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Post by CeilingFan on Oct 27, 2014 7:31:00 GMT -5
AMBROSE SHOULD HAVE WON THE FREAKING MATCH!
sorry, but I had to get that out of my system.
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Post by PrinceD on Oct 27, 2014 7:57:41 GMT -5
I enjoyed it...?
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 27, 2014 8:12:55 GMT -5
When it comes to Ambrose/Rollins being the only good thing on TV. I'd day YES and No. It was a GREAT feud, don't get me wrong, but RAW has essentially been the same episode since Night of Champions each week. Everyone/Too Many people tied into the feud. I mean how many variations of Cena and Ambrose vs Rollins/Kane/Orton did we get this past month? The show revolved around one angle which in turn oversaturated what we really wanted to see in Ambrose vs Rollins straight up. No it looks like a lot of feuds will now be heavily featured on RAW. Ambrose/Wyatt. Orton/Rollins Whatever Cena will do as filler with Heyman. Not to mention Rusev's next challenger (Sheamus?) and the happenings of team Hollywood which is starting to take off. Let's be realistic here - Ambrose vs. Rollins was really all they had left barreling towards Survivor Series and the Rumble. Cena/Lesnar part 83 was inevitable, as is the cash-in attempt by Rollins. Ambrose was the wildcard that removed that inevitability/certainty and made every conceivable scenario there entertaining. With Wyatt in the mix to distract Ambrose (and for what purpose, really, than for its own sake?) the one possible positive result might be that Orton turns on Rollins and the Authority - but Orton's face turn has a heel motivation, one which opens up the possibility of Bryan coming back as a heel to counter Orton and the Authority once again on top. I know that many fans here prefer the chickenshit heel champion with the chaser model of booking. I am not one of those. Last night should have been one for sending the crowd home happy - if not winning the match, then Ambrose successfully fighting off the stooges and Kane and leaving them bleeding and unconscious in the ring. It is frustrating to see the same outcome of this gang-up week after week after week, then to pay up to $60 only to see the same thing. To me, this type of booking, of pushing the fans' tempers to their absolute limits and beyond without a payoff, needs to stop. I'm not watching Raw tonight; I just have no interest in whatever pittance WWE decides to throw to the peasants to make up for the fact that they've either hired Vince Russo back or someone like him to continue this garbage. WWE no longer deserves the money it's making. I think the main reason I'm okay with the ending last night (aside from being a huge fan of Wyatt, Ambrose, and Rollins) is that if Dean Ambrose got the clean win and celebrated with the crowd, his feud with Seth Rollins is done. Where do you go from falling off of a cell? We've had the past 5 months of Ambrose and Rollins and I don't see anything wrong with moving on to someone else for a bit. Doesn't mean they hate each other any less, just gives Dean Ambrose someone fresh to face.
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Post by Zach on Oct 27, 2014 8:32:23 GMT -5
I haven't really been watching WWE since around 2003, so I'm not up on whats going on, but I've been trying to watch current PPVs since I have the network, and I thought some of HIAC was good. The first match with Ziggler was awesome, I was just thinking about if there has ever been a 2 out of 3 falls match where someone won the first 2 falls. Anyway my main questions now are:
1. Why isn't Ziggler being pushed, especially since like half the main event guys are injured? He's the only guy on the entire roster I've seen with any charisma whatsoever
2. Haven't Cena and Orton faced each other like 10 million times already? What was even the point of this match? I thought Cena was feuding with Lesnar?
3. Are/were people REALLY paying $54.99 for crap like this EVERY MONTH?! The show was decent but it felt like just watching another random RAW to me. Have WWE's buyrates for PPVs gone way down the crapper over the past 10 years? Because I can't believe many people would be paying that much money to watch this crap. Who is still paying $55 to see Cena and Orton fight for the 10 millionth time?
To expand on my first 2 questions; How is Orton even a main event guy? He has the personality of a block of wood. Coming from someone who hasn't paid any attention to WWE for 10 years, I turn a show on and see Ziggler and immediately think "WTF man this guy is awesome...why has he not had like 5 World Title runs already?!" and I see Orton and think "why is this guy even on here? My dog could cut a better promo than him. He is about as exciting as watching paint dry". What am I missing here?
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 27, 2014 8:39:31 GMT -5
Here is where I get lost tonight. I saw a lot of, "Wow, that was cool. I'm stoked." I saw a lot of, "Wow, that f***ing sucked. I'm out." I seem to be missing all of the, "That was awful and if you liked it you're a miserable WWE apologist". Yet somehow my wires must be getting crossed, because a lot of people who liked it apparently planned for war and came prepared with over defensiveness and unnecessary attacks. I don't get it. In my world "I hated that" doesn't equate to "I hated that and I hate you if you did you idiot". Maybe it's just me. You got to the heart of it. I haven't watched wrestling in about 2 months, I have been checking results though and reading reviews. I was tracking the PPV tonight through a few websites, but when it got to the main event those feeds all kinda stopped. SO I came in to this thread because I knew the FAN folk will keep that play by play to date. The impression I got right off the bat was that the likers were on the defense and expecting to be attacked. Meanwhile the folks who didn't care for it either left a short comment, or they backed up why they didn't like it. The pro side wasn't backing up much of anything. I cannot recall such a one sided thread for a while. One side trumped the other just by showing up. Pro guys, I am glad you liked it, but back it up with why and don't put down the opposition, back up your piece! There's a couple problems that you didn't address though. It's been a common occurrence lately, when someone actually does express a positive opinion on something non Ambrose/Rollins or pro Cena that it's looked at with ridicule and is outright mocked. Hell we actually had an instance where a guy who posted a positve Cena post was called flamebaiting. People who are actually enjoying the show, or the ppv want to jump in and have a discussion about what's going on. How do you have discussion with people who every other post is a description of it like "it disgusts me" or "moronic" or "deserves to go out of business, not deserving of my money". Would you expect to have a decent discussion with people who feel that way. So what happens? People stop posting or only stop in once in a while. I said this before in another thread, but comments were made about how "there's less pages in the RAW thread, lol RAW sucks". Nope. I disagree with that thought. Not that RAW sucks, that's up to ones own opinion. It's that people who might actually be enjoying it stay the hell away from the live thread now. People picking apart the booking like it's a Scorsese flick, (but no problem with the ME match starting last night when Rollins was supposed to be injured and under doctors care because Ambrose, but I digress). It's f***in wrestling, if you want mature coherent stories read a book or watch a movie. Personally I think the reactions are freakin hilarious. If you hate it that much , watch or do something else. If you see the same people constantly bitching about this or that or the other thing when it comes to the show it kinda makes that opinion harder to accept. They are the ones subjecting themselves to something they hate week in and week out. Basically it boils down to people with a positive view are just becoming more aggressive in their posting. Could probably do with less personal attacks on opinions on both sides. If you like the product great, if you don't that's great too. Both sides should be able to come here and post their opinions without feeling like they are going to be attacked for it, and that's been a problem for a couple months now. Step back people it's wrestling.
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Post by mrtuesday on Oct 27, 2014 8:41:07 GMT -5
1. Why isn't Ziggler being pushed, especially since like half the main event guys are injured? He's the only guy on the entire roster I've seen with any charisma whatsoever The last time he was pushed, he got injured... twice. You don't want to put an injure-prone man in such a high-profile position.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 8:56:22 GMT -5
I was really happy with the main event and the finish, because Bray Wyatt is great and I'm glad we're adding someone to the mix at the top of the card. The match itself was really fun and satisfying as a fan, so I wasn't bothered that Ambrose didn't get his win. I thought the finish itself with Bray's slam and Rollins pinning him like 40 seconds later was weak, but I can look past it.
It's not top-level writing or anything, but it was a moment and it had a purpose.
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Post by Zach on Oct 27, 2014 8:56:38 GMT -5
1. Why isn't Ziggler being pushed, especially since like half the main event guys are injured? He's the only guy on the entire roster I've seen with any charisma whatsoever The last time he was pushed, he got injured... twice. You don't want to put an injure-prone man in such a high-profile position. How is everyone getting injured all the time now anyway? Didn't they ban a lot of more dangerous moves with they became PG? Whatever happened to "working hurt"? Or does that not exist anymore since they are on guaranteed contracts instead of being paid per show?
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 27, 2014 9:11:41 GMT -5
The last time he was pushed, he got injured... twice. You don't want to put an injure-prone man in such a high-profile position. How is everyone getting injured all the time now anyway? Didn't they ban a lot of more dangerous moves with they became PG? Whatever happened to "working hurt"? Or does that not exist anymore since they are on guaranteed contracts instead of being paid per show? Mostly boils down to WWE actually keeping injured people out of the ring. Not hurt, slight boo boos are one thing, but legit injured people stay home. No more "eh just got my bell rung I'm fine" nonsense. Guarantee 15 years ago or so Ziggler would have kept wrestling through both concussions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 11:57:00 GMT -5
I really enjoyed this PPV.
Maybe it's because I haven't been watching Raw, but I thought this was a very strong show.
Ziggler and Cesaro was fun, I don't hate Ziggler going over 2 falls in a row, I do wish they'd do something with Cesaro I guess, but it entertained me enough not to really care about the result. I think it's more Ziggler stepping up and having an on night rather than Cesaro sucking and having an off night that they were trying to go for.
The main event was fun and had some awesome visuals, some of the shots were perfect and will be used in video packages for years to come. I really enjoyed that match. The match actually felt like I was watching something important and historic, which isn't a sensation the WWE's programming manages to provide much nowadays. It was less of a wrestling match in the traditional sense and more like something from the Attitude era but adjusted to fit the current day product. I don't see how Bray interfering is any different from Kane interfering in the first one. In fact my first thoughts were ones of excitement at the thought of Bray fueding with Wyatt, perhaps it even turns out Bray has joined the Authority, which could see them doing a modern take on the corporate ministry (hah, one can dream)
Orton V Cena I payed no attention to. The Bellas match was decent enough. AJ V Paige was great, though Paige has her wrestling down well, but her facial expressions and reactions seem almost non existent.
I even enjoyed Rusev V The Big Show, Lana was entertaining as hell all the way through.
The tag match was nice and fast paced and colourful. Sheamus and Miz was entertaining, especially The Mizdow stuff.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 27, 2014 13:03:10 GMT -5
I was actually shocked to see such negative reactions to the ending. I enjoyed it. I'm enjoying that Dean, Seth and Bray, three talented guys who have never been World champion, are trusted to be the main event story and close the show.
Clearly Dean and Seth's story isn't over and I'm looking forward to seeing where WWE goes from here. I haven't been able to say that since Summerslam
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Oct 27, 2014 13:30:38 GMT -5
I was actually shocked to see such negative reactions to the ending. I enjoyed it. I'm enjoying that Dean, Seth and Bray, three talented guys who have never been World champion, are trusted to be the main event story and close the show. I like that Dean and Seth's match was the main event yes, but I don't see what that has to do with liking the ending. To me the ending didn't help either of them, and really makes me less excited as a fan who was pretty excited beforehand.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Oct 27, 2014 13:39:08 GMT -5
I was actually shocked to see such negative reactions to the ending. I enjoyed it. I'm enjoying that Dean, Seth and Bray, three talented guys who have never been World champion, are trusted to be the main event story and close the show. I like that Dean and Seth's match was the main event yes, but I don't see what that has to do with liking the ending. To me the ending didn't help either of them, and really makes me less excited as a fan who was pretty excited beforehand. Fair enough. I did enjoy the ending. Wrestling is full of mad stuff like that, plus I didn't see it coming. They tried something, some liked it, some didn't. I'm willing to believe they have a long-term plan for the three
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Post by nitro on Oct 27, 2014 15:40:25 GMT -5
Where can I find the 15 minutes after-show from HiaC on the Network now?
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Post by PrinceD on Oct 27, 2014 16:00:58 GMT -5
Where can I find the 15 minutes after-show from HiaC on the Network now? It never aired. They just went right into the replay. They were supposed to have an interview with Cena, but apparently that will be saved for RAW tonight.
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