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Post by Sephiroth on Oct 25, 2014 9:23:53 GMT -5
Straight assessment: I think Havok would do well in NXT. I doubt she'd be ON TOP of the women's division like she is being booked in TNA, but I can absolutely see her having a place there. I'm the first to admit that Havok has certain limitations; she needs to either work a rough, hardcore kind of style, or she needs an opponent who is a high-flyer or mat technician to keep the match from getting dull. And there is plenty of such talent in NXT, a number of whom have worked with her in the past and probably have a pretty solid package routine down with her already. I could potentially even see an occasional inter-gender match in NXT, something that will NEVER happen in TNA or on the main roster-and which Havok already has a record of being pretty good at. Heck, her most notable opponent for such a situation-Sami Zayn, is right there! So yeah, I think Havok would fit in NXT without many problems.
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Post by Jiren on Oct 25, 2014 9:45:59 GMT -5
I could see her be something like Paige's bodyguard or something.
But this is WWE she'll be jobbing to A.J all the time
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 13:17:36 GMT -5
I could see her be something like Paige's bodyguard or something. But this is WWE she'll be jobbing to A.J all the time Jessicka could easily fill Tamina's old role. I'd actually like to see them turn Lee full-on heel and do AJ/Jessicka in the vein of the old Michaels/Diesel feud, except for with AJ being the underdog face after her bodyguard realizes she doesn't need her and turns on her. It would give us Jessicka as a proxy for AJ in her feud with Paige leading to a Paige/AJ blowoff, a face turn from AJ and eventually AJ vs Jessicka. There's another thread going about possibly bringing in Saraya to team with Paige... She would fit in perfectly into the feud. A mix of AJ/Havok vs Paige/Saraya until the final blow-off match above, maybe with Havok writing off Saraya just before turning on AJ. It wouldn't happen in today's WWE, but I'd still like to see it.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 25, 2014 13:22:55 GMT -5
Hell no. If WWE really wanted a monster diva they'd give Kong a call. Don't need the budget version coming in.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 25, 2014 13:27:05 GMT -5
she's no Old Blue Pants
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:10:41 GMT -5
Hell no. If WWE really wanted a monster diva they'd give Kong a call. Don't need the budget version coming in. The difference there being Kong's a bit past her prime now and Jessicka, while not quite at Kong's level, has a much higher upside, is much closer to WWE's "model" look when not in her current gimmick and is a good 10 years younger. So, no comparison really... But yeah, other than that they're exactly the same -.-
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 25, 2014 14:25:10 GMT -5
Hell no. If WWE really wanted a monster diva they'd give Kong a call. Don't need the budget version coming in. The difference there being Kong's a bit past her prime now and Jessicka, while not quite at Kong's level, has a much higher upside, is much closer to WWE's "model" look when not in her current gimmick and is a good 10 years younger. So, no comparison really... But yeah, other than that they're exactly the same -.- Ok I'll go to the serious answer then. No because I don't feel she's really any good. She's been booked into mediocrity in TNA, part of that on them and part on her for her less than stellar performances sans Gail Kim. They aren't going to risk their reality show women working with her either. Honestly I feel her look and gimmick are awful and I really don't want her thundering into NXT making stupid faces at the camera after she takes her gas mask off. I could honestly be assed looking into her indy matches, because she just doesn't interest me at all. The question was would I rather see her in NXT instead of TNA? Hell no. Let her stay there, they need all the help they can get. If someone flipping channels IF they get a TV deal next year happens upon TNA when she's on, they might stick around on that channel if they see her. IDK that's about the only positive I got for her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:43:22 GMT -5
The difference there being Kong's a bit past her prime now and Jessicka, while not quite at Kong's level, has a much higher upside, is much closer to WWE's "model" look when not in her current gimmick and is a good 10 years younger. So, no comparison really... But yeah, other than that they're exactly the same -.- Ok I'll go to the serious answer then. No because I don't feel she's really any good. She's been booked into mediocrity in TNA, part of that on them and part on her for her less than stellar performances sans Gail Kim. They aren't going to risk their reality show women working with her either. Honestly I feel her look and gimmick are awful and I really don't want her thundering into NXT making stupid faces at the camera after she takes her gas mask off. I could honestly be assed looking into her indy matches, because she just doesn't interest me at all. The question was would I rather see her in NXT instead of TNA? Hell no. Let her stay there, they need all the help they can get. If someone flipping channels IF they get a TV deal next year happens upon TNA when she's on, they might stick around on that channel if they see her. IDK that's about the only positive I got for her. It seems to me your issue is her gimmick and the fact that she's not good enough to pull good matches out of the likes of Velvet Sky... Both of those would be non-issues if she went to NXT. Judging Havok on her TNA time only is like judging a Sting or Samoa Joe only on his. It's absolutely unfair. As far as the "stupid faces" thing goes, I disagree, but when she's not pulling them she looks great:
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 25, 2014 14:47:51 GMT -5
Having checked out some of her TNA matches...she's terrible. And I don't even think you can blame TNA for it.
Is it just assumed that any woman with a unique look is talented or something?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:52:13 GMT -5
Having checked out some of her TNA matches...she's terrible. And I don't even think you can blame TNA for it. Is it just assumed that any woman with a unique look is talented or something? See my previous post. And no, it's not just assumed. Havok isn't the best wrestler, but she's not bad at all, and not nearly as horrible as her TNA tenure would make her seem. Her faults actually seem to be of the sort that NXT could easily help her iron out.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 25, 2014 14:52:48 GMT -5
Ok I'll go to the serious answer then. No because I don't feel she's really any good. She's been booked into mediocrity in TNA, part of that on them and part on her for her less than stellar performances sans Gail Kim. They aren't going to risk their reality show women working with her either. Honestly I feel her look and gimmick are awful and I really don't want her thundering into NXT making stupid faces at the camera after she takes her gas mask off. I could honestly be assed looking into her indy matches, because she just doesn't interest me at all. The question was would I rather see her in NXT instead of TNA? Hell no. Let her stay there, they need all the help they can get. If someone flipping channels IF they get a TV deal next year happens upon TNA when she's on, they might stick around on that channel if they see her. IDK that's about the only positive I got for her. It seems to me your issue is her gimmick and the fact that she's not good enough to pull good matches out of the likes of Velvet Sky... Both of those would be non-issues if she went to NXT. Judging Havok on her TNA time only is like judging a Sting or Samoa Joe only on his. It's absolutely unfair. As far as the "stupid faces" thing goes, I disagree, but when she's not pulling them she looks great: No my issue is I don't find her enjoyable in any way. I don't enjoy her matches, I don't find her attractive, her gimmick is terrible, don't need to see a Diva who's best attribute is big. I really don't want to hear the unique look thing either. TNA has a one legged veteran wrestler. Am I supposed to enjoy him too, due to his unique look? No ulterior motive, nothing to look into. Just don't like her and want her on NXT. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:55:13 GMT -5
A few years ago I'd have loved her on NXT but for other, non-wrestling reasons, I am fine with her in TNA at best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 14:57:25 GMT -5
It seems to me your issue is her gimmick and the fact that she's not good enough to pull good matches out of the likes of Velvet Sky... Both of those would be non-issues if she went to NXT. Judging Havok on her TNA time only is like judging a Sting or Samoa Joe only on his. It's absolutely unfair. As far as the "stupid faces" thing goes, I disagree, but when she's not pulling them she looks great: No my issue is I don't find her enjoyable in any way. I don't enjoy her matches, I don't find her attractive, her gimmick is terrible, don't need to see a Diva who's best attribute is big. I really don't want to hear the unique look thing either. TNA has a one legged veteran wrestler. Am I supposed to enjoy him too, due to his unique look? No ulterior motive, nothing to look into. Just don't like her and want her on NXT. Period. What's with the "unique look" argument? I never said, hinted, inferred or implied that you should enjoy her just because of her look. In fact I said the opposite. That WWE would take that gimmick away most likely. I was just pointing out that she's not nearly as bad as her TNA tenure would lead you to believe, that she's more than just "big" and that NXT would help her heaps. You not liking her has nothing to do with those points, or hell, the thread really. My point was "Yes, I would rather see her in NXT", and I gave my reasons why.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Oct 25, 2014 15:02:24 GMT -5
It's got to be a matter of time before they sign Athena, right? Her vs. Naomi is a dream match I'd take over most of the men in wrestling today.
I don't think Havok would work. Even the NXT girls like Bayley and Becky Lynch are miles ahead of her from what I've seen.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 25, 2014 15:04:46 GMT -5
No my issue is I don't find her enjoyable in any way. I don't enjoy her matches, I don't find her attractive, her gimmick is terrible, don't need to see a Diva who's best attribute is big. I really don't want to hear the unique look thing either. TNA has a one legged veteran wrestler. Am I supposed to enjoy him too, due to his unique look? No ulterior motive, nothing to look into. Just don't like her and want her on NXT. Period. What's with the "unique look" argument? I never said, hinted, inferred or implied that you should enjoy her just because of her look. In fact I said the opposite. That WWE would take that gimmick away most likely. I was just pointing out that she's not nearly as bad as her TNA tenure would lead you to believe, that she's more than just "big" and that NXT would help her heaps. You not liking her has nothing to do with those points, or hell, the thread really. My point was "Yes, I would rather see her in NXT", and I gave my reasons why. As I gave mine and was just stressing how much I really don't want to see her in NXT. Only reason I stressed it as much as I did was to hopefully stop the "well it appears you don't like her gimmick or ability to have a good match with Velvet Sky" discussion. I really just don't want to see her on NXT as it would detract from my enjoyment of the show. She's closing in on 30 and been doing this for 10 years now. I really just think she is what she is at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 15:13:53 GMT -5
What's with the "unique look" argument? I never said, hinted, inferred or implied that you should enjoy her just because of her look. In fact I said the opposite. That WWE would take that gimmick away most likely. I was just pointing out that she's not nearly as bad as her TNA tenure would lead you to believe, that she's more than just "big" and that NXT would help her heaps. You not liking her has nothing to do with those points, or hell, the thread really. My point was "Yes, I would rather see her in NXT", and I gave my reasons why. As I gave mine and was just stressing how much I really don't want to see her in NXT. Only reason I stressed it as much as I did was to hopefully stop the "well it appears you don't like her gimmick or ability to have a good match with Velvet Sky" discussion. I really just don't want to see her on NXT as it would detract from my enjoyment of the show. She's closing in on 30 and been doing this for 10 years now. I really just think she is what she is at this point. I still think NXT could help refine her a bit, but fair enough. When it comes to you saying "she's been doing this 10 years now" and "she is what she is at this point" though, I have to point out that you've never seen any of her matches from the past 10 years to have any sort of point for comparison. You're only judging her on her TNA tenure, which has admittedly been really lackluster. What you're saying is akin to "Vader sucks and didn't deserve his chance because I didn't like what he did in WWE. I can't be bothered looking up anything he did before that though..."
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 25, 2014 15:31:31 GMT -5
As I gave mine and was just stressing how much I really don't want to see her in NXT. Only reason I stressed it as much as I did was to hopefully stop the "well it appears you don't like her gimmick or ability to have a good match with Velvet Sky" discussion. I really just don't want to see her on NXT as it would detract from my enjoyment of the show. She's closing in on 30 and been doing this for 10 years now. I really just think she is what she is at this point. I still think NXT could help refine her a bit, but fair enough. When it comes to you saying "she's been doing this 10 years now" and "she is what she is at this point" though, I have to point out that you've never seen any of her matches from the past 10 years to have any sort of point for comparison. You're only judging her on her TNA tenure, which has admittedly been really lackluster. What you're saying is akin to "Vader sucks and didn't deserve his chance because I didn't like what he did in WWE. I can't be bothered looking up anything he did before that though..." Just going to say this and I'm done because this is getting dragged out and a bit old. It has nothing to do with Vader sucking because for obvious reasons I could flip on tbs and watch Vader for years. I could very easily make a determination if this guy was any good by sitting back and pushing a button on my remote on a nationally televised program, before he even got to WWE. Can I do this with her? No. Do I know she has 10 years of history behind her? Yes. Do I find her a compelling enough character or wrestler to spend the time to look into that history? Nope. Am I going on what I've seen out of her that's on a TV program? Yes I typed out a long rant and deleted it, not at you, but in general about indy wrestlers and expectations when they make the "big shows" but deleted it for another time. Lets just say that when it comes to wrestlers getting the call to the TV feds, maybe we should be using some tempered optimism concerning these guys. Not everyone is going to be the next big thing and not everyone is going to make it.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Oct 25, 2014 15:32:38 GMT -5
I don't think she has what the WWE looks for in DIVAs.
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Post by Woo on Oct 25, 2014 19:22:46 GMT -5
Having checked out some of her TNA matches...she's terrible. And I don't even think you can blame TNA for it. Is it just assumed that any woman with a unique look is talented or something? No, but it is assumed that any woman with talent has talent. Havok is a good wrestler. Someone said that Becky Lynch is better than her. Well obviously. Becky Lynch is one of the best female wrestlers of the last 10 years... and she spent most of that time being injured or retired.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Oct 25, 2014 20:39:34 GMT -5
NO cause she is unsafe and I don't want her injuring Bayley or Sasha Banks.
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