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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Dec 16, 2014 15:22:32 GMT -5
First of all, as always with these kind of threads, remember to keep civil or as Tyger put it: For topics like these, as always, respect each other, don't wish harm on anyone, stay on topic, and use common sense. Notify a mod if any problems come up and, if we move and edit posts or lock thread, trust that we had a good reason why and ask to start a new one after some time has passed Now, for the actual topic. Today, a school in Peshawar was attacked by seven Talibans who killed over 140 people, mostly children (when I first heard the news they mentioned 141 victims but sadly the number of confirmed deaths appears to keep getting higher). All attackers were killed. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan group has claimed responsibility for the attack and has stated that it is retaliation for Operation Zarb-e-Azb, an effort by the Pakistani army to fight several extremist groups in North Waziristan. www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-pakistan-school-idUSKBN0JU0JO20141216www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html?_r=0www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435I just... there are no words to describe something like this. How can anyone do something like this and convince themselves that they are somehow doing a good thing?
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Dec 16, 2014 15:26:37 GMT -5
The Human race in general really pisses me off sometimes.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 16, 2014 15:31:01 GMT -5
One witness is quoted as saying that they heard one of the gunman yell "A lot of children are under the benches, kill them!"
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 16, 2014 15:32:30 GMT -5
Even though it is normally terrible, I can even "get" attacking other adults.
But to hurt kids is just f***ing the worst thing you can do.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 16, 2014 15:33:28 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...I really could get into political discussion right now, especially given what's been happening in the news, but I'll refrain.
What a sick group of people.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 16, 2014 15:57:42 GMT -5
First of all, as always with these kind of threads, remember to keep civil or as Tyger put it: For topics like these, as always, respect each other, don't wish harm on anyone, stay on topic, and use common sense. Notify a mod if any problems come up and, if we move and edit posts or lock thread, trust that we had a good reason why and ask to start a new one after some time has passed Now, for the actual topic. Today, a school in Peshawar was attacked by seven Talibans who killed over 140 people, mostly children (when I first heard the news they mentioned 141 victims but sadly the number of confirmed deaths appears to keep getting higher). All attackers were killed. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan group has claimed responsibility for the attack and has stated that it is retaliation for Operation Zarb-e-Azb, an effort by the Pakistani army to fight several extremist groups in North Waziristan. www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-pakistan-school-idUSKBN0JU0JO20141216www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html?_r=0www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435I just... there are no words to describe something like this. How can anyone do something like this and convince themselves that they are somehow doing a good thing? As disgusted as I am by the mere notion that this was even discussed, let alone carried out, I do understand from a cold, analytical standpoint why something like this was done. As you mentioned, it was in retaliation for military actions taken against them. While the Taliban is well equipped as far as terrorist groups go, they cannot stop attacks against them by the military. Their only choice is to make the military, or more accurately, the politicians that control the military, afraid of the bloodshed that will result. Since they cannot adequately threaten the military nor enough civilians to scare off the military, their only choice is to threaten retaliations against civilians whose bloodshed is too devastating to risk. As such, since the Taliban are monsters enough to target children, they are willing to do such a thing on the possibility that their enemies won't have the stomach to risk further such retaliations against children.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Dec 16, 2014 16:03:08 GMT -5
This legit makes me want to throw up. I have 2 grade school aged step kids whom I love as much as my own newborn. I can't even fathom what the poor parents are going through. f***ing awful.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 16, 2014 16:05:54 GMT -5
As disgusted as I am by the mere notion that this was even discussed, let alone carried out, I do understand from a cold, analytical standpoint why something like this was done. As you mentioned, it was in retaliation for military actions taken against them. While the Taliban is well equipped as far as terrorist groups go, they cannot stop attacks against them by the military. Their only choice is to make the military, or more accurately, the politicians that control the military, afraid of the bloodshed that will result. Since they cannot adequately threaten the military nor enough civilians to scare off the military, their only choice is to threaten retaliations against civilians whose bloodshed is too devastating to risk. As such, since the Taliban are monsters enough to target children, they are willing to do such a thing on the possibility that their enemies won't have the stomach to risk further such retaliations against children. Well, I mean this is a group of people who has refused peace talks, broken ceasefires and continues to show absolutely zero regard to anyone outside of their beliefs.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2014 16:09:11 GMT -5
First of all, as always with these kind of threads, remember to keep civil or as Tyger put it: Now, for the actual topic. Today, a school in Peshawar was attacked by seven Talibans who killed over 140 people, mostly children (when I first heard the news they mentioned 141 victims but sadly the number of confirmed deaths appears to keep getting higher). All attackers were killed. The Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan group has claimed responsibility for the attack and has stated that it is retaliation for Operation Zarb-e-Azb, an effort by the Pakistani army to fight several extremist groups in North Waziristan. www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/16/us-pakistan-school-idUSKBN0JU0JO20141216www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html?_r=0www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435I just... there are no words to describe something like this. How can anyone do something like this and convince themselves that they are somehow doing a good thing? As disgusted as I am by the mere notion that this was even discussed, let alone carried out, I do understand from a cold, analytical standpoint why something like this was done. As you mentioned, it was in retaliation for military actions taken against them. While the Taliban is well equipped as far as terrorist groups go, they cannot stop attacks against them by the military. Their only choice is to make the military, or more accurately, the politicians that control the military, afraid of the bloodshed that will result. Since they cannot adequately threaten the military nor enough civilians to scare off the military, their only choice is to threaten retaliations against civilians whose bloodshed is too devastating to risk. As such, since the Taliban are monsters enough to target children, they are willing to do such a thing on the possibility that their enemies won't have the stomach to risk further such retaliations against children. No idea or agenda is worth having that deep of a disregard for innocent life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:10:11 GMT -5
Geez. That's just. Geez. I joke about it alot, but not a day goes by I don't appreciate the fact that I'm white(ish), male and living in a first world country. I can complain about a lot stuff, but I always appreciate how easy I've really got it, in context of stuff like this and other messed up stuff happening both abroad and in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:12:18 GMT -5
I heard this morning that the Taliban soldiers there were instructed to only kill the older students, and leave the really young ones alive. ........as if this was somehow a kinder strategy. Chances are they intentionally did this so as to traumatize those children for life. What a sick hideous thing this news story is. Sadly, it seems to fit right in with a lot of others, doesn't it?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 16, 2014 16:16:40 GMT -5
As disgusted as I am by the mere notion that this was even discussed, let alone carried out, I do understand from a cold, analytical standpoint why something like this was done. As you mentioned, it was in retaliation for military actions taken against them. While the Taliban is well equipped as far as terrorist groups go, they cannot stop attacks against them by the military. Their only choice is to make the military, or more accurately, the politicians that control the military, afraid of the bloodshed that will result. Since they cannot adequately threaten the military nor enough civilians to scare off the military, their only choice is to threaten retaliations against civilians whose bloodshed is too devastating to risk. As such, since the Taliban are monsters enough to target children, they are willing to do such a thing on the possibility that their enemies won't have the stomach to risk further such retaliations against children. No idea or agenda is worth having that deep of a disregard for innocent life. I never said that I justify it and in fact did refer to them as monsters. People who deserve to be referred to as human beings don't do those things willingly. I just said that from a cold and emotionless standpoint I understand. I would encourage the Pakistani government to not let their actions influence their military decisions, unless the choice is to go after them harder for it but it isn't my children who are being threatened.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 16, 2014 16:37:49 GMT -5
The Taliban have little to fear from the Pakistani military, because of the support the militants have within the Pakistani establishment, and the Pakistani army doesn't have a stellar record dealing with anyone who isn't a terrified unarmed civilian (see the Bangladeshi war of liberation for more details).
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 16, 2014 16:51:01 GMT -5
No idea or agenda is worth having that deep of a disregard for innocent life. I never said that I justify it and in fact did refer to them as monsters. People who deserve to be referred to as human beings don't do those things willingly. I just said that from a cold and emotionless standpoint I understand. I would encourage the Pakistani government to not let their actions influence their military decisions, unless the choice is to go after them harder for it but it isn't my children who are being threatened. No harm meant, I understand.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 16, 2014 22:15:01 GMT -5
If there is a hell I hope that there is a certain nasty spot that is now reserved for those evil c***s.
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Post by hassanchop on Dec 16, 2014 23:18:10 GMT -5
My heart goes out to the victims and families affected by this. I mean some Pakistani kids did this when Sandy Hook shooting happened.
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Post by Evil Homer on Dec 16, 2014 23:46:29 GMT -5
These taliban needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth , these are not humans - & have no business claiming they are doing things in the name of islam ( Im sorry if this violates any rules here ). I am a muslim of Pakistani descent - these people do not represent my people . Theae low life thrash are a problem for America and Pakistan equally,
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 17, 2014 0:18:52 GMT -5
These taliban needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth , these are not humans - & have no business claiming they are doing things in the name of islam ( Im sorry if this violates any rules here ). I am a muslim of Pakistani descent - these people do not represent my people . Theae low life thrash are a problem for America and Pakistan equally, I remember standing next to one of my coworkers on 9/11 that just happened to be Muslim. (I never knew this because as far as I'm concerned people's faith is none of my business.) He was angrier than anyone that I knew because that wasn't what he was raised to believe and he was pissed bin Laden was doing it in the name of his religion. People like this are a threat to all. Murdering children is f***ing horrible. I understand they were pissed over the military killing women and children...but that never would have happened if the shitheads just signed the cease fire and abided by it. I hope they're all burning in hell and that every single child killed on both sides is at peace.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 17, 2014 0:26:28 GMT -5
Absolutely vile.
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Post by Evil Homer on Dec 17, 2014 0:58:30 GMT -5
These taliban needs to be eradicated from the face of the earth , these are not humans - & have no business claiming they are doing things in the name of islam ( Im sorry if this violates any rules here ). I am a muslim of Pakistani descent - these people do not represent my people . Theae low life thrash are a problem for America and Pakistan equally, I remember standing next to one of my coworkers on 9/11 that just happened to be Muslim. (I never knew this because as far as I'm concerned people's faith is none of my business.) He was angrier than anyone that I knew because that wasn't what he was raised to believe and he was pissed bin Laden was doing it in the name of his religion. People like this are a threat to all. Murdering children is f***ing horrible. I understand they were pissed over the military killing women and children...but that never would have happened if the shitheads just signed the cease fire and abided by it. I hope they're all burning in hell and that every single child killed on both sides is at peace. I feel the exact same way, This is something complete and total contradictory to what I was raised on. I being a New Yorker ( More importantly an American) and muslim felt hit in two ways- one the city I love , the place I have called home since birth was attacked - and the faith which I was bought up on was also hijacked, and things would never be the same again, To hell with these terrorist
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