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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 23, 2014 22:03:36 GMT -5
Let's not lie to ourselves again... this time last year we were all saying, "This guy's gonna be huge!" "This guy just GETS it!"
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Post by fw91 on Dec 23, 2014 22:22:34 GMT -5
I feel like most of Reigns goodwill comes from him not being John Cena, but there are many other and better "not Cena" options to choose from. Ambrose Rollins Ziggler ? ? ?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 22:24:15 GMT -5
I'm not just talking about being a main eventer, or being "the guy", but just in general. Bryan would be on that list too if he were healthy. And Sheamus, whom a lot of people compare Reigns to is miles ahead of him talent-wise. And on a midcard level I'd rather see both Real Americans be "really strong" over Reigns.
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 23, 2014 22:45:42 GMT -5
I really hate the IWC,smark stupid labels. Like come on we're on the damn internet talking about wrestling. Certain people that go "that's the IWC for ya" is annoying. You're in this damn fandom too. You have an opinion just like the rest of the community.
Is there a problem that people can't have different favorite wrestlers? Na, we must just take a face wrestler given to us and roll with it and play along with their narrative and not look at their weaknesses or see if we connect with them in anyway.
Anyway... Ambrose and Rollins have been showcased more than Reigns to some extent. WWE are trying their hardest to showcase Reigns as much as the other two but he doesn't have the talent/character to look as good as them.
Reigns got air time 4 times before his return and Michael Cole was trying so hard to sell the nickname "The Juggernaut". Where are the Daniel Bryan interviews about his recovery on WWE programming? Reigns won a PPV match solo against Orton, and beat Rollins clean. Ambrose has won no PPV's post Shield and hasn't beaten Rollins at all. Rollins has been fine where he is. Yes he's taken losses to Cena two times but that's expected when you're a heel.
All Reigns has is a look that pretty much is targeted towards a general audience that finds brooding piss poor Batman-esque characters cool. That shit to me isn't cool anymore. It was great when I was 10 but I'm not 10. Reigns has no character whatsoever that you can make out.
Reigns comes off as the lunatic fringe because he still wears a crappy version of swat gear and still uses a crappy version of his old faction's theme. His character comes off as a guy trying his hardest to live his heyday from The Shield, he comes from the crowd still and looks left and right as if his teammates are still with him that just looks sad to me. I really do not see the potential that others claim to see in him. Maybe a year or three I'll see it but all I see is a serviceable dude in the Sheamus role without half the talent of Sheamus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 22:51:47 GMT -5
Is that he hasn't even been PUSHED that hard, yet. Everyone who complains about him being SUPERMAN CENA 2.0 is basing it off online reports about plans for the FUTURE, while Roman is just some upper midcarder at the moment. ZIGGLER is getting a bigger push than Roman Reigns right now. I get that the rumors of slaying the Beast have been around forever, but Roman, even if not injured, wasn't exactly getting the "rocket strapped to his ass" push that many people claim he's already gotten. Other than the rumble record, his only big highlight of 2014 was beating Orton at Summerslam. That's it. It's just so intriguing to see someone get so much hate, for so much time, for a push he hasn't even officially received yet. Excuse me, did you say he hasn't been pushed that hard yet? In what match against main event heels did he look even remotely weak (or even lose?). Hell he went out before he was injured pinning Rollins clean, the top heel. Come on man. Come on mannnnn. He's been pushed in every way a main event face can be pushed short of winning the actual title. If you want to dispute that he deserves it or not, that's another thread. But that he hasn't been pushed that hard? How could he be pushed harder? Please name how he could be pushed harder without winning the title, I'd love to hear it. You won't be able to though, because it's f***ing impossible. EDIT: I guess he could take a dump on brock lesnar each episode. Like literally take a shit on him midring. That'd be the only way.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Dec 23, 2014 23:09:42 GMT -5
Is there a backlash outside of internet forums? I haven't heard it at the actual events. It's not really fair to say the "fanbase wants none of" his push when he's clearly over. Although people will swear otherwise, the only time I've heard anything resembling an audible backlash was this past week at RAW (during that terrible Big Show match) and at the past NXT Takeover (and to be fair, its a pretty smarky crowd). Whatever his limitations, the backlash is totally because he's the "WWE Chosen One.," and the "smart crowd" doesn't want to be told who to cheer for. It's the perils of being a babyface in the Internet Age. I'd also argue that Ziggler and Rollins are in very good positions right now. Bryan is injured, so until he's back he shouldn't be even in the Main Event discussion. Even Ambrose is a two-time PPV main eventer, even if his booking is ridiculous right now. So even if Reigns is getting a push, it doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys are being buried. And I predict that Reigns' inevitable heel turn will be absolutely loved by this board.
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Post by Hypnosis on Dec 23, 2014 23:15:01 GMT -5
And I predict that Reigns' inevitable heel turn will be absolutely loved by this board. Will his Photoshop threads rival Batista's, though?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 23:15:10 GMT -5
Is there a backlash outside of internet forums? I haven't heard it at the actual events. It's not really fair to say the "fanbase wants none of" his push when he's clearly over. Although people will swear otherwise, the only time I've heard anything resembling an audible backlash was this past week at RAW (during that terrible Big Show match) and at the past NXT Takeover (and to be fair, its a pretty smarky crowd). Whatever his limitations, the backlash is totally because he's the "WWE Chosen One.," and the "smart crowd" doesn't want to be told who to cheer for. It's the perils of being a babyface in the Internet Age. I'd also argue that Ziggler and Rollins are in very good positions right now. Bryan is injured, so until he's back he shouldn't be even in the Main Event discussion. Even Ambrose is a two-time PPV main eventer, even if his booking is ridiculous right now. So even if Reigns is getting a push, it doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys are being buried. And I predict that Reigns' inevitable heel turn will be absolutely loved by this board. If Reigns were better there would be no backlash. If Ziggler were "WWE's Chosen One" the only ones who would hate it would be the ones who never liked him to begin with. Fans would generally accept it because he has the ability to justify being "shoved down our throats". And thats the way it should be. If the fans get behind a guy, then the machine should follow suit in response.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 23, 2014 23:20:57 GMT -5
I hope Roman Reigns does a good job because he seems like a swell guy. I also hope if Roman doesn't get booed out of the building in one of these upcoming big events, people don't still try to ignore what happens because it doesn't fit into what they want to believe (Ex. Him winning the Slammy)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2014 23:22:11 GMT -5
I hope Roman Reigns does a good job because he seems like a swell guy. I also hope if Roman doesn't get booed out of the building in one of these upcoming big events, people don't still try to ignore what happens because it doesn't fit into what they want to believe (Ex. Him winning the Slammy) There are lots of swell guys on the roster. What makes this one so special?
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 23, 2014 23:23:05 GMT -5
Although people will swear otherwise, the only time I've heard anything resembling an audible backlash was this past week at RAW (during that terrible Big Show match) and at the past NXT Takeover (and to be fair, its a pretty smarky crowd). Whatever his limitations, the backlash is totally because he's the "WWE Chosen One.," and the "smart crowd" doesn't want to be told who to cheer for. It's the perils of being a babyface in the Internet Age. I'd also argue that Ziggler and Rollins are in very good positions right now. Bryan is injured, so until he's back he shouldn't be even in the Main Event discussion. Even Ambrose is a two-time PPV main eventer, even if his booking is ridiculous right now. So even if Reigns is getting a push, it doesn't necessarily mean that any of these guys are being buried. And I predict that Reigns' inevitable heel turn will be absolutely loved by this board. If Reigns were better there would be no backlash. If Ziggler were "WWE's Chosen One" the only ones who would hate it would be the ones who never liked him to begin with. Fans would generally accept it because he has the ability to justify being "shoved down our throats". And thats the way it should be. If the fans get behind a guy, then the machine should follow suit in response. What exactly is "better" in terms of ring skills for a guy like Roman Reigns? No offense at all to you, but I always see that as an argument for why Roman shouldn't be pushed and I don't really understand what he should be doing that he isn't, in-ring wise.
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Post by Sparkybob on Dec 23, 2014 23:26:26 GMT -5
I hope Roman Reigns does a good job because he seems like a swell guy. I also hope if Roman doesn't get booed out of the building in one of these upcoming big events, people don't still try to ignore what happens because it doesn't fit into what they want to believe (Ex. Him winning the Slammy) There are lots of swell guys on the roster. What makes this one so special? I don't want him to fail because he seems like a swell guy. Just like I don't want other wrestler who seem like genuinely great people to fail in any role they are given.
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 23, 2014 23:27:57 GMT -5
If Reigns were better there would be no backlash. If Ziggler were "WWE's Chosen One" the only ones who would hate it would be the ones who never liked him to begin with. Fans would generally accept it because he has the ability to justify being "shoved down our throats". And thats the way it should be. If the fans get behind a guy, then the machine should follow suit in response. What exactly is "better" in terms of ring skills for a guy like Roman Reigns? No offense at all to you, but I always see that as an argument for why Roman shouldn't be pushed and I don't really understand what he should be doing that he isn't, in-ring wise. If you were to transfer all of Sheamus' talent to Reigns that would be the guy that would surpass Cena. But Reigns doesn't have Sheamus' talent. If Sheamus didn't have a Irish accent he would have been pretty big. I don't see someone like Sheamus leading a company even if the word World is in the company name it's the way management and the American audience is.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 23, 2014 23:29:28 GMT -5
If I had to go with someone right now I'd take a shot with Dolph. It's insane since I have been down on Ziggler in the past on here, noting in an ideal wrestling world he wouldn't hardly even sniff the IC title. A lot of that was due to the horrid way he had been booked, relying on Vickie all the time and then veering into another heel group with Big E and AJ that did nothing for him. Right now though? Ziggler is as over as he's going to be after taking out The Authority. It's time to do something with this guy and it's not like there's anyone else out there SO worth pushing.
It's obvious Reigns needs more seasoning before putting him in the main event. The injury only delayed that. The lethargic response he has gotten since returning isn't going to be helped by any sort of Big Show feud, which is where promising careers go to die. Right now I dunno if I would go with Ambrose because he has jobbed so hard of late that they almost need to rebuild him before putting him in the title scene. The guy can't beat Rollins or Wyatt, so why would anyone buy him against Lesnar (or Cena)?
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Post by Widow's Peak on Dec 23, 2014 23:33:18 GMT -5
And I predict that Reigns' inevitable heel turn will be absolutely loved by this board. Will his Photoshop threads rival Batista's, though? One can only hope. The Photoshop Throne as been empty for far too long. Seriously, I wonder if giving him some high profile losses might help ward off the backlash. Normally, having a top contender lose is terrible booking (even though they do it constantly), but in Reign's case it might help to knock him off his perch in the fan's eyes. Use his negatives to re-brand him as somewhat of an underdog who is facing an uphill battle against an unstoppable monster.
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Post by deancubed on Dec 23, 2014 23:57:58 GMT -5
I just said this in another thread, but I'll sum it up here:
Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Ziggler, Wyatt, and Rusev are ALL being groomed to main event in the future. They are the next Rock/SCSA/HHH/Foley/Taker, or Cena/Edge/Batista/Orton/Lesnar/Punk, or Hogan/Piper/Andre/Macho/DiBiase/Warrior. It's up in the air who will get to the world championship FIRST, but they will likely all touch it over the next 6-10 years.
Right now, they all have weaknesses that can get groomed out by being put in main event situations with veterans. And that is what the WWE is doing right now. Cena, Big Show, Orton, HHH, Kane, and Sheamus should all be in programs with these younger guys right now, and that's basically what has been happening. Cena/Rusev, Show/Reigns, Rollins/Orton, are all basically in various stages of happening from what we know.
And if your name isn't Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Ziggler, Wyatt, or Rusev (say, Erick Rowan) you have to wait your turn. So yes, feeding Rowan to Big Show to make Show look strong to put Reigns over is the RIGHT move for right now. Make those six guys look good as the final 6 in the Rumble, so if ANY of them win it's believable. They are doing a better job with some than others, but they ALL have focus on every RAW, and every PPV.
The midcarders are doing the same thing: Miz is making Sandow look like a million bucks, and Goldust is helping his brother, and that is also helping the Usos, etc.
TL;DR: Get used to Reigns, because he and others are going to be your main event for the next few years.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Dec 24, 2014 0:56:46 GMT -5
Gotta disagree. From mid-June to his injury, he was closing almost every segment he was in with him standing tall after spearing everyone in sight.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 24, 2014 0:59:20 GMT -5
I hope Roman Reigns does a good job because he seems like a swell guy. I also hope if Roman doesn't get booed out of the building in one of these upcoming big events, people don't still try to ignore what happens because it doesn't fit into what they want to believe (Ex. Him winning the Slammy) There are lots of swell guys on the roster. What makes this one so special? He isn't a jobber.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 24, 2014 1:03:00 GMT -5
As I've said before, Roman Reigns just isn't ready. He has limited in-ring ability and is poor on the mic, which is why he worked so well as the silent muscle in the SHIELD. In fact, he doesn't really look that big either. He isn't big enough to be considered a giant, and he's too big to be considered an underdog. So again, that adds another reason to describe him as merely average. The Rumble win/defeat Lesnar plan, if it exists, is doomed to fail. Reigns I think needs at least another year before he's ready for a main event push, and honestly, he may never be ready.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 24, 2014 3:29:41 GMT -5
]Although people will swear otherwise, the only time I've heard anything resembling an audible backlash was this past week at RAW (during that terrible Big Show match) and at the past NXT Takeover (and to be fair, its a pretty smarky crowd). I think the reaction during the Big Show match can be explained by 2 things, the first thing people didn't want to see Show get in that much offense. Fans wanted to see Reigns wreck shit, not get his ass kicked for most of the match. Of course for some reason they also booked Fandango to get way too much offense in against Reign. That booking works if he's going against a guy like Sheamus, Cesaro, or Barrett, someone who can have a match with Roman where they just beat the shit out of each other. The second thing, is it's Big Show. I like Big Show, but it's gotten to a point that feuding with him stops someone's momentum. Erick Rowan was getting good pops, the fans were behind him, then the Big Show feud started and the pops went down.
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