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Nov 6, 2015 17:03:01 GMT -5
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Post by revolver86 on Nov 6, 2015 17:03:01 GMT -5
Finally caught up on this show. It has its issues, but has enough good stuff to keep me watching. But I really have to give props to that kid that played Jerome. I also like the idea that the Joker is an act that slowly gets perfect. Like Jerome is "Helter Skelter" by the Beatles, an idea that gets escalted further until it reaches it's perfect form in the Joker. It takes someone like Batman to inspire the greatest version of a Jerome like entity.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 6, 2015 17:08:14 GMT -5
On a re-watch, two things stand out. This exchange between Harvey and Gordon. Gordon: "Do you believe Galavan?" Harvey: "Questions like that are above my pay grade and below my sense of wonder." Logue is the best actor they have. That is a great line, and he nails it. The other thing is Penguin falling apart when saying "He killed my mother, Jim." Ugh, right in the feels for the bad guy. Gotta give props to Jim's response to Penguin, too. The way he just says "I know" with utter disdain for Galavan while still having to shield him was great. Probably my favorite Gordon delivery since last season's definitive Jim Gordon "Mr. Mayor... kiss my ass".
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Nov 6, 2015 17:31:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 17:31:49 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I don't really like how much they've rushed things with Enygma and Penguin's mother. Personally, I was interested in the rumors of Penguin's father appearing and wanted to see an interaction with the mother. Enygma's stuff is a bummer because I feel they missed the opportunities for more comedic character building into the dark descent. I mean...I just wanted one forced double date to the movies where Ed keeps pointing out how the twists are "too obvious" and being 'that' annoying theater goer. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But, yeah, Penguin's mother was a good character that needed more to do and her death should have been a super berserk button on Penguin beyond just wanting to kill the 'new' Mayor...but man, The March of the Penguins was beyond amazing. Editing: Okay. Another thing. Galavant is a daggone Del Rio of a freaking villain. He's supposed to be a big deal, fairly quick, and it's bumming me out at the very interesting storylines getting dropped simply to shove him in the forefront as the 'super' bad guy. {Spoiler}I think the reason Galavan and his sister are such terrible villains is that they really don't have much in the way of character. Okay, so they want to kill Bruce Wayne and take his company and.........then what? They're pretty shallow.
Penguin is a momma's boy with a passion for hardcore indie music, fine booze and even finer suits whose morality is far from black-and-white villainy. Selina is an independent and willful anti-heroine who will work for just about anyone if she thinks it can further her goals. Fish was a rebellious vassal who had intricate relationships with the GCPD and the other bosses as she waged her war to win control of Gotham. Galavan, by comparison, has very little. He doesn't even care about being Mayor of Gotham other than to use his power to go after Bruce as part of some old rivalry, and he's...a cultist? Okay then.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 6, 2015 19:21:55 GMT -5
I want Galavan to die horribly, But Tabitha can stay.....She's hot.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 6, 2015 21:58:41 GMT -5
The show continues to frustrate me with its pacing and some unlikable or borderline unwatchable characters. {Spoiler}Ed's descent into madness and becoming the Riddler should be an A-plot. Cory Michael Smith has been knocking it out of the park, and they could have easily built season two or three around him the way they built season one around Penguin.
Similarly, Gordon not only catching onto Galavan but also letting him know has been frustratingly swift, and idiotic from a character standpoint. Gordon knows Galavan's not on the level, so rather than quietly investigate him and wait for him to slip up he confronts him and simultaneously puts him on his guard and paints a target on his own back. Did he learn nothing from how things played out the last time he went up against corrupt people in positions of power?
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Nov 6, 2015 23:05:33 GMT -5
The show continues to frustrate me with its pacing and some unlikable or borderline unwatchable characters. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ed's descent into madness and becoming the Riddler should be an A-plot. Cory Michael Smith has been knocking it out of the park, and they could have easily built season two or three around him the way they built season one around Penguin.
Similarly, Gordon not only catching onto Galavan but also letting him know has been frustratingly swift, and idiotic from a character standpoint. Gordon knows Galavan's not on the level, so rather than quietly investigate him and wait for him to slip up he confronts him and simultaneously puts him on his guard and paints a target on his own back. Did he learn nothing from how things played out the last time he went up against corrupt people in positions of power? Sadly, you've given more thought to this than the writing staff has.
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Nov 6, 2015 23:47:29 GMT -5
Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 6, 2015 23:47:29 GMT -5
The show continues to frustrate me with its pacing and some unlikable or borderline unwatchable characters. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Ed's descent into madness and becoming the Riddler should be an A-plot. Cory Michael Smith has been knocking it out of the park, and they could have easily built season two or three around him the way they built season one around Penguin.
Similarly, Gordon not only catching onto Galavan but also letting him know has been frustratingly swift, and idiotic from a character standpoint. Gordon knows Galavan's not on the level, so rather than quietly investigate him and wait for him to slip up he confronts him and simultaneously puts him on his guard and paints a target on his own back. Did he learn nothing from how things played out the last time he went up against corrupt people in positions of power? Sadly, you've given more thought to this than the writing staff has. {Spoiler}Certainly on the latter point I can understand why they've set it up the way they have. Having the cop and his target being aware of each other's intentions is a long-running trope, but we've already seen it in the first season with Gordon vs. Commissioner Loeb/Mayor James.
Why not have Galavan play Gordon for a fool, and have the dramatic tension come from Penguin trying to get through to him while trying to avoid Gordon bringing him down? Or hey, here's a novel idea - shine some of the limelight on Bullock for once and have him get suspicious, work behind Gordon's back to expose Galavan while Jim's concentrating on Penguin and the occasional villain of the week, and then have them finally come together to take Galavan down.
So much wasted potential, man. It speaks volumes that Kevin Smith, a man who has his own Batman podcast, gave up on the show midway through season one.
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Nov 9, 2015 20:55:36 GMT -5
Post by RKTaker on Nov 9, 2015 20:55:36 GMT -5
Major spoiler from tonight {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Barbara may be dead
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Gotham
Nov 9, 2015 20:57:56 GMT -5
Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 9, 2015 20:57:56 GMT -5
Major spoiler from tonight {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Barbara may be dead {Spoiler}If she is, she won't be missed.
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Nov 9, 2015 22:20:42 GMT -5
Post by SHAKEMASTER TV9 is Don Knotts on Nov 9, 2015 22:20:42 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Barbara's alive. Bah Gawd she's broken in half, but she's alive. They showed her after the commercial break.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 9, 2015 22:25:39 GMT -5
Barbara's alive. Bah Gawd she's broken in half, but she's alive. They showed her after the commercial break. {Spoiler}
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Nov 9, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 9, 2015 22:26:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Haven't seen the episode yet but it would surprise me if they did actually killed off Barbara at this point. She has too many unresolved sub-plots floating around for them to just kill her off right now.
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Post by Cela on Nov 10, 2015 3:29:24 GMT -5
Going into commercial break: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Returning from commercial break: OH GOD FRIKKIN DAMN IT!
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Gotham
Nov 10, 2015 10:58:22 GMT -5
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Post by madness50 on Nov 10, 2015 10:58:22 GMT -5
Interesting episode last night. The ending really could open up something interesting in the Nygma storyline.
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Gotham
Nov 10, 2015 17:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by sfvega on Nov 10, 2015 17:02:50 GMT -5
I have an unhealthy love for this show this season. Having said that, this episode stunk IMO. The Nygma story was just silly. The Barbara storyline seemed forced and lame. The whole episode just felt like filler. I get that Barbara and Jim were headed for another showdown, but that whole thing seemed dumb. He knows that it's a trap, but goes along with it anyway. The captain knows it's a trap and he's got tons of clout from being head of the police union, but gets supported with one vehicle and like 6-8 officers? The captain also doesn't say a word when Jim decks Galavan before arresting him. Such a by the book hardass! The only thing worthwhile was the ending with Nygma and Penguin.
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Nov 10, 2015 18:35:45 GMT -5
Post by Cela on Nov 10, 2015 18:35:45 GMT -5
I think they could have used a better actor for Galavant. Or at least a better writer. They've made him the least convincing wolf in sheep's clothing, and yet all the characters go along with it. Grumble.
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Gotham
Nov 10, 2015 22:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by mysterydriver on Nov 10, 2015 22:40:01 GMT -5
I think they could have used a better actor for Galavant. Or at least a better writer. They've made him the least convincing wolf in sheep's clothing, and yet all the characters go along with it. Grumble. The man comes off, to me, like Eric Roberts without subtlety. Imagine that. This last episode felt super filler-y. Especially with the Barbara story going legitimately nowhere beyond verbalizing the silent story of Gordon being in a bizarre love triangle between Barbara's pre-insanity self and Lee's awkward coroner sensibilities. The arc with Enygma is frustratingly pedal to the medal but at least the actor is darn good. Did I mention that I was happy Gabriel showed back up last episode? I need some more side characters hanging around, making the show feel like a world. And...does anyone assume that folder contained a big letter that said "HAHA! You idiot!"
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Gotham
Nov 10, 2015 23:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Nov 10, 2015 23:18:25 GMT -5
After thinking about it, I don't really like how much they've rushed things with Enygma and Penguin's mother. Personally, I was interested in the rumors of Penguin's father appearing and wanted to see an interaction with the mother. Enygma's stuff is a bummer because I feel they missed the opportunities for more comedic character building into the dark descent. I mean...I just wanted one forced double date to the movies where Ed keeps pointing out how the twists are "too obvious" and being 'that' annoying theater goer. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But, yeah, Penguin's mother was a good character that needed more to do and her death should have been a super berserk button on Penguin beyond just wanting to kill the 'new' Mayor...but man, The March of the Penguins was beyond amazing. Editing: Okay. Another thing. Galavant is a daggone Del Rio of a freaking villain. He's supposed to be a big deal, fairly quick, and it's bumming me out at the very interesting storylines getting dropped simply to shove him in the forefront as the 'super' bad guy. Amen. It's funny. I actually have thought of Galavan as Del Rio too. He's just so boring. He is a 2D villain in a a show full of actual fleshed out characters. My hope is his arc ends soon and brutally so they can explore Indian hill or whatever the f*** was happening on the island with the doll maker or more Penguin or anything but this waste of time.
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Post by revolver86 on Nov 17, 2015 12:55:46 GMT -5
Bump for last night's awesome episode. Loved the plot with the hitmen going after Gordon. Chiklis' speech was wonderfully acting. Flamingo was creepy as hell. My god, the Nygma/Penguin team up was even better than expected.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Nov 17, 2015 13:24:23 GMT -5
Just finished last night's episode, and I have to say I continue loving this series. As someone whose favorite Batman character is Jim Gordon, Ben McKenzie is sincerely my favorite live action portrayal of the character ever. He just GETS it. Every episode that goes by, he becomes more and more like the mustached, glasses-wearing Gordon we all know and love. Fantastic writing and a stellar job understanding his character from McKenzie.
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