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Post by King Boo on Oct 28, 2014 18:39:24 GMT -5
You're misunderstanding what I said. I'm all for people being nice and greeting each other. Hell, I do it all the time. I'm big on hellos, smiles and waves. But I do it to whomever - not just the people I find attractive. I'd wager that the majority of these people are only doing it to her because they think she's pretty. You can see they're not greeting anyone else on the street, just her. I didn't say it was something to cower and hide from - I find it mainly eye roll worthy, myself - but everyone involved knows why the greeting is happening. Especially when it comes out like "hey beautiful." You're going to tell me the motivation isn't specifically because of how the person looks? Now, take how it may make a woman feel hearing it and multiply it by 100. Do you not see how it may start to feel like a nuisance? Again, not necessarily a dangerous one, but a still a nuisance? If you look at it specifically in semantics, yea it's nice. But other things considered, it isn't always just someone being nice.I get that as long as you get that it isn't always someone trying to specifically harass a person either. How do we differentiate the two? Well, the only real way is if nobody ever said anything to each other. I know that a lot of women get harassed quite a bit. Maybe I'm just not familiar with it as much because where I'm from I don't see it nearly as much I guess that's my bad then. Sometimes I just like to say hi to people. Sometimes I like to say hi to a pretty girl and it''s nice if she says hi back to me. If there's some form of underlying harassment there, just know that is not my intention. Overall, I'm sorry that so many women are harassed so badly that we even need to argue about this. It's in the nuances. Words chosen ("hey beautiful"), tone, body language (leering as opposed to a smile and/or polite nod). Is it possible to get it wrong? Yea, sure. We're not mind readers. But just as not every greeting is meant to be taken poorly, not every one is innocent, either. It's also just a gender thing. There are things that are going to happen to women and not men (and vice versa, I'm sure), and stuff we become acutely aware of. I find the dismissive tone some people have regarding this frustrating. Speaking only for myself, I don't think I've said anything outrageous and have been fair the entire time. If I can understand the differences that make my explanations necessary, then the least other people can do is try to listen to what's being said.
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Post by Evil Homer on Oct 28, 2014 18:40:43 GMT -5
Ehh most of that wasn't harassment. There's nothing wrong with seeing someone on the street and saying have a good night or good morning. I was born and raised in NYC , I've walked through the boroughs many many times- Never not once has someone randomly wished me a good day /night. This only happened to her because she a was reasonably attractive female. I know there are places where people will randomly say things like , Great weather we are having, or Good evening or good morning - NYC generally is not one of those places. That is some bs at the end though , donate to a charity to end cat calling ?
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 28, 2014 18:44:51 GMT -5
There is A LOT wrong with a total stranger saying "Hi Beautiful." You don't just approach someone in a public place when they're clearly on their way to do something and draw attention to both them and yourself. If you want to be friendly, look someone in the eye and smile. If they want to reciprocate the gesture and/or expand communication, they will. It's up to them. Otherwise, they don't owe you anything, and to aggravate further is intrusive and, therefore, harassment. I don't disagree with that. I don't even have a problem with the point or the cause the video is for. I do have a problem with a couple things though. To me that video is a bag of shit wrapped up in a cause. This was a video, made by a NPO to drum up donations. Of course it's safe to assume that this was the worst of the lot. Sensationalism for the sake of donations. Like another poster said already also. Sometimes that's the way things go in NYC. A small greeting like that is just to get your attention to get some money off you. Not an uncommon thing. I'm in the city (well was till I left my job last week...)every week at least for the past 11 plus years. I'm a rather tall individual. Do I get comments from random passerby's. Of course I do. Some greetings like she was, some smart ass comments about the weather up there or some stupid shit. I'm also in a mixed racial marriage so those ignorant comments are a blast to live through when my wife is with me. Were some of the comments creepy. Of course they were, they were uncalled for. Well unfortunately, when you walk around the most culturally diverse and largest populated city in the United States for 10 hours you are gonna run across some scumbags. You can't legistlate crazy, you can't legislate stupid. Unfortunately sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and deal with things no matter how much you may or may not like them or how it makes you feel.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 28, 2014 18:51:02 GMT -5
I get spoken to all the time in the streets, hello, good mornings, have a nice days, and all the other normal everyday greetings from BOTH genders. From people in all walks in life. Now some of that, yeah it's creepy bullshit, there's lots of creepy bullshit going on in the world every day. That's not saying it's right but there IS much much worse social injustices happening on those New York streets every single day of the calender. Now can we stop this crap and put this social justice bullshit to bed please? ... no. Why do you not want to stop creepy bullshit? Just because there's worse doesn't mean its fine. Of course it doesn't but it does mean that I'm going to treat the worse with a lot more priority and severity. No one likes a creep but not all of these instances are people being creepy. It's straight up bullshit to make a video about being a "woman in NY" and vilify a gender based on this video. Its normal in England to say hello to strangers when you pass them on the street....wait a second that old man today that said "terrible weather" was HARASSING ME. CALL THE HARASSMENT POLICE. SAVE ME WHITE KNIGHTS SAVE ME! Someone wants to talk to me, I have every right to tell them to shove their weather opinions up their dickhole. Its not up to you determine what people feel comfortable with from people on the street and what they don't. And they have every right to talk to you in the first place. Oh and also call you a c*** if you react to them that way. It's not up to you to determine if a person is allowed to attempt to engage you or speak to you, that's life. I understand that you want everything to be all about you and your feelings and "rah-rah fight the power" to everything else but the sooner that people learn it doesn't work that way the better. There is creepy men and women out there, there are men and women out there who are being polite or nice or trying to brighten someones day with a kind word. THERE ALWAYS WILL BE. And no amount of wrongly placed outrage of furore on the internet is going to change that.
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Post by Evil Homer on Oct 28, 2014 18:52:32 GMT -5
Random Thought: I wonder what it would be like as a man if a bunch a random women started cat-calling me on the streets? To be honest, I guess I'd feel flattered. But I'm pretty sure there is a deeper pretense with women in that situation that would make them not feel flattered *shrugs* buzzfeed touched on that subject www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8uOErVShiEand for the topic at hand www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUJ24mblCLY
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 28, 2014 18:54:16 GMT -5
The donation thing seems odd though; no program is gonna end that. Decided to look up the charity. It appears to work an information and advice center but it also has an app that allows people to document any experiences they encounter in real time, both to council members and other app users. So if they are nearby they can intervene or if an area has a particualrly bad history with harassment.
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Post by fw91 on Oct 28, 2014 18:54:46 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong this video has creeps, Most of these people are asking for money. I walk around all the time, and people say stuff like good morning and god bless you, and I'm not a good looking girl. They want money. Just like this girl wants for her bullshit cause. Seriously donate money to end "street harassment?" And if they weren't asking for money, they just want to show that they are friendly. She has a right to feel uncomfortable, but she is blowing it WAY out of proportion, once I saw the ad to donate money.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 28, 2014 18:56:35 GMT -5
Ehh most of that wasn't harassment. There's nothing wrong with seeing someone on the street and saying have a good night or good morning. I was born and raised in NYC , I've walked through the boroughs many many times- Never not once has someone randomly wished me a good day /night. This only happened to her because she a was reasonably attractive female. I know there are places where people will randomly say things like , Great weather we are having, or Good evening or good morning - NYC generally is not one of those places. That is some bs at the end though , donate to a charity to end cat calling ? I'm from North Jersey, spent tons of time in the various boroughs of NYC, and it's the same for me. You don't get "good morning" or anything from anybody, except in rare cases where you're interacting in some way (e.g. you hold the door open for somebody while going into a store). I can't begin to imagine it, but it happens to the women I know around my neighborhood all the time. As for the donation at the end, I have to research the group more to see what they do, but for now they seem like a group that's there to raise awareness. As illustrated by a few comments here, a lot of folks don't have any idea whatsoever what this is like. Still, yeah, I'd be interested in seeing what they have in mind for any money they bring in. Honestly, for me, I take being able to walk through a crowded city with nobody making comments at me to be a major privilege. I LIKE that I get to choose if I want some alone time, and that's partly how we're socially wired around here and partly a human desire to have the freedom of interaction (or lack thereof) with other people. Even a possibly well-meaning "good evening" is an intrusion, I'm sorry, unless you come from a place where that's standard, accepted behavior by all people regardless of gender/gender role. Want to talk in a social setting, like a bar or whatever? That's more socially accepted. Walking the street? I'd rather be left alone...and I GET to be left alone, since I'm a fairly average appearing guy. I do think it's a very interesting thing to see people react to this stuff by effectively saying "your feelings are invalid" to some of these women. "Oh, my greeting you clearly because you're an attractive woman, and you being annoyed at the invasion of your privacy and the fact that you've been catcalled a million times this week already, is something that bothers you? NO IT SHOULDN'T BE." EDIT: Where, exactly, are some of you guys getting that most of these guys just want money? Did you actually watch this thing? I've been hit up for money tons of times, never, ever like that.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 19:00:04 GMT -5
There is A LOT wrong with a total stranger saying "Hi Beautiful." You don't just approach someone in a public place when they're clearly on their way to do something and draw attention to both them and yourself. If you want to be friendly, look someone in the eye and smile. If they want to reciprocate the gesture and/or expand communication, they will. It's up to them. Otherwise, they don't owe you anything, and to aggravate further is intrusive and, therefore, harassment. I don't disagree with that. I don't even have a problem with the point or the cause the video is for. I do have a problem with a couple things though. To me that video is a bag of shit wrapped up in a cause. This was a video, made by a NPO to drum up donations. Of course it's safe to assume that this was the worst of the lot. Sensationalism for the sake of donations. Like another poster said already also. Sometimes that's the way things go in NYC. A small greeting like that is just to get your attention to get some money off you. Not an uncommon thing. I'm in the city (well was till I left my job last week...)every week at least for the past 11 plus years. I'm a rather tall individual. Do I get comments from random passerby's. Of course I do. Some greetings like she was, some smart ass comments about the weather up there or some stupid shit. I'm also in a mixed racial marriage so those ignorant comments are a blast to live through when my wife is with me. Were some of the comments creepy. Of course they were, they were uncalled for. Well unfortunately, when you walk around the most culturally diverse and largest populated city in the United States for 10 hours you are gonna run across some scumbags. You can't legistlate crazy, you can't legislate stupid. Unfortunately sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and deal with things no matter how much you may or may not like them or how it makes you feel. I honestly don't care about the asking for donations at the end. The most important thing about this video is the perspective it's giving people and the conversation we are having in its wake, which for many people is the first time they're confronted with it. I've lived in New York for a decade. I've lived in every borough, and it's the same everywhere, with Manhattan and Brooklyn being by fan the worst. As a guy, I get approached at least once a day by someone asking for money or trying to get me to sign up for something. I don't think that's that uncommon for most major cities. But that is nothing, nothing like what every woman in New York has to go through on a daily basis. No matter which block you're on, because of how densely populated this city is, there's going to be someone posted up on the corner saying things. As a man, I don't hear them directed at me and I could have the privilege to just ignore it without thinking. But for women, you have men loudly degrading you and objectifying you just for living, or posing an immediate threat of violence or swindle. It's awful. I have friends who can't walk their dogs without hearing comments about their body when they reach over to pick up their dog's droppings. I think what a lot of people in this thread are misreading the intent as is "It's not OK to say hi to women." That's not what's happening in the video, even when it's men saying "Hi" to women. It's guys making a brief but entitled public spectacle at someone just because they're a female, regardless of their intent. It's also important to remember that this is happening IN PUBLIC ON THE STREETS. Not someone approaching her in the club or at a bar or somewhere that a person would be looking to meet and have a conversation with another person. She's going for a walk. And this was just in one day. Public education and awareness about the truly awful problem street harassing is needs to happen. I'm well aware you can't start jailing people for yelling, but it's not something we as a civilized society should just shrug our shoulders and say "boys will be boys" on.
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Post by chazraps on Oct 28, 2014 19:02:54 GMT -5
Also, this thread seems to think "asking for money" and "trying to f*** you" are mutually exclusive.
I've seen firsthand how the people asking for money also are asking to be inside you as well. Can't just dismiss them as a one-of-the-other scenario.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 28, 2014 19:03:01 GMT -5
I was born and raised in NYC , I've walked through the boroughs many many times- Never not once has someone randomly wished me a good day /night. This only happened to her because she a was reasonably attractive female. I know there are places where people will randomly say things like , Great weather we are having, or Good evening or good morning - NYC generally is not one of those places. That is some bs at the end though , donate to a charity to end cat calling ? "Oh, my greeting you clearly because you're an attractive woman, and you being annoyed at the invasion of your privacy and the fact that you've been catcalled a million times this week already, is something that bothers you? NO IT SHOULDN'T BE." Except that's not always the case at all, in fact that wasn't the case on at least four occasions where the video was all about that being the case. Imagine all the other times that they've listed it happening where it wasn't the case either. It's also not the case when a lot of people in this thread have expressed it happening to them from people, old and young, male and female simply sharing their joy in life and being polite. Which is their right as well, no? I find it strange that so many people are willing to jump on "the cause" when the cause is simply a non-charity trying to drum up money off of the outrage of Social Justice Warriors everywhere.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Oct 28, 2014 19:13:25 GMT -5
It's straight up bullshit to make a video about being a "woman in NY" and vilify a gender based on this video. ...I'm sorry, when was this?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Oct 28, 2014 19:15:16 GMT -5
I don't think there's anything wrong with saying "Hey, beautiful" to a stranger. I personally wouldn't do it but I also wouldn't consider it harassment. If you want to ignore someone when they make it a comment like that, then that's your right. If they continue to say things like that after you've clearly demonstrated you don't want to interact with them then I would say it's harassment.
As for the "Hello" and "Good morning" comments, it doesn't matter whether it was because they wanted money or sex or whatever. It's not harassment. As I said above, just ignore it if you don't want to engage with them. Don't set up a "charity to end catcalling".
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 28, 2014 19:17:14 GMT -5
It's straight up bullshit to make a video about being a "woman in NY" and vilify a gender based on this video. ...I'm sorry, when was this? At the point where a video was made title "10 hours walking in NYC as a woman" which then featured men talking to her, with many different reasons for doing so, some creepy some not, and slapping it with the harassment label. Round about then.
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Post by bluemeii on Oct 28, 2014 19:17:33 GMT -5
I don't disagree with that. I don't even have a problem with the point or the cause the video is for. I do have a problem with a couple things though. To me that video is a bag of shit wrapped up in a cause. This was a video, made by a NPO to drum up donations. Of course it's safe to assume that this was the worst of the lot. Sensationalism for the sake of donations. Like another poster said already also. Sometimes that's the way things go in NYC. A small greeting like that is just to get your attention to get some money off you. Not an uncommon thing. I'm in the city (well was till I left my job last week...)every week at least for the past 11 plus years. I'm a rather tall individual. Do I get comments from random passerby's. Of course I do. Some greetings like she was, some smart ass comments about the weather up there or some stupid shit. I'm also in a mixed racial marriage so those ignorant comments are a blast to live through when my wife is with me. Were some of the comments creepy. Of course they were, they were uncalled for. Well unfortunately, when you walk around the most culturally diverse and largest populated city in the United States for 10 hours you are gonna run across some scumbags. You can't legistlate crazy, you can't legislate stupid. Unfortunately sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and deal with things no matter how much you may or may not like them or how it makes you feel. I honestly don't care about the asking for donations at the end. The most important thing about this video is the perspective it's giving people and the conversation we are having in its wake, which for many people is the first time they're confronted with it. I've lived in New York for a decade. I've lived in every borough, and it's the same everywhere, with Manhattan and Brooklyn being by fan the worst. As a guy, I get approached at least once a day by someone asking for money or trying to get me to sign up for something. I don't think that's that uncommon for most major cities. But that is nothing, nothing like what every woman in New York has to go through on a daily basis. No matter which block you're on, because of how densely populated this city is, there's going to be someone posted up on the corner saying things. As a man, I don't hear them directed at me and I could have the privilege to just ignore it without thinking. But for women, you have men loudly degrading you and objectifying you just for living, or posing an immediate threat of violence or swindle. It's awful. I have friends who can't walk their dogs without hearing comments about their body when they reach over to pick up their dog's droppings. I think what a lot of people in this thread are misreading the intent as is "It's not OK to say hi to women." That's not what's happening in the video, even when it's men saying "Hi" to women. It's guys making a brief but entitled public spectacle at someone just because they're a female, regardless of their intent. It's also important to remember that this is happening IN PUBLIC ON THE STREETS. Not someone approaching her in the club or at a bar or somewhere that a person would be looking to meet and have a conversation with another person. She's going for a walk. And this was just in one day. Public education and awareness about the truly awful problem street harassing is needs to happen. I'm well aware you can't start jailing people for yelling, but it's not something we as a civilized society should just shrug our shoulders and say "boys will be boys" on. Oh I get what you are saying. I was more discussing what I think of this video in general. The women in it walks around for 10 hours. You lived there you know what that would mean. 10 hours. That was the worst of the lot. I'm making a educated guess on that being the worst of the lot for the simple reason the sole purpose of this movie was to get money. You aren't going to put the tamest advances on there to be sure. I don't consider someone saying "Hi" or "How's the weather" sexual harassment. Annoying as hell cause you know what they want for sure. I'm not advocating for the whole boys will be boys mentality. It's simply a case of sometimes there really isn't anything you can do about it. By that I mean the catcalls or whistles and the like. People can try to education or shame individuals into stopping...but if they have their mind set that this is appropriate behavior do you think they would react to that? This is something that's going to take a cultural change, and that kind of change unfortunately cannot happen over night. Gonna be some growing pains with it. Unfortunately videos like the one above, that use sensationalistic headlines, make people skeptical of the actual cause and end up causing more harm then good. This wasn't a documentary per se..this was an infomercial.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 28, 2014 19:18:49 GMT -5
"Oh, my greeting you clearly because you're an attractive woman, and you being annoyed at the invasion of your privacy and the fact that you've been catcalled a million times this week already, is something that bothers you? NO IT SHOULDN'T BE." Except that's not always the case at all, in fact that wasn't the case on at least four occasions where the video was all about that being the case. Imagine all the other times that they've listed it happening where it wasn't the case either. It's also not the case when a lot of people in this thread have expressed it happening to them from people, old and young, male and female simply sharing their joy in life and being polite. Which is their right as well, no? I find it strange that so many people are willing to jump on "the cause" when the cause is simply a non-charity trying to drum up money off of the outrage of Social Justice Warriors everywhere. But if it's the case the majority of the time, then wouldn't you assume it will be the case in those little times as well. See, a number of things have come up and the one common thread is Wobbuffet logic. The pokemon Wobbuffet is based on a Japanese comedian Sanpei Hayashiya, whose catchphrase in english translates to, "that's the way it is ma'am". We just want to be cool with the status quo, that this is acceptable, because some of the time, I just want to randomly talk to some lady walking down the street. This video is challenging the status quo, and just like Wobbuffet, we need to counter against the status quo and actually try to change things so that half the population doesn't get harassed while walking the streets (that last past just came to me, I'm quite proud of that). There does need to be a cultural change in this attitude of people not giving a f***.
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Post by Dat Dude on Oct 28, 2014 19:23:08 GMT -5
Random Thought: I wonder what it would be like as a man if a bunch a random women started cat-calling me on the streets? To be honest, I guess I'd feel flattered. But I'm pretty sure there is a deeper pretense with women in that situation that would make them not feel flattered *shrugs* buzzfeed touched on that subject www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8uOErVShiEIf I got catcalls like the ones in the video, I'd laugh, and my response would be "Ummm...thanks?". Heck, if I wasn't in a hurry to get somewhere probably stop and chat for a bit. But then again, I'm dude. So we don't have the same POV going into those situations that a woman would. Not saying that they shouldn't feel bothered by it, its just that as a guy my response would be different.
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Post by WWEedy on Oct 28, 2014 19:25:30 GMT -5
Except that's not always the case at all, in fact that wasn't the case on at least four occasions where the video was all about that being the case. Imagine all the other times that they've listed it happening where it wasn't the case either. It's also not the case when a lot of people in this thread have expressed it happening to them from people, old and young, male and female simply sharing their joy in life and being polite. Which is their right as well, no? I find it strange that so many people are willing to jump on "the cause" when the cause is simply a non-charity trying to drum up money off of the outrage of Social Justice Warriors everywhere. But if it's the case the majority of the time, then wouldn't you assume it will be the case in those little times as well. See, a number of things have come up and the one common thread is Wobbuffet logic. The pokemon Wobbuffet is based on a Japanese comedian Sanpei Hayashiya, whose catchphrase in english translates to, "that's the way it is ma'am". We just want to be cool with the status quo, that this is acceptable, because some of the time, I just want to randomly talk to some lady walking down the street. This video is challenging the status quo, and just like Wobbuffet, we need to counter against the status quo and actually try to change things so that half the population doesn't get harassed while walking the streets (that last past just came to me, I'm quite proud of that). There does need to be a cultural change in this attitude of people not giving a f***. Though is it the majority of the time? It is in this video and it very well may be in life but from personal experience and from the experience of those around me it isn't. The media and the internet is more prevalent than ever these days and it's easier for those being wronged, and it is wrong and I am in no way excusing actual harassment here, to have their voices heard. It doesn't mean they're in the majority, it just means that they are the loud minority. I think things need to change too, actual cases of harassment should definitely be put an end to but why should the people who want to be kind, share their happiness, say hello have to be silence just because you don't like it? Isn't that harassing them?
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Oct 28, 2014 19:30:09 GMT -5
Except that's not always the case at all, in fact that wasn't the case on at least four occasions where the video was all about that being the case. Imagine all the other times that they've listed it happening where it wasn't the case either. It's also not the case when a lot of people in this thread have expressed it happening to them from people, old and young, male and female simply sharing their joy in life and being polite. Which is their right as well, no? I find it strange that so many people are willing to jump on "the cause" when the cause is simply a non-charity trying to drum up money off of the outrage of Social Justice Warriors everywhere. But if it's the case the majority of the time, then wouldn't you assume it will be the case in those little times as well. See, a number of things have come up and the one common thread is Wobbuffet logic. The pokemon Wobbuffet is based on a Japanese comedian Sanpei Hayashiya, whose catchphrase in english translates to, "that's the way it is ma'am". We just want to be cool with the status quo, that this is acceptable, because some of the time, I just want to randomly talk to some lady walking down the street. This video is challenging the status quo, and just like Wobbuffet, we need to counter against the status quo and actually try to change things so that half the population doesn't get harassed while walking the streets (that last past just came to me, I'm quite proud of that). There does need to be a cultural change in this attitude of people not giving a f***. Thank you for that interesting history of a Pokemon that nobody asked about.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 28, 2014 19:32:53 GMT -5
But if it's the case the majority of the time, then wouldn't you assume it will be the case in those little times as well. See, a number of things have come up and the one common thread is Wobbuffet logic. The pokemon Wobbuffet is based on a Japanese comedian Sanpei Hayashiya, whose catchphrase in english translates to, "that's the way it is ma'am". We just want to be cool with the status quo, that this is acceptable, because some of the time, I just want to randomly talk to some lady walking down the street. This video is challenging the status quo, and just like Wobbuffet, we need to counter against the status quo and actually try to change things so that half the population doesn't get harassed while walking the streets (that last past just came to me, I'm quite proud of that). There does need to be a cultural change in this attitude of people not giving a f***. Though is it the majority of the time? It is in this video and it very well may be in life but from personal experience and from the experience of those around me it isn't. The media and the internet is more prevalent than ever these days and it's easier for those being wronged, and it is wrong and I am in no way excusing actual harassment here, to have their voices heard. It doesn't mean they're in the majority, it just means that they are the loud minority. I think things need to change too, actual cases of harassment should definitely be put an end to but why should the people who want to be kind, share their happiness, say hello have to be silence just because you don't like it? Isn't that harassing them? From the women I've talked to, harassment like that is pretty normal. And like, if those people do want to share their happiness, that's fine, but they should also understand that a lot of people are harassing them, and even if they have the best of intentions, it might not be welcome because the person they maybe saying "hello" to has had a lot of bad experience with people like that. So why not just let them be alone?
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