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Post by Juice on Sept 4, 2014 22:16:22 GMT -5
Only if you're strictly looking for storyline development. Smackdown has always, and I argue still is, the place for a solid wrestling show with good matches. And there is still storyline progression. A lot of the same matches that happened on raw do occur these days. But that's still a progression on these people vs those people. It's not like the Usos and Wyatts would feud on Raw, and then never see action with each other on Smackdown. It's effectively an addendum to RAW, in that there's nothing important occuring. If you miss it, you won't miss anything storywise. But the matches are what makes it worth it. I kind of like not having to sit through all of the soap opera crap that happens on raw and seeing a straight wrestling show.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 4, 2014 22:38:18 GMT -5
It's effectively an addendum to RAW, in that there's nothing important occuring. If you miss it, you won't miss anything storywise. But the matches are what makes it worth it. I kind of like not having to sit through all of the soap opera crap that happens on raw and seeing a straight wrestling show. What they could do is simply make Smackdown into a show featuring jobber matches (which are required anyway for reasons that have been debated here over the last few weeks), thus giving people the wrestling show without having to worry about story developments or rematches or rehashes. Shorter jobber matches, without commercial interruptions, fewer comedy/variety bits, pre-taped promos, with a main event featuring a US/IC/Tag Team or Divas title match would offer something significantly different to RAW.
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Post by Juice on Sept 4, 2014 22:43:34 GMT -5
But the matches are what makes it worth it. I kind of like not having to sit through all of the soap opera crap that happens on raw and seeing a straight wrestling show. What they could do is simply make Smackdown into a show featuring jobber matches (which are required anyway for reasons that have been debated here over the last few weeks), thus giving people the wrestling show without having to worry about story developments or rematches or rehashes. Shorter jobber matches, without commercial interruptions, fewer comedy/variety bits, pre-taped promos, with a main event featuring a US/IC/Tag Team or Divas title match would offer something significantly different to RAW. I could agree with this, but I would prefer to have Jakked or Shotgun return for some jobber matches.
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Post by bluemeii on Sept 4, 2014 23:02:03 GMT -5
The approximately 2.5 million people each week who watch it say nope, stupid idea.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 4, 2014 23:21:08 GMT -5
It's kinda comforting knowing it's there if I ever wanna watch it. I rarely ever do, but it's nice to have the option
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Post by Dean-o on Sept 5, 2014 0:50:56 GMT -5
WWE cares about Smackdown so much that often times on Raw when a match is booked that took place just 3 days before, it's nrver mentioned. It's almost as if, it never even happened, and that is Smackdown in a nutshell. Booked just enough to be a solid, but completely worthless show.
Show/Henry vs. Wyatt's is a great recent example of this.
When Rollins turned, he appeared on Smackdown but said a whole bunch of nothing. He didn't really speak out until Raw the next week. That's how little Smackdown matters.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 5, 2014 2:02:02 GMT -5
It should stay but it needs some modifying. It should be a wrestling show, to counter Raw's variety show.
Have those not usually on RAW used more heavily on SD (But still use some Raw stars)
The fact that it's Raw's testing ground is what kills it.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Sept 5, 2014 2:10:40 GMT -5
Honestly getting rid of Smackdown or just making it a one hour network only show like Main Event would be best. It's treated like a B rate show and it's been like that ever since the brand split ending and when RAW went to 3 hours. It would also improve the quality of matches on all fronts because we are not getting the same matches over and over again.
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Post by kingofthings on Sept 5, 2014 2:27:40 GMT -5
Yeah I also rarely tune in to Smackdown. The fact that most of the time the only mention it even gets on Raw is some random statistic about viewership, as if having to constantly justify its position, says a lot.
The best thing about Smackdown is the fact that Lawler stays away and its a far better two-man commentary situation. JBL is tolerable on SD oddly. Make it the home of the IC title. Have tournaments for the gold and whatnot, they need to make people want to see it more. Testing the waters with matches before bumping it up to Raw is just awful.
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Post by 67 more on Sept 5, 2014 2:34:05 GMT -5
I like Smackdown because I watch it after it's been shown so that I can skip adverts and RAW recaps and shit. That way, it's about an hour of solid wrestling every week.
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Post by 4real on Sept 5, 2014 4:17:38 GMT -5
Right now I think Smackdown is probably less relevant than it's ever been, it feels as if half the show now is just one big recap as to what happened on RAW. I get that WWE needs to give guys a rest sometimes and that's cool but I'm sure they can still treat the show as a big deal at the drop of a hat. Thing is right now they don't seem to want to.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 5, 2014 7:36:54 GMT -5
I'd argue that Smackdown isn't even the 'wrestling' show anymore. They've seemed to settle into a rhythm where matches are solid, even very solid, but not really memorable or great.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 8:44:05 GMT -5
I think it needs a drastic format change.
Maybe do it as a live in studio show that throws to pretaped matches, kind of like the old American setup of Heat but with a set up like Excess rather than being in a restaurant.
They can have in studio guests (doesn't have to be exclusively wrestlers - they can bring in whoever wants to promote their latest movie or whatever). Also air a few pretape video packages on the wrestlers like they used to in the Attitude era (eg Jericho going to a fozzy gig) to get their personalities over.
They can also show the odd "vault" match, maybe have a twitter vote on it, then they can use that as an oppurtunity to shill the network ie "for 1000's of hours of classic matches like this subscribe to the WWE network
it needs a drastic format change really
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Post by mcstoklasa on Sept 5, 2014 8:46:53 GMT -5
I liked it back in 2000, 2001 when you'd have the big stars like HHH, Austin, Rock appear on RAW and then they'd appear on Smackdown as well. It wasn't a B show, it was just a second show for the wrestlers to appear on in a week.
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Post by rowdy426 on Sept 5, 2014 8:49:35 GMT -5
Haven't cared about Smackdown since Punk's heel turn and the Straight Edge Society.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 8:52:09 GMT -5
I liked it back in 2000, 2001 when you'd have the big stars like HHH, Austin, Rock appear on RAW and then they'd appear on Smackdown as well. It wasn't a B show, it was just a second show for the wrestlers to appear on in a week. At that point it was Raw's equal. They were both treated as the A show. Smackdown was getting higher ratings at that time (due to being on broadcast over cable I suppose)
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Post by silverplaquevii on Sept 5, 2014 9:19:19 GMT -5
Keep SmackDown as it is. Once they're done with Syfy (they have the right to cancel it in case), then it could be moved to NBC or back to CW.
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Post by Juice on Sept 5, 2014 9:19:59 GMT -5
I liked it back in 2000, 2001 when you'd have the big stars like HHH, Austin, Rock appear on RAW and then they'd appear on Smackdown as well. It wasn't a B show, it was just a second show for the wrestlers to appear on in a week. At that point it was Raw's equal. They were both treated as the A show. Smackdown was getting higher ratings at that time (due to being on broadcast over cable I suppose) That's the thing. I can understand the complaints that I have read in this thread. Even though I still think Smackdowns a good show, since its move to syfy WWE has not cared to make it a must see show. But to say Smackdown was a b show in 2002-09 is just incorrect.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 9:37:01 GMT -5
At that point it was Raw's equal. They were both treated as the A show. Smackdown was getting higher ratings at that time (due to being on broadcast over cable I suppose) That's the thing. I can understand the complaints that I have read in this thread. Even though I still think Smackdowns a good show, since its move to syfy WWE has not cared to make it a must see show. But to say Smackdown was a b show in 2002-09 is just incorrect. It's evident from the first brand split they didn't see it as a B show. But then the roster was stacked enough that both shows each had a roster with more star power than the entire company has now. I guess the move to syfy combined with the roster having less recognisable stars than it did in 2002 caused them to put less effort in
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Sept 5, 2014 9:58:53 GMT -5
The move to Syfy took away WWE's need to make it distinct from Raw - if they're not reaching audiences who don't have cable, what's the point? It will always be a subpar Raw from a business sense, now.
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