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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 22, 2014 5:13:22 GMT -5
Screw Cena/Lesnar, I want the next month of WWE programming to be about Brock Benny Hill chasing Seth Rollins backstage. I was thinking more 'Scooby Do' style, but this works as well.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 22, 2014 6:15:50 GMT -5
On one hand, I'm glad Brock's still champ. On the other, the ending was a massive clusterf***, and the moronic commentary team killed it by shouting about how Lesnar was about to tap when he clearly wasn't. Dude was in the STF for ages, a hold that's largely a match ender and was showing no signs of not being able to reach the ropes, and had kicked out of multiple AA's.
Christ on a f***ing bike, I'm not usually one to complain about the commentary, but they can really ruin a good match. So f***ing stupid.
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Post by r. on Sept 22, 2014 6:59:22 GMT -5
While I know he has final say and has been mostly letting hunter book, This match had all of Vinces ear marks all over it;
Appledough-smile-taunt-run to the ring cena: Check
Cena gets beat up for an extended amount of time only to pop up and hit his finisher: check
Cena gets revenge for the last match: check {brock did multiple suplex's cena does multiple AA's}
lolcenawins: check [Granted by DQ]
For a spot in HIAC or as it will be called 'The day cena overcame the odds and won it all, freeze frame Executive Producer Stephen J. Cannell'
I want Cena to set up his 5 knuckle shuffle and as he gets to the first rope Brock kips up and tears his head off with a lariat and proceeds to return the favor of multiple finishers with 6 F-5's in a row.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 22, 2014 7:44:16 GMT -5
I don't mind Cena winning but the ending just wasn't good. There were other ways to get a rematch at the Cell.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 8:36:39 GMT -5
It looked like their way of extending the feud to the next PPV, but yeah, typical Cena BS booking. Makes no sense within the context of any logical storytelling.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 22, 2014 8:45:10 GMT -5
I don't mind Cena winning but the ending just wasn't good. There were other ways to get a rematch at the Cell. The only other ways involved equally crappy finishes like double DQs and such. Or Cena actually winning the title.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 22, 2014 8:51:19 GMT -5
I don't mind Cena winning but the ending just wasn't good. There were other ways to get a rematch at the Cell. The only other ways involved equally crappy finishes like double DQs and such. Or Cena actually winning the title. Besides, if Brock went over cleanly, no reason for him to face Cena inside the Cell.
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Post by Crimson on Sept 22, 2014 10:14:12 GMT -5
I get the feeling the blowoff is actually going to be a Triple Threat; Cena vs Lesnar vs Rollins.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 10:19:57 GMT -5
HIAC matches are too unremarkable now for them to be "brutal blowoffs" requiring Brock to continue wrestling Cena. It's now a regular match except you can now thrill at people not only being irish whipped into the ring steps, but also tossed into the harmless fencing around the ring. It's the one match so comically crippled by the no blood rule that it shouldn't even exist anymore. You know, I personally feel HIAC matches are better with that No Blood rule, as there were so many unnecessary blade jobs during that era. Undertaker/Edge, Undertaker/Triple H, and Randy Orton/Mark Henry are three of my favorite HIAC matches. The problem is when you don't utilize the structure is when you've failed at using the stipulation. Anyway, my problems with John Cena, aside from the fact that the WWE feels like it's a good idea to have your top guy be so divisive and instead of ironing out the problems a long time ago to make him more likable that it was better to just let people who don't like Cena have legitimate reasons to boo him, is the fact that they are afraid of going against the norm, in spite of the fact that standard booking is what makes Cena not a popular guy amongst most of your audience... at least, amongst the dissidents. It doesn't help knowing that Cena's next program after Lesnar will be against Rusev, and if what the Bray Wyatt feud proved to us, this feud will not promote somebody, but instead be the end of their run because it's Cena, not the newcomer, that needs all the momentum and the victories.
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Post by revolver86 on Sept 22, 2014 10:33:22 GMT -5
The only other ways involved equally crappy finishes like double DQs and such. Or Cena actually winning the title. Besides, if Brock went over cleanly, no reason for him to face Cena inside the Cell. Exactly. I'm sick of Cena/Brock matches. Time for Brock to fight some new guys.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 22, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
I get the feeling the blowoff is actually going to be a Triple Threat; Cena vs Lesnar vs Rollins. No chance. Ambrose will face Rollins in the cell.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Sept 22, 2014 12:23:59 GMT -5
For those complaining that other guy needed to look strong or there's no need for a third match HHH lost two straight ppvs to Batista before their HIAC match.
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Post by King Boo on Sept 22, 2014 12:42:43 GMT -5
After reading through this thread, I have had the following opinions re-enforced:
1 - A big part of the problem is the number of PPVs. If the blow-off is to be HIAC, then essentially, NOC is in the way. If this month was left to build to HIAC, it would have done a world of good: The ending of the NOC match wouldn't have made anyone look bad or weak or unnecessarily strong or wily, because it wouldn't have happened and they could have actually had Cena have to, you know, recover and try to rally back from the massive slaughtering he took at SummerSlam.
2 - A blow off match for this type of story should be Last Man Standing, not the over-used and watered down HIAC. And it should be brutal.
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 22, 2014 12:47:08 GMT -5
If Brock absolutely squashes a bunch of guy in title matches (like Cena/Bray/Dean/Seth/Cesaro etc) and Roman beats him clean as a sheet at mania, people will complain that Roman made those other guys look like jobber by beating Brock. It's a very no win situation.
I'll rather sprinkle in some close survival for Brock to remind the audience that their hero's may stand a chance and it isn't just Brock kills guys until he faces Roman.
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Post by lesleymoon on Sept 22, 2014 12:53:49 GMT -5
Posting this here too: In the end, all the highlights of this PPV are overshadowed by the fact that we are supposed to believe Cena is at Brocks level, when a month ago, it was established, cleanly, that he wasn't. But After a month of doing NOTHING but run his mouth, be a dick, and overall be the most unlikable piece of cancer in wrestling, Cena has to be screwed out of his victory with Lesnar. F*** you WWE, this is the reason people hate what you've become. Any time you have anything that might be promising it is shoved aside for the status quo, and that is Cena, after nearly 10 years of it, we're all sick of it. You're all a bunch of F***ing morons, I wish WCW had survived, because without competition, you've become more and more unbearable /rant For your own sake then, stop watching. Just stop watching if you're not happy with the product. Simple as that. NO ONE IS HOLDING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND FORCING YOU TO WATCH!
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Post by mizerable on Sept 22, 2014 12:54:14 GMT -5
I figured out the result going in.
I remember Heyman on Jericho's podcast speaking as a fan and saying how interesting Cena's character would develop. Even then, I laughed because I knew one of two things would happen;
Cena beats Lesnar clean.
Someone interferes and costs Cena the title.
So when Heyman started speaking about how Cena would do to this dark part, I laughed. I knew it wouldn't happen, or if it did, it would have no lasting effect given the circumstances of either scenario. If Cena won the title, he'd come out smiling and full of smugness. So since Rollins costed him the title, knowing what I know about Cena, he's going to come out tonight, cut a promo about how Rollins is a piece of shit sellout and that the only way Cena is going get a fair chance is if he takes out Rollins. He proceeds to take out Rollins at the next PPV or possibly that night. Rollins taps like Fred Astaire to the STF. The same likely scenario we ALWAYS gets.
So yeah...WWE booked themselves into a corner because we've established that Cena is infallible as a character and when he says he's going to do something, he'll do it. He never guaranteed he'd win the title, but he was "going to whoop Lesnar's ass". So right there, I knew that Cena was going to "learn" from his Summerslam match and one of the two possible scenarios would happen.
The only reason for Rollins interfering is to Cena can take his eyes off Lesnar and focus on Rollins. It's so obvious.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 22, 2014 13:00:56 GMT -5
For those complaining that other guy needed to look strong or there's no need for a third match HHH lost two straight ppvs to Batista before their HIAC match. HHH was a heel who we know had no basis for requesting a rematch. He had to practically beg. A babyface can't beg for a match he doesn't deserve.
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Post by mizerable on Sept 22, 2014 13:07:11 GMT -5
For those complaining that other guy needed to look strong or there's no need for a third match HHH lost two straight ppvs to Batista before their HIAC match. HHH was a heel who we know had no basis for requesting a rematch. He had to practically beg. A babyface can't beg for a match he doesn't deserve. Not only that, but as much as I hated it at the time, having Triple H lose three times to Batista in a row really did establish him. Triple H conceded after that and decided to not get his ass whipped again. Prior to that, Triple H would maybe lose once or twice, but inevitably get his title back. After that HIAC, the title belonged to Batista. Cena getting another match doesn't do a thing for either guy. There's several people that can face Lesnar already. I don't care if they're considered "inferior" to Cena because all that matters is a fresh match up, even if that means that Sheamus, Orton, Rollins, Ambrose, Cesaro, Ziggler and such would get their asses handed to them.
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Post by Robbymac on Sept 22, 2014 13:08:26 GMT -5
I figured out the result going in. I remember Heyman on Jericho's podcast speaking as a fan and saying how interesting Cena's character would develop. Even then, I laughed because I knew one of two things would happen; Cena beats Lesnar clean. Someone interferes and costs Cena the title. So when Heyman started speaking about how Cena would do to this dark part, I laughed. I knew it wouldn't happen, or if it did, it would have no lasting effect given the circumstances of either scenario. If Cena won the title, he'd come out smiling and full of smugness. So since Rollins costed him the title, knowing what I know about Cena, he's going to come out tonight, cut a promo about how Rollins is a piece of shit sellout and that the only way Cena is going get a fair chance is if he takes out Rollins. He proceeds to take out Rollins at the next PPV or possibly that night. Rollins taps like Fred Astaire to the STF. The same likely scenario we ALWAYS gets. So yeah...WWE booked themselves into a corner because we've established that Cena is infallible as a character and when he says he's going to do something, he'll do it. He never guaranteed he'd win the title, but he was "going to whoop Lesnar's ass". So right there, I knew that Cena was going to "learn" from his Summerslam match and one of the two possible scenarios would happen. The only reason for Rollins interfering is to Cena can take his eyes off Lesnar and focus on Rollins. It's so obvious. Actually I read it as "We can't have guys interfering and ruining our money match. So let's put them in the big cage with a top to make sure we get a decisive winner. And arent we lucky that the pay per view themed after this very match concept is next month?"
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Post by Push R Truth on Sept 22, 2014 13:10:09 GMT -5
For those complaining that other guy needed to look strong or there's no need for a third match HHH lost two straight ppvs to Batista before their HIAC match. HHH was a heel who we know had no basis for requesting a rematch. He had to practically beg. A babyface can't beg for a match he doesn't deserve. It would totally fit his WWE character to hold the entire show hostage and beat a bunch of innocent wrestlers up while he's demanding a rematch... and somehow be portrayed as a heroic babyface the entire time. Cena could walk into a match with Lesnar, give him two thumbs in the eye, club him over the head with a chair and give him a swift kick in the balls and the announcers would play it up like Cena just outsmarted the BEAST to save us all.
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