The Robisher
Trap-Jaw
Deaf by nature. Proud by choice.
Posts: 255
|
Post by The Robisher on Sept 1, 2014 17:03:25 GMT -5
Watch this clip. The way its set up, Shawn Mooney comes across like a legit sports news commentator on a believable set similar to what you see on ESPN. Then we go to the promos featuring The British Bulldog and then Shawn Michaels w/Sherri Martel. And what did I notice? In less than two minutes, they presented the WWE more as a professional wrestling product and less like a cornball soap opera. www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRL6OFq1Vx4Why can't the WWE get back to basics? They can keep the pyro and the large crowds, but feature more wrestling and stories that people give a damn about. And for the love of all that's good, NIX THE BATHROOM HUMOR!
|
|
FinalGwen
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Particularly fond of muffins.
Posts: 16,432
|
Post by FinalGwen on Sept 1, 2014 17:05:45 GMT -5
"Did I just hear you say... 2 minutes and 58 seconds?" "Nah, it's just not the same."
|
|
Urethra Franklin
King Koopa
When Toronto sports teams lose, Alison Brie is sad
Posts: 11,089
|
Post by Urethra Franklin on Sept 1, 2014 17:08:15 GMT -5
I listened to a Review-A-Wai from a couple of months ago and they reviewed Slammiversary 2005.
Alex Shelley wrestled Shocker. Their match was set up because Shelley believed that his training in catch-as-catch-can, Japanese-strong style and English influence was superior to Shocker's lucha background. In short, they were feuding over who the superior wrestler was.
No convoluted feud over something frivolous, it was a feud based on who did their job better. It's simple as all hell and the basis for all athletic competition the world over.
Why is it that WWE is so terrified to make things that simple?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:10:58 GMT -5
Because that wouldn't draw in 2014.
Hell it didn't draw in the 90s. Why do you think WCW spent most of the early 90s trying to be like WWF?
|
|
gbo86
Mephisto
Posts: 684
|
Post by gbo86 on Sept 1, 2014 17:11:15 GMT -5
THEY'RE TWERKIN'! HAHA, I LOVE IT, MAGGLE!
|
|
wildojinx
Wade Wilson
Posts: 26,844
Member is Online
|
Post by wildojinx on Sept 1, 2014 17:18:11 GMT -5
I see exactly what you mean. They do need to bring that back. Ico-Pro reissued would sell millions!
|
|
kevin
El Dandy
Posts: 7,503
|
Post by kevin on Sept 1, 2014 17:25:19 GMT -5
I think a once a week show on the network that acted and treated WWE television like NFL Live would be great.
|
|
|
Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Sept 1, 2014 17:26:16 GMT -5
"Did I just hear you say... 2 minutes and 58 seconds?" "Nah, it's just not the same." I was seriously going to make a Three Minute Warning reference in another thread a minute ago. Must be some magic in the air tonight.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:28:22 GMT -5
Watch this clip. The way its set up, Shawn Mooney comes across like a legit sports news commentator on a believable set similar to what you see on ESPN. Well, it does help that before and after his WWF run, Sean Mooney was and still is a real news commentator.
|
|
|
Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 1, 2014 17:28:55 GMT -5
The majority of the audience want the soap opera stuff.
|
|
|
Post by KobashiChop on Sept 1, 2014 17:32:26 GMT -5
If the soap opera stuff was actually GOOD, it wouldnt be as noticably awful at times.
Nikki Bella reciting generic "sibling rivalry" cliches with the ultra-fresh "I wish i had no sister" but and the timeless classic "died in the womb" comment, and to top it off the painfully stilted acting and response acting from both Bellas, this shit just kills the show dead.
|
|
The Robisher
Trap-Jaw
Deaf by nature. Proud by choice.
Posts: 255
|
Post by The Robisher on Sept 1, 2014 17:34:10 GMT -5
No, no, I'm saying the WWE had the format right. It was pro-wrestling meets sports entertainment. For example, "Superstars" in the 90's was a show about popular upper midcard wrestlers squashing jobbers. Yet, this was where you saw legends really being born. Guys like Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Warrior, Jake Roberts, Razor Ramon, and Papa Shango cut their teeth and perfected their characters to a T. Yet, they weren't fighting over "who gets a title shot" or "who angered an authority-type figure". It was wrestling to straight up fight and gain street cred! And there was nothing boring about it. So, when the yearly 5 major ppv's would come around, then we'd see long-term stories pay-off and end at these ppv's. Long story short, we saw athletics and well-performed drama that looked believable.
How many of you remember Titan Studios video room where Lord Alfred Hayes would recap the major on-going stories and then cut to the clips as they happened? It was little stuff like that in production values that made the WWF as popular as it became, because people (knowing its staged) watched it like a movie...not like Jerry Springer. It's fun to see today's pyro and production values, but it should also harken back to themes utilized in the late 80's/early 90's that made sports entertainment seem like a legit sport with theatrics.
|
|
Jiren
Patti Mayonnaise
Hearts Bayformers
Posts: 35,163
|
Post by Jiren on Sept 1, 2014 17:37:25 GMT -5
If the soap opera stuff was actually GOOD, it wouldnt be as noticably awful at times. Nikki Bella reciting generic "sibling rivalry" cliches with the ultra-fresh "I wish i had no sister" but and the timeless classic "died in the womb" comment, and to top it off the painfully stilted acting and response acting from both Bellas, this shit just kills the show dead. Agreed I have no beef with "Stories" as long as they're good and make sense, LITTLE of today's WWE makes sense.......hell little of it is actually any good
|
|
Urethra Franklin
King Koopa
When Toronto sports teams lose, Alison Brie is sad
Posts: 11,089
|
Post by Urethra Franklin on Sept 1, 2014 17:39:34 GMT -5
If the soap opera stuff was actually GOOD, it wouldnt be as noticably awful at times. Nikki Bella reciting generic "sibling rivalry" cliches with the ultra-fresh "I wish i had no sister" but and the timeless classic "died in the womb" comment, and to top it off the painfully stilted acting and response acting from both Bellas, this shit just kills the show dead. That's just it. The soap opera stuff in pro wrestling is a given and I understand that, but 99 times out of 100, it's crap. Go ahead and book the soap opera stuff. I've been watching wrestling since I was 3 and I'm 32 now. It's not my favourite stuff, but you're not going to lose me. What kills me, though, is when you book performers who are clearly not capable with the material in these angles.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 17:41:03 GMT -5
"Did I just hear you say... 2 minutes and 58 seconds?" "Nah, it's just not the same." Bischoff goes through that everyday. "Sir, your table will be ready in fifteen minutes." "Did I just hear fifteen minutes...?" *No one shows up*"You did, Sir. Fifteen minutes." "*sigh* I wasn't-- It was a thing... Forget it. Just forget it."
|
|
|
Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 1, 2014 17:42:01 GMT -5
Because that wouldn't draw in 2014. Hell it didn't draw in the 90s. Why do you think WCW spent most of the early 90s trying to be like WWF? ...Yes and no. What I mean by that is throughout history, the biggest drawing feuds have usually been the ones that have been based in the realm of soap operas. As goofy as it can get sometimes, that's usually been the highest drawing feud for any given company. THAT BEING SAID, I don't think it's fair to just immediately dismiss the idea of portraying the product in a more sports-like fashion. People want something to believe in. That's what draws money. Believability. It doesn't matter whether it's a story about two guys fighting over a woman or just simply fighting to see who's the better wrestler. If you can hook your audience into suspending their belief and letting them know that, for whatever reason, "hey, these guys are gonna kick the crap out of each other!", you are golden. It doesn't really matter how you present it, you just gotta make it look like two guys hate each other enough to fight.
|
|
The Robisher
Trap-Jaw
Deaf by nature. Proud by choice.
Posts: 255
|
Post by The Robisher on Sept 1, 2014 17:43:02 GMT -5
If only wrestling schools taught acting. This should be like a 5-course study at the WWE performance center.
|
|
StuntGranny®
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Not Actually a Granny
Posts: 16,099
|
Post by StuntGranny® on Sept 1, 2014 17:44:04 GMT -5
I can figure out what's wrong with the WWE in seconds.
I watch the Nitro intro and realize they have no competition/no incentive to be any better.
|
|
The Robisher
Trap-Jaw
Deaf by nature. Proud by choice.
Posts: 255
|
Post by The Robisher on Sept 1, 2014 17:45:57 GMT -5
Because that wouldn't draw in 2014. Hell it didn't draw in the 90s. Why do you think WCW spent most of the early 90s trying to be like WWF? ...Yes and no. What I mean by that is throughout history, the biggest drawing feuds have usually been the ones that have been based in the realm of soap operas. As goofy as it can get sometimes, that's usually been the highest drawing feud for any given company. THAT BEING SAID, I don't think it's fair to just immediately dismiss the idea of portraying the product in a more sports-like fashion. People want something to believe. That's what draws money. Believability. It doesn't matter whether it's a story about two guys fighting over a woman or just simply fighting to see who's the better wrestler. If you can hook your audience into suspending their belief and letting them know that, for whatever reason, "hey, these guys are gonna kick the crap out of each other!" has always been the main appeal of wrestling. It doesn't really matter how you present it, you just gotta make it look like two guys hate each other enough to fight. Two good feuds that prove your point. ECW Taz vs. Sabu "A Matter of Respect" WWF Machon Man w/ Sherri Martel vs. The Ultimate Warrior. The pay-off saw Sherri turn on a defeated Savage (kick a man when he's down), only for Ms. Elizabeth to run down the aisle and save her man. The crowd went nuts for that! Especially the women.
|
|
|
Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Sept 1, 2014 18:15:21 GMT -5
Sean Mooney was the man.
|
|