestle while not needing to travel nearly as much if he worked with AAA.
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Post by bluemeii on Aug 22, 2014 1:34:31 GMT -5
I thought he was still hurt with a hand injury or something <shrugs> IDK not a huge Rey fan. I know the whole "suspend belief" thing in wrestling just always had a hard time buying him beating these guys but whatever.
When it comes to his contract though, if I remember what Kevin Nash said about how WWE contracts work is the downside is really low and so are the number of dates and then as you work more it's getting into the "bonus" money. But when it comes to someone being out it's alot lower. Granted for big names I'm sure that downside number is huge but I don't think we're talking millions unless your name is Cena. So if he's still selling merchandise at shows and online, he's probably putting them in the black when you compare contract/sales.
Kinda shitty but hey business is business. Try to be the nice guy all the time, or even better example do the morally correct thing when it is bad business, when you run a business and you'll end up out of business pretty quickly. Everyone knows the contracts they sign when they join WWE, so yeah I feel bad for guys when stuff like this happens, but it can't be a total shock when it does.
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Post by BigWill on Aug 22, 2014 1:37:52 GMT -5
I can understand feeling bad about Rey not being able to leave, but feeling bad for him because the WWE won't let him wrestle? That's ridiculous. Mysterio can't even last a few months in a WWE with his already watered down style, without injuring himself. But WWE is somehow the bad guys for not wanting him to end up in a wheelchair on their watch? The WWE are the smart ones for at least realizing that Mysterio's just not physically capable of performing as a wrestler, while AAA are the ones trying to exploit a delusional man that doesn't realize when his time is up. I'm saying I feel bad for Rey not doing anything in general. I mentioned him wrestling but the fact remains that he can do more than that. Spanish announcing, a manager to another superstar, GM, just something that he isn't sitting on the shelf. That's ridiculous. The WWE probably has already offered Mysterio another position, as they've already had him doing Spanish announcing for a while. The fact that Mysterio is trying to leave to go to AAA means he likely turned down any non-wrestling role WWE offered him, because he thinks he can still go in the ring. I can understand feeling bad about Rey not being able to leave, but feeling bad for him because the WWE won't let him wrestle? That's ridiculous. Mysterio can't even last a few months in a WWE with his already watered down style, without injuring himself. But WWE is somehow the bad guys for not wanting him to end up in a wheelchair on their watch? The WWE are the smart ones for at least realizing that Mysterio's just not physically capable of performing as a wrestler, while AAA are the ones trying to exploit a delusional man that doesn't realize when his time is up. They're the bad guys because they're keeping him prisoner when he doesn't want to be there, throwing away money to keep him under their thumb despite the fact that they're in cost cutting mode, and will likely cut a few jobs to free up the funds necessary for Rey's hefty contract, a contract that he again, wants out of. I already said that I can see why people would be upset at the WWE for not letting him go. I'm saying it makes sense that they don't want him wrestling in their ring anymore.
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