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Post by joeiscool on Sept 2, 2014 11:11:31 GMT -5
WWF attitude, and Nitro...
I don't know if it's just the lower production quality or just the really loose flow of the booking, but ECW feels so hokey, low brow and geeky. Every time I watch ecw I find my self rolling my eyes more than being sucked into nostalgia.
You have ugly over weight fans screaming about how women are crack whores.
Lots of ppvs feel like they were booking on the fly...
lots of really bad wrestlers
And lets not forget the over use of profanity..
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 2, 2014 11:20:47 GMT -5
There's A LOT of bad shit that people call gold. Wait til you get a load of the "PPV Match starts then suddenly there's a run-in that turns into another match and then yet another run-in that turns into yet another match" that happened at least 3 times.
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 2, 2014 11:26:04 GMT -5
Plenty of wrestling ages badly though to be fair. I was watching some WCCW which I had to switch off the other day.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Sept 2, 2014 11:44:10 GMT -5
A lot of stuff don't age well, of course it is personnel. I can watch World Championship Wrestling 1985 or 1986 and it is still awesome to me, even though jobber matches and David Crockett calling the action. I put the golden age of JCP against ECW any day of the week.
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Post by Stu on Sept 2, 2014 11:51:28 GMT -5
It doesn't help that everything that made ECW special has been watered down and overexposed. Fans nowadays are desensitized to tables and such. And the underground atmosphere with low-level budgets looks bad compared to production levels fans expect today. ECW definitely changed wrestling and has its place in history. But it won't succeed at impressing newer fans who've yet to see it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 2, 2014 12:01:47 GMT -5
Some of the hardcore wrestling has not aged well. But there are also a shit ton of good matches and good promos within that. ECW PPVs are still my go to show on the Network when bored.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 2, 2014 12:04:49 GMT -5
the end of Shane Douglas vs Pit Bull #2 from Barely Legal should be infuriating to almost anyone
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Post by Stu on Sept 2, 2014 12:13:06 GMT -5
the end of Shane Douglas vs Pit Bull #2 from Barely Legal should be infuriating to almost anyone Don't even remember what happened other than Rick Rude and Brian Lee showing up. That what you mean? Or is it something else? |
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Post by 67 more on Sept 2, 2014 12:25:54 GMT -5
the end of Shane Douglas vs Pit Bull #2 from Barely Legal should be infuriating to almost anyone That entire match should be infuriating to anyone. The only black mark on Barely Legal. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 2, 2014 12:38:53 GMT -5
the end of Shane Douglas vs Pit Bull #2 from Barely Legal should be infuriating to almost anyone Don't even remember what happened other than Rick Rude and Brian Lee showing up. That what you mean? Or is it something else? Shane Douglas hits #2 with brass knuckles and breaks a piece of table over his head. Two count. Douglas hits him with a chair shot. Two count. Douglas hits him with the ring bell. Two count. Douglas breaks another piece of table over his head. Two count and Pit Bull throws Douglas up in the air on the kick out. Pit Bull gets in some offense, throws Douglas into the corner. Douglas grabs the TV title and hits Pit Bull with it twice. Shane attempts to get a chain out of his boot, gets caught from behind in a pumphandle slam. Two count. Pit Bull gets the chain out Shane's boot and uses it. Chris Candido distracts Pit Bull #2. Francine distracts him. Schoolboy roll up. Two count. Pit Bull hits a clothesline. Douglas is back up. Douglas ducks a clothesline and hits a lazy belly to belly suplex for the win. Brass knuckles, two pieces of broken table, a chair shot, and two shots with the title belt = two counts Belly to Belly suplex = pinfall |
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Post by DjZonk on Sept 2, 2014 15:03:37 GMT -5
the end of Shane Douglas vs Pit Bull #2 from Barely Legal should be infuriating to almost anyone That entire match should be infuriating to anyone. The only black mark on Barely Legal. Pit bull 2 was pretty coked out for most of his tenure. I can't recall any good one on one match he ever had. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 15:23:51 GMT -5
ECW is definitely one of those things where you had to be there in that moment to really enjoy it.
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Post by Ashy Larry on Sept 2, 2014 17:02:06 GMT -5
The WWE network version of ECW is heavily edited, unless you've seen the uncut ppv's with Enter Sandman and all other themes in tact, you won't have the full ECW experience. It's like removing the music from Pulp Fiction.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 2, 2014 17:19:52 GMT -5
The WWE network version of ECW is heavily edited, unless you've seen the uncut ppv's with Enter Sandman and all other themes in tact, you won't have the full ECW experience. It's like removing the music from Pulp Fiction. Yeah, you're missing so much music and interlude, I really wouldn't rate how well ECW has aged based on its WWE presentation. Even the History of ECW on WWE Classics on Demand was missing about ten minutes of each episode with the footage reedited into a MUCH different format. |
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 2, 2014 17:22:55 GMT -5
It's pretty much Heyman's 'go-to' whenever he's been asked about it in recent times, and to paraphrase a small bit: "I think it was a product of its time and that time is over".
He also quite careful in never say ECW "died", merely that it "went away".
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Sept 2, 2014 17:42:17 GMT -5
ECW was very good in the first place.
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Sept 2, 2014 17:50:42 GMT -5
I'm the opposite here.
I shudder at watching old RAWS and Nitros but I can't get enough of older ECW stuff. I also can't get enough of Smokey Mountain Wrestling from the same time period.
You have to remember that prior to the NWO/Attitude era stuff, wrestling was in a deep, dark place. It was ECW that kept me watching it in the first place.
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Post by Ashy Larry on Sept 2, 2014 17:51:29 GMT -5
The WWE network version of ECW is heavily edited, unless you've seen the uncut ppv's with Enter Sandman and all other themes in tact, you won't have the full ECW experience. It's like removing the music from Pulp Fiction. Yeah, you're missing so much music and interlude, I really wouldn't rate how well ECW has aged based on its WWE presentation. Even the History of ECW on WWE Classics on Demand was missing about ten minutes of each episode with the footage reedited into a MUCH different format. On the network version of Heatwave 2000, entrances are heavily edited like Little Guido and RVD's entrances. Some of the entrances are cut short in comparison to the broadcast ppv versions. "I'm gonna give you the clap" during Scotty Anton's entrance with Scotty giving the clap is edited out. Almost every theme is dubbed over, even the in-house music they used with the exceptions of Taz and Sabu. |
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Post by Surfer Sandman on Sept 2, 2014 17:55:30 GMT -5
Don't even remember what happened other than Rick Rude and Brian Lee showing up. That what you mean? Or is it something else? Shane Douglas hits #2 with brass knuckles and breaks a piece of table over his head. Two count. Douglas hits him with a chair shot. Two count. Douglas hits him with the ring bell. Two count. Douglas breaks another piece of table over his head. Two count and Pit Bull throws Douglas up in the air on the kick out. Pit Bull gets in some offense, throws Douglas into the corner. Douglas grabs the TV title and hits Pit Bull with it twice. Shane attempts to get a chain out of his boot, gets caught from behind in a pumphandle slam. Two count. Pit Bull gets the chain out Shane's boot and uses it. Chris Candido distracts Pit Bull #2. Francine distracts him. Schoolboy roll up. Two count. Pit Bull hits a clothesline. Douglas is back up. Douglas ducks a clothesline and hits a lazy belly to belly suplex for the win. Brass knuckles, two pieces of broken table, a chair shot, and two shots with the title belt = two counts Belly to Belly suplex = pinfall I think that the whole point was to show that Pitbull #2 would not admit defeat and go away, hence the 2 counts. Is it really any different from the SuperCena booking that the WWE uses? |
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Post by cjh on Sept 2, 2014 17:56:37 GMT -5
Yeah, you're missing so much music and interlude, I really wouldn't rate how well ECW has aged based on its WWE presentation. Even the History of ECW on WWE Classics on Demand was missing about ten minutes of each episode with the footage reedited into a MUCH different format. On the network version of Heatwave 2000, entrances are heavily edited like Little Guido and RVD's entrances. Some of the entrances are cut short in comparison to the broadcast ppv versions. "I'm gonna give you the clap" during Scotty Anton's entrance with Scotty giving the clap is edited out. Almost every theme is dubbed over, even the in-house music they used with the exceptions of Taz and Sabu. Anton's music is left intact on the Network's video of Heat Wave 2000 (as it should be since it's a Harry Slash theme and WWE bought those from Slash in 2005). |
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