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Post by The Unconquered Sun on Dec 19, 2014 5:45:10 GMT -5
in the Avengers, the alliance with Thanos, the invasion of New York, it was all Loki's scheme to get him back to Asgard. in Thor he's banished from Asgard, in the Avengers he is forced back to Asgard, but in the end for Thor 2 he has taken Odin's place. it all worked out pretty well for Loki when you think about it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2014 5:55:14 GMT -5
The theory that the Schumacher Batman films exist within the the Burton films. As in the Schumacher movies are exaggerated,hollywood adaptations of the real life events that occurred in the Burton films. Which explains why they are so cheesy and over the top. So what, everyone knows Bruce Wayne is him, and Alfred and Gordon play themselves? Having looked it up, the theory goes that Bruce has gone bankrupt, and sold out to Hollywood after giving up crime fighting. Alfred and Gordon were probably out of work after Bruce could no longer afford to employ the former and working with a vigilante ruined the career or the latter. in the Avengers, the alliance with Thanos, the invasion of New York, it was all Loki's scheme to get him back to Asgard. in Thor he's banished from Asgard, in the Avengers he is forced back to Asgard, but in the end for Thor 2 he has taken Odin's place. it all worked out pretty well for Loki when you think about it. Trouble is that theory falls apart when one realises Loki wasn't banished in Thor, and chose to let himself fall into the abyss rather than allow himself to be saved by Thor and Odin.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 19, 2014 6:17:39 GMT -5
I decided to Google some Big Lebowski fan theories, since it's my favorite movie. Reading Donnie may only be a figment of Walter's imagination. I don't believe it, because there's quite a few holes, but it's cool to read.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 19, 2014 6:50:26 GMT -5
Here's an interesting one:
Equilibrium takes place in an earlier build of The Matrix (post-"perfect human world" but before the 'One system' is implemented) and John Preston is actually a Smith-like rogue AI.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 19, 2014 7:14:31 GMT -5
The Daniel Craig 007 films are prequels to the earlier Bond films. The new ones being placed chronologically after the fall of the USSR really skewered that theory, as well as the Bond is a Codename one. Trouble is that theory falls apart when one realises Loki wasn't banished in Thor, and chose to let himself fall into the abyss rather than allow himself to be saved by Thor and Odin. On the otherhand, it's Loki, the master of absurdly overcomplicated plots.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Dec 19, 2014 8:42:07 GMT -5
Harry Potter was knocked unconscious by his uncle and dreamt the whole thing.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 19, 2014 8:49:25 GMT -5
Harry Potter was knocked unconscious by his uncle and dreamt the whole thing. Not saying this to pick on you, but dreams and purgatory are the easiest fan theories to make. You can do it with virtually any franchise, including ones that have that as a reveal, anyway. Batman? Power fantasy by an institutionalized Bruce Wayne who never could accept the helplessness of losing his parents. That took me all of like 30 seconds and that's as much effort as most people put into these kinds of theories. You don't have to have it link up with anything, or have pivotal scenes or details that make it plausible or compelling, just, "A Wizard did it" I guess in this case it's "A Wizard Didn't". Some people love these theories, but they've never worked for me, from Final Fantasy VIII theories of dead Squall to "Angelica made up the Rugrats because reasons and for some reason made herself get in trouble in her ideal fantasy like all the time and threw in an Asian kid for funsies".
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Dec 19, 2014 10:46:34 GMT -5
Harry Potter was knocked unconscious by his uncle and dreamt the whole thing. Not saying this to pick on you, but dreams and purgatory are the easiest fan theories to make. You can do it with virtually any franchise, including ones that have that as a reveal, anyway. Batman? Power fantasy by an institutionalized Bruce Wayne who never could accept the helplessness of losing his parents. That took me all of like 30 seconds and that's as much effort as most people put into these kinds of theories. You don't have to have it link up with anything, or have pivotal scenes or details that make it plausible or compelling, just, "A Wizard did it" I guess in this case it's "A Wizard Didn't". Some people love these theories, but they've never worked for me, from Final Fantasy VIII theories of dead Squall to "Angelica made up the Rugrats because reasons and for some reason made herself get in trouble in her ideal fantasy like all the time and threw in an Asian kid for funsies". I know what you're getting at, don't worry about it. Still a bit of dark humour just thinking about the films that way.
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Post by ERON on Dec 20, 2014 23:06:24 GMT -5
The Daniel Craig 007 films are prequels to the earlier Bond films. The new ones being placed chronologically after the fall of the USSR really skewered that theory, as well as the Bond is a Codename one. If one can accept that Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan were all the same Bond even with changing fashions, hairstyles, cars, technology, etc. from the '60s thru the '90s, I don't see why one can't also accept that Craig is a younger version of the same Bond, even though real world politics have marched on. Just look at the broad stokes and don't overanalyze.
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Post by ERON on Dec 20, 2014 23:09:13 GMT -5
The Daniel Craig 007 films are prequels to the earlier Bond films. Clint Eastwood's characters in the Dollars trilogy, High Plains Drifter, Pale Rider, and Unforgiven are all the same guy at different stages in his life, and in non-linear order. In some of the films, he might even be dead already - a wandering spirit of vengeance.HAL 9000 wasn't malfunctioning. He knew the mission was too important to allow it to be jeopardized by human error, so he attempted to eliminate that possibility by eliminating the humans. I'd actually add Harry Callahan to that list, too The epilogue to Unforgiven says that some people believe that [Eastwood's character] left for San Francisco at the end of the events of the film. Hmm...I hadn't even thought of that, but it makes sense. We could count his character from Blood Work, too. That was basically Dirty Harry in all but name.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 20, 2014 23:59:03 GMT -5
The new ones being placed chronologically after the fall of the USSR really skewered that theory, as well as the Bond is a Codename one. If one can accept that Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan were all the same Bond even with changing fashions, hairstyles, cars, technology, etc. from the '60s thru the '90s, I don't see why one can't also accept that Craig is a younger version of the same Bond, even though real world politics have marched on. Just look at the broad stokes and don't overanalyze. That'd just mean that Bond would have 30 years of tenure as an elite agent. Unlikely, sure, but still possible, time still progresses normally between them up until the Craig reboot.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Dec 21, 2014 0:15:10 GMT -5
I always thought the big tipoff that the "Bond is a code name" theory doesn't work is due to his all to brief marriage from OHMSS (Lazenby), since we see him visiting Tracy's grave in For Your Eyes Only (Moore), and it gets a brief nod in Licence to Kill (Dalton).
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 21, 2014 0:16:46 GMT -5
James Bond 007 is just a code name. An alias. Just like all the other MI6 identities like M, Q, etc. Skyfall ruined that theory for me! Bond's wife should have ruined that well before that.
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Post by ERON on Dec 21, 2014 0:38:23 GMT -5
If one can accept that Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Brosnan were all the same Bond even with changing fashions, hairstyles, cars, technology, etc. from the '60s thru the '90s, I don't see why one can't also accept that Craig is a younger version of the same Bond, even though real world politics have marched on. Just look at the broad stokes and don't overanalyze. That'd just mean that Bond would have 30 years of tenure as an elite agent. Unlikely, sure, but still possible, time still progresses normally between them up until the Craig reboot. But then his age keeps fluctuating because of the different actors. I prefer to just think of the series as taking place in "comic book time," like how Archie and Jughead have been in high school for seventy years, or how the Fantastic Four are hardly any older now than when they met Richard Nixon.
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Post by BorneAgain on Dec 21, 2014 0:52:45 GMT -5
Sean Connery's 007 was originally the only one actually named James Bond. The Lazenby, Moore, Dalton. and Brosnan 007 were all different people who took the name as tribute/cover and Daniel Craig's agent is the son of the original Bond, and shares the same name.
The T-1000's existence in Terminator 2 is due to the T-800 and specifically Kyle Reese.
In the original timeline John Connor A (fathered by some man Sarah Connor met, not Kyle Reese) grows up to be a resistance leader against Skynet and succeeds in defeating them so thoroughly that their last desperate act was to send the T-800 back in time to prevent Connor's birth. Connor then sends Reese back in time to protect Sarah.
These trips altered the timeline, leading to John Connor A being wiped from history, with John Connor B (fathered by Kyle Reese) now in his place, and with the foreknowledge that he was to be the leader of the resistance. While almost as good as the original Connor, he wasn't quite as extensive in taking out Skynet (which was somewhat more advanced due to Cyberdyne developing its technology earlier via finding the Terminator's remains rather than just straight research and development as it originally did) allowing the latter the time to both develop mimetic poly-alloy and send a second Terminator, things they were not capable of in the original timeline.
The time travel in Terminator 2 altered things even more, causing John Connor to be taken by surprise by Judgment Day and allowing Skynet to send yet another Terminator. Ignoring Genysis, and the SCC there are 4 distinct timelines: One with no time travel, timeline altered by T1, timeline altered by T1 & T2, timeline altered by T1, T2, & T3.
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Post by DSR on Dec 21, 2014 1:41:16 GMT -5
James Bond 007 is just a code name. An alias. Just like all the other MI6 identities like M, Q, etc. Skyfall ruined that theory for me! There were hints that it wasn't just a codename before Skyfall, though. Like Roger Moore Bond visiting the grave of George Lazenby Bond's wife. Or the pre-credits sequence to GoldenEye taking place in the 80s, but Pierce Brosnan is identified as Bond (when the "code name" would have still been in use by either Roger Moore's character or Timothy Dalton's character). Besides, "James Bond" as a code name was used in the 1967 Casino Royale. Nothing from that film should count. EDIT: And now I see people have already brought this stuff up. My bad, y'all.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 21, 2014 1:42:54 GMT -5
That'd just mean that Bond would have 30 years of tenure as an elite agent. Unlikely, sure, but still possible, time still progresses normally between them up until the Craig reboot. But then his age keeps fluctuating because of the different actors. I prefer to just think of the series as taking place in "comic book time," like how Archie and Jughead have been in high school for seventy years, or how the Fantastic Four are hardly any older now than when they met Richard Nixon. Comic book time is one thing, I'd buy that for the previous Bond series, but there's still a problem if comic books don't reboot or retcon the story when a huge plothole is introduced, which is what they did with Bond. The Craig Bond just has too many plotholes opened up by being in the same continuity, not related at all to the production of the movie (USSR, M, a second introduction to SPECTRE), so he has to be to the other Bond's what the Nolan Batman was to the Burton Batman.
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Post by DSR on Dec 21, 2014 1:48:35 GMT -5
But then his age keeps fluctuating because of the different actors. I prefer to just think of the series as taking place in "comic book time," like how Archie and Jughead have been in high school for seventy years, or how the Fantastic Four are hardly any older now than when they met Richard Nixon. Comic book time is one thing, but there's still a problem if comic books don't reboot or retcon the story when a huge plothole is introduced, which is what they did with Bond. The Craig Bond just has too many plotholes opened up by being in the same continuity, not related at all to the production of the movie, so he has to be to the other Bond's what the Nolan Batman was to the Burton Batman. Yeah, Casino Royale is a reboot. They kept Judi Dench as M because she's an awesome actress, that's all.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 21, 2014 9:55:48 GMT -5
Agent Deckard is a replicant. That's a very interesting theory. The director confirmed that theory a long time ago. Deckard is a replicant,that is why his eyes in the one scene do the flash like the other replicants.
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Post by H-Virus on Dec 21, 2014 10:56:42 GMT -5
Harry Potter was knocked unconscious by his uncle and dreamt the whole thing. Not saying this to pick on you, but dreams and purgatory are the easiest fan theories to make. You can do it with virtually any franchise, including ones that have that as a reveal, anyway. Batman? Power fantasy by an institutionalized Bruce Wayne who never could accept the helplessness of losing his parents. That took me all of like 30 seconds and that's as much effort as most people put into these kinds of theories. You don't have to have it link up with anything, or have pivotal scenes or details that make it plausible or compelling, just, "A Wizard did it" I guess in this case it's "A Wizard Didn't". Some people love these theories, but they've never worked for me, from Final Fantasy VIII theories of dead Squall to "Angelica made up the Rugrats because reasons and for some reason made herself get in trouble in her ideal fantasy like all the time and threw in an Asian kid for funsies". The whole 'It Was All A Dream' idea actually does work in Minority Report, where Anderton is hooked up to a literal Dream Machine. Does he really break out, clear his name and get his happy ending, or is it all a product of the containment? Though for the record, that's one of the only 'All a Dream' theories I actually buy into.
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