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Post by revolverjgw on Oct 18, 2014 3:56:40 GMT -5
Anyone but Slaughter. He sucked as a heel. ........but for people my age (and around it, I guess), Sgt. Slaughter was GI JOE. And THAT made him a bad heel - that he was a good American hero guy, and then suddenly..............an Iraqi. I watched the 1987 GI Joe movie a million times, had his action figure with the Warthog AIFV, saw his appearances on the Super Mario Bros. Super Show... so as a kid, I really felt totally betrayed when he turned heel (and I'm not even American!). This guy hung around with the GI Joes AND the Mario brothers, I mean god damn, he may as well have been Jesus Christ himself. He definitely got nuclear heat with me and Hogan taking him out at WM7 was cathartic. Which makes it hard for me to be objective about this feud. It cut deep, man. So deep that I didn't even let his action figure go near my awesome Mobile Command Center playset with the rest of my GI Joes who weren't evil traitors.
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Post by jason1980s on Oct 18, 2014 8:59:10 GMT -5
I think the heel turn would have meant more if it had been done while he was an active competitor, rather than returning several years later and going into heel mode.
I also think it would've meant more in the mid 80s and possibly just a few years later in the New Generation era.
Like Bob Backlund, Slaughter was a big name in the early 80s in WWF but commentators tried making them into a major deal when they returned and having not been in WWF for years, it didn't go over so quickly.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 20, 2014 3:44:48 GMT -5
It should have been Hogan VS. The Warlord, dammit!
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Post by James Fabiano on Oct 20, 2014 8:46:09 GMT -5
I've always said it should have been Warrior vs Hogan 2 in that 100 seat arena. Just 100? This is the kind of thing Bizarro Hogan would say. (similarly, he'd also say how Andre was just 220 pounds) But even when I was young, I found it odd that they wouldn't do Hogan/Warrior 2, as I thought that would get lots of people into the LA Coliseum easy. Then again I didn't pay attention to how much money people drew and etc, of course. As such, I didn't know the problems with Warrior on top. Hogan vs. Sarge wasn't a bad match by any means though. And how was the Iraqi War exploitation different from wrestling Nazis, Iron Sheik capitalizing on the Iran hostage situation, etc.?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 9:03:06 GMT -5
How long was Slaughter in WWF before getting the title? Did he just show up and go after Warrior or did he have a small feud with Volkoff first? He showed up between Summerslam and Survivor Series '90 as I recall and had an intro feud with Volkoff. Slaughter took out nearly the whole opposing team (including Nikolai) at Survivor Series, except for Tito. They pushed him pretty good and made him look pretty legit going into Rumble '91. He was at SSlam '90, I think (meaning he officially returned there or returned on TV just before it?) -- unless I'm completely making up a Brother Love in-ring segment with Sarge at that PPV (which wouldn't be shocking because just typing it sounds delusional ) .............I'm sorry, I just can't get off the subject. They REALLY never mentioned anything about GI Joe during his WWF career. He had an instant face following because of it, and that easily segues into a patriotic face character, yet he returned running with his pre-Joe character (harsh paramilitary guy who can work as a heel because he's so mean) with the assumption only that kids loved him because he was a soldier wrestler. Vince is a devious brilliant bastard.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 20, 2014 9:26:58 GMT -5
He showed up between Summerslam and Survivor Series '90 as I recall and had an intro feud with Volkoff. Slaughter took out nearly the whole opposing team (including Nikolai) at Survivor Series, except for Tito. They pushed him pretty good and made him look pretty legit going into Rumble '91. He was at SSlam '90, I think (meaning he officially returned there or returned on TV just before it?) -- unless I'm completely making up a Brother Love in-ring segment with Sarge at that PPV (which wouldn't be shocking because just typing it sounds delusional ) He did show up at Summerslam 1990 he gave Brother Love the Greatest American Award and insulted the fans for being weak and cheering for the enemy directed towards Nikolai Volkoff who was a face at the time.
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Post by Boo! on Oct 20, 2014 10:17:46 GMT -5
I've always said it should have been Warrior vs Hogan 2 in that 100 seat arena. Just 100? This is the kind of thing Bizarro Hogan would say. (similarly, he'd also say how Andre was just 220 pounds) But even when I was young, I found it odd that they wouldn't do Hogan/Warrior 2, as I thought that would get lots of people into the LA Coliseum easy. Then again I didn't pay attention to how much money people drew and etc, of course. As such, I didn't know the problems with Warrior on top. Hogan vs. Sarge wasn't a bad match by any means though. And how was the Iraqi War exploitation different from wrestling Nazis, Iron Sheik capitalizing on the Iran hostage situation, etc.? I don't think they did with the hostage crisis, did they? Sheik got the strap but not for three years after it was finished. When you have audience members with family fighting at the time it's very different
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 20, 2014 10:23:25 GMT -5
It's funny how Hogan-Slaughter actually ended up a decent match.
I think Hogan deserves a lot of credit there, he seemed determined to drag it into something worthwhile despite the limitations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 10:39:22 GMT -5
It's funny how Hogan-Slaughter actually ended up a decent match. I think Hogan deserves a lot of credit there, he seemed determined to drag it into something worthwhile despite the limitations. I don't see that it was Hogan who had to drag Slaughter through anything. Slaughter wasn't bad. He was no Randy Savage or Bret Hart but he could pull his weight in there.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Oct 20, 2014 15:24:06 GMT -5
Yeah, Sarge could do his part in a brawl.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 20, 2014 17:00:25 GMT -5
Not for years before or after he couldn't, though. He was in a godawful run of form. The prime Sarge, you bet...not the '91 guy.
Hogan gave up a ton of offense, sold big, bled and worked the crowd huge. He didn't do it with a broomstick but I know who I feel did more to make the match.
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Post by froggyfrog on Oct 21, 2014 1:42:58 GMT -5
I have nothing to contribute since I still had a few months until I turned 1 at this point, but I wanted to say this is a good thread.
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