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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:46:12 GMT -5
Isn't that splitting hairs a bit? Heyman will come out and say no Brock wasn't going to be pinned, he was going to kick out, get up, and F5 Cena just like he did. If a fan can't see that Brock is awesome after taking 6 finishers and walking out because Cole may have said that slightly more than JBL is kind of dumb. Most people aren't going to be watching a random filler PPV, though. This Lesnar stuff should be building to Mania, and the average Mania buyer - who only gets it based on PPV sales each year - is going to see the story being told on Raw by Cena, the commentators, and the recaps, which is going to be, "Lesnar got his ass kicked, Cena had it won!" That just isn't fair to WWE or the match. That is not what Cole was even saying. He was saying Was Cena going to win? He never said "Cena had him beat!!". It was a legit 50/50 question. Again, this is all being blown out of proportion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:46:40 GMT -5
I think people should really re-evaluate what they like about wrestling... Half of the people here are mad because the match was not a squash... I understand wanting things to happen in wrestling, but throwing hissey fits because what you wanted to happen didn't happen is kinda dumb... Only a few people've brought this up, but I'm already sick of this particular way of looking at it. One, accusing those you disagree with of throwing a tantrum when they're annoyed over poor storytelling is just the wrong foot to be on in the first place, since it just from the get-go establishes you're not interested in a debate and you just want to write off others' opinions on the subject. Two, those of us annoyed over this have largely been explaining that we didn't necessarily need to see a squash, just a better ending and something that explained Cena having a fight chance this time better than, "I'm spr SRS now u guiz."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:47:33 GMT -5
Cena had to hit BOTH his finishing moves, moves that have won wrestlemania main events, over and over again and he STILL failed. And then the giant, scary champion got nailed with the finisher of ANOTHER top guy and STILL ended the show standing triumphant.
4 Attitude Adjustments. 4. Two or three STF's.
Brock will be fine. It looks like nothing short of a nuclear bomb can beat him, but there's that seed of doubt that Cena can get it done.
If you don't like that Cena, the good guy face of the company and the hero of this story, nearly beat the villain before getting screwed over that's fine. But the reactions are WAY over the top.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 21, 2014 22:48:12 GMT -5
He was screaming that, but Cole was hammering the whole "was Brock gonna lose?!?" thing about ten times more. Isn't that splitting hairs a bit? Heyman will come out and say no Brock wasn't going to be pinned, he was going to kick out, get up, and F5 Cena just like he did. If a fan can't see that Brock is awesome after taking 6 finishers and walking out because Cole may have said that slightly more than JBL is kind of dumb. It would be if I wasn't positive of the narrative they're gonna push tomorrow. Cena's gonna be all preacher voice and angry and demanding Brock at Hell in a Cell, and Cole is absolutely gonna sell that Cena was right on the verge of triumph. The fans can see that, sure, that's why the Vince agenda; the Vince-genda if you will, irritates people.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Sept 21, 2014 22:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Sept 21, 2014 22:50:33 GMT -5
I think people should really re-evaluate what they like about wrestling... Half of the people here are mad because the match was not a squash... I understand wanting things to happen in wrestling, but throwing hissey fits because what you wanted to happen didn't happen is kinda dumb... Only a few people've brought this up, but I'm already sick of this particular way of looking at it. One, accusing those you disagree with of throwing a tantrum when they're annoyed over poor storytelling is just the wrong foot to be on in the first place, since it just from the get-go establishes you're not interested in a debate and you just want to write off others' opinions on the subject. Two, those of us annoyed over this have largely been explaining that we didn't necessarily need to see a squash, just a better ending and something that explained Cena having a fight chance this time better than, "I'm spr SRS now u guiz." I just wanted a logical story Keep him off RAW but have vignettes of him taking advice from MMA fighters on how to counter Brock's big guns (Kimura) and past superstars who've fought monsters (Hogan, HBK, Even Ron simmons) and won. Also training Vignettes. It would have made sense on how he was more Savvy this time round
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 22:50:54 GMT -5
Or.. Are we gonna get Cena vs Brock with Rollins cashing in to make it a 3 way and it is an awesome match? Damn, you WWE. It was bad enough when you had Bryan beat HHH, Batista, and Orton at WM, now this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:54:27 GMT -5
Cena had to hit BOTH his finishing moves, moves that have won wrestlemania main events, over and over again and he STILL failed. And then the giant, scary champion got nailed with the finisher of ANOTHER top guy and STILL ended the show standing triumphant. 4 Attitude Adjustments. 4. Two or three STF's. Brock will be fine. It looks like nothing short of a nuclear bomb can beat him, but there's that seed of doubt that Cena can get it done. If you don't like that Cena, the good guy face of the company and the hero of this story, nearly beat the villain before getting screwed over that's fine. But the reactions are WAY over the top. Yeah, I'm glad that Brock Lesnar, Man Who Ended the Streak, got the rub of beating John Cena by a technicality after eating several finishers in a row. Makes him look really strong, being all but beaten by the guy he squashed a month ago.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 22:58:17 GMT -5
Cena had to hit BOTH his finishing moves, moves that have won wrestlemania main events, over and over again and he STILL failed. And then the giant, scary champion got nailed with the finisher of ANOTHER top guy and STILL ended the show standing triumphant. 4 Attitude Adjustments. 4. Two or three STF's. Brock will be fine. It looks like nothing short of a nuclear bomb can beat him, but there's that seed of doubt that Cena can get it done. If you don't like that Cena, the good guy face of the company and the hero of this story, nearly beat the villain before getting screwed over that's fine. But the reactions are WAY over the top. Yeah, I'm glad that Brock Lesnar, Man Who Ended the Streak, got the rub of beating John Cena by a technicality after eating several finishers in a row. Makes him look really strong, being all but beaten by the guy he squashed a month ago. Dude, what do you expect? Brock to just kill everything in sight? The bad guy has to look vulnerable to the good guy sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 23:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm glad that Brock Lesnar, Man Who Ended the Streak, got the rub of beating John Cena by a technicality after eating several finishers in a row. Makes him look really strong, being all but beaten by the guy he squashed a month ago. Dude, what do you expect? Brock to just kill everything in sight? The bad guy has to look vulnerable to the good guy sometimes. Um, yes? That's kinda' how monster heels work. They kill everyone in sight until someone manages to dethrone them. Winning by bullshit technicalities was the forte of the Honky Tonk Man, not Andre the Giant.
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Post by joeiscool on Sept 21, 2014 23:00:30 GMT -5
I think people should really re-evaluate what they like about wrestling... Half of the people here are mad because the match was not a squash... I understand wanting things to happen in wrestling, but throwing hissey fits because what you wanted to happen didn't happen is kinda dumb... Only a few people've brought this up, but I'm already sick of this particular way of looking at it. One, accusing those you disagree with of throwing a tantrum when they're annoyed over poor storytelling is just the wrong foot to be on in the first place, since it just from the get-go establishes you're not interested in a debate and you just want to write off others' opinions on the subject. Two, those of us annoyed over this have largely been explaining that we didn't necessarily need to see a squash, just a better ending and something that explained Cena having a fight chance this time better than, "I'm spr SRS now u guiz." Well I mean people are "threatening" to stop watching wwe all together. I mean watch or don't watch, but what happened tonight is pretty logical, and basic wrestling booking 101. Cena lost a match. Cena pushes himself to be a better wrestler.. Cena wins a match by dq... Cue blow off cage match... I mean you don't have to like it, but you should understand this is standard wrestling story telling. If this really bothers you to the point where you are saying some of the stuff people are saying in this page, WWE wrestling is not the product for you.. Just saying
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 21, 2014 23:01:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm glad that Brock Lesnar, Man Who Ended the Streak, got the rub of beating John Cena by a technicality after eating several finishers in a row. Makes him look really strong, being all but beaten by the guy he squashed a month ago. Dude, what do you expect? Brock to just kill everything in sight? The bad guy has to look vulnerable to the good guy sometimes. One of the complaints people had about the nWo was how they looked too strong without the good guys ever getting a one up on them. Last year, we had people voicing their complaints about consecutive shows ending with the Authority standing tall over Daniel Bryan. Having the bad guy show some vulnerability against the hero isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 23:03:38 GMT -5
Dude, what do you expect? Brock to just kill everything in sight? The bad guy has to look vulnerable to the good guy sometimes. Um, yes? That's kinda' how monster heels work. They kill everyone in sight until someone manages to dethrone them. Winning by bullshit technicalities was the forte of the Honky Tonk Man, not Andre the Giant. Monster heels did this kind of thing all the time. Because doing stupid, shitty things is what makes you a heel and not just a monster. Vader, for example, did that kind of thing all the time. He retained the title via DQ against Flair, Bulldog and I'm sure some other times I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Post by gnr123 on Sept 21, 2014 23:04:55 GMT -5
Only a few people've brought this up, but I'm already sick of this particular way of looking at it. One, accusing those you disagree with of throwing a tantrum when they're annoyed over poor storytelling is just the wrong foot to be on in the first place, since it just from the get-go establishes you're not interested in a debate and you just want to write off others' opinions on the subject. Two, those of us annoyed over this have largely been explaining that we didn't necessarily need to see a squash, just a better ending and something that explained Cena having a fight chance this time better than, "I'm spr SRS now u guiz." Well I mean people are "threatening" to stop watching wwe all together. I mean watch or don't watch, but what happened tonight is pretty logical, and basic wrestling booking 101. Cena lost a match. Cena pushes himself to be a better wrestler.. Cena wins a match by dq... Cue blow off cage match... I mean you don't have to like it, but you should understand this is standard wrestling story telling. If this really bothers you to the point where you are saying some of the stuff people are saying in this page, WWE wrestling is not the product for you.. Just saying The thing is though, what people are saying is that he didn't "push himself to become a better wrestler." All he did was talk about how he was going to beat Brock Lesnar, that's it. He didn't do anything different for the build-up for NOC as he did Summerslm, yet somehow he got more offense in. WWE's just trying to have Cena at Brock's level, when it's obvious Cena is nowhere near the talent Brock Lesnar is. And I say that as a John Cena fan.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 21, 2014 23:04:57 GMT -5
Um, yes? That's kinda' how monster heels work. They kill everyone in sight until someone manages to dethrone them. Winning by bullshit technicalities was the forte of the Honky Tonk Man, not Andre the Giant. Monster heels did this kind of thing all the time. Because doing stupid, shitty things is what makes you a heel and not just a monster. Vader, for example, did that kind of thing all the time. He retained the title via DQ against Flair, Bulldog and I'm sure some other times I can't remember off the top of my head. Didn't Vader once moonsault a barn?
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 23:05:43 GMT -5
Dude, what do you expect? Brock to just kill everything in sight? The bad guy has to look vulnerable to the good guy sometimes. One of the complaints people had about the nWo was how they looked too strong without the good guys ever getting a one up on them. Last year, we had people voicing their complaints about consecutive shows ending with the Authority standing tall over Daniel Bryan. Having the bad guy show some vulnerability against the hero isn't necessarily a bad thing. Dude, earlier this week there was a thread asking why Daniel Bryan wasn't "the man"....... When he is out recovering from neck surgery. Logic is out the window.
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Post by SenorCrest on Sept 21, 2014 23:08:49 GMT -5
WWE just summoned the Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon (lesnar). it is going to take a lot of effort to beat this guy, many tricks and boosters.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Sept 21, 2014 23:09:29 GMT -5
I really don't get why people are acting like John Cena won the championship clean. Brock Lesnar is still champion and he dominated for 80% of the match. Are we going to bash WWE for 2 minutes of Cena looking decent? This is the WWE Current board so yes. Eh, we can complain on every other section, this section is no different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 23:11:40 GMT -5
Nah, man. Don't obscure the context of people being paranoid about D. Bryan Danielson's push.
D. Bryan was a dude people had to hijack several weeks worth of shows to get him to the top. We're going in about year 10 of John Cena overcoming all of the odds and several years of split crowd reactions.
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Post by abjordans on Sept 21, 2014 23:15:25 GMT -5
Nah, man. Don't obscure the context of people being paranoid about D. Bryan Danielson's push. D. Bryan was a dude people had to hijack several weeks worth of shows to get him to the top. We're going in about year 10 of John Cena overcoming all of the odds and several years of split crowd reactions. But.. But.. Cena didn't overcome the odds. In fact, the combination of Brock Lesner and Seth Rollins interference proved to be too much, meaning that by definition, Cena was unable to overcome the odds. The odds are safe. And yes, asking why a guy isn't the top guy when he isn't even able to be on the show is pretty stupid.
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