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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 25, 2014 1:01:17 GMT -5
Similar to the WCW International World Championship?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 25, 2014 1:04:30 GMT -5
It's already considered a world title in WWE
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Post by schma on Dec 25, 2014 2:49:45 GMT -5
International World Championship? That is possibly the most redundant title ever. Oh right World Wrestling Entertainment World Heavyweight Championship. Still...damn.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 25, 2014 3:00:54 GMT -5
No, because I still don't understand the lineage of this and the original WCW Championship at the same time. Also, two championships without differences in who's eligible or the rules of the match is lazy writing.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Dec 25, 2014 3:53:40 GMT -5
Now, now, now. If it wasn't a World Title, how would Cena have 15?
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Post by xCompackx on Dec 25, 2014 4:05:25 GMT -5
Now, now, now. If it wasn't a World Title, how would Cena have 15? That's probably the real reason they keep the WHC lineage. Though they could just say that John Cena is a 15 time WWE Champion if they really wanted to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 4:07:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't say so. The fact is that for most of their runs the two titles did go back and forth on which was more important and the World one did matter quite a bit. Just because around 2011 they seemingly just gave up on the thing shouldn't erase the eight years of it being a valid title before it.
And I wish it was still around honestly. The roster's too thin for it, but it'd make this Lesnar shit and the, "We want to push this guy, screw those other people!" stuff much more bearable since at least the other guys would have a consolation prize of sorts that's still actually kind of important.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 25, 2014 9:45:04 GMT -5
No, for God's sake no! I do not want to see Big Goldie ever again! Let the damn thing RIP!
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 25, 2014 11:38:58 GMT -5
No, because I still don't understand the lineage of this and the original WCW Championship at the same time. Also, two championships without differences in who's eligible or the rules of the match is lazy writing. Let me help -The Original World Heavyweight Title was created in 1905 -Fast foward about 43-45 years, the NWA World Heavyweight champ(which spun out the OG WHC) Lou Thez beats multiple World champs to show that the NWA WHC=THE Title -1985, The Big Gold Belt was created to rep the NWA WHC. -Jan. 1991 WCW in WCW fashion renames the NWA WHC to the WCW WHC. While the same belt is the NWA WHC. -Summer '91: You know the story Flair as Champ leaves WCW. Lex Luger beats Barry Windham to become WCW WHC(gets new belt), Flair is still NWA WHC(Big Gold Belt) -After legal battle NWA/WCW gets Big Gold back, Flair gets paid. -NJPW's '92 G1 Climax is held to determine NWA WHC. Masahiro Chono beats Rick Rude in finals.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 25, 2014 11:53:21 GMT -5
Part 2: -1993, Flair wins NWA WHC, later in the year Rick Rude beats Flair, WCW withdraws from NWA. WCW keeps the Big Gold Belt, which becomes WCW International(because f*** the NWA) WHC -1994 Flair beats Sting to unify WCW WHC & WCW International WHC. Big Gold once again reps as WCW WHC. -Vengance 2001, Y2J win WCW WHC, beats Austin for WWF Title to become Undisputed WWF HW Champ. WCW linenge ends. -2002 Eric Bischoff awards HHH The Big Gold Belt and that becomes the WHC we know. -2013 Orton beats Cena to unify WWE HW Title & WHC to create WWE WHC. Big Gold is retired after Brock wins title.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 25, 2014 13:30:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't say so. The fact is that for most of their runs the two titles did go back and forth on which was more important and the World one did matter quite a bit. Just because around 2011 they seemingly just gave up on the thing shouldn't erase the eight years of it being a valid title before it. And I wish it was still around honestly. The roster's too thin for it, but it'd make this Lesnar shit and the, "We want to push this guy, screw those other people!" stuff much more bearable since at least the other guys would have a consolation prize of sorts that's still actually kind of important. I'm glad it's gone because it was already obvious that the WHC didn't mean as much. - CM Punk is a three time World Heavyweight Champion, yet the Summer of Punk is based on the idea that he "never won the big one" and that WWE would be plunged into eternal darkness if he left with the WWE Title even though the WHC would still be there - Mark Henry is a former World Heavyweight Champion, yet his fake retirement angle is based on the idea that he "never won the big one" - Daniel Bryan is a former World Heavyweight Champion, yet he's presented as a guy who didnt "make it" until he won the WWE Championship. - Hell, Dolph Ziggler's current and recent Intercontinental Title reigns seem to mean more to his character than his World Title run did.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 25, 2014 13:52:09 GMT -5
Retconned? It was already considered a world title. So was the WCW International Heavyweight Championship. They even kept using the belt that represented the International Championship and retired the title that was used as the WCW Championship.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 25, 2014 14:54:14 GMT -5
-2013 John Cena beats Orton to unify WWE HW Title & WHC to create WWE WHC. Big Gold is retired. Pretty sure Orton best Cena to unify the titles in 2013, and the Big Gold wasn't retired until Lesnar beat Cena at SummerSlam.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Dec 25, 2014 15:27:54 GMT -5
I don't get it. Are we saying WHC shouldn't be considered a world title or should start to be considered a world title? Because from 2002 to 2013 the WHC was always a world title.
Until 2005 it was the big title on the big show and HHH's reign of terror made it mean something to carry the WHC. When Punk brought it back to RAW again in 08, it was still huge. 2011 was about when the title started going downhill.
It was always a world title, but the Punk-Cena fued was when it went from being a major world title on par with the WWE Championship to a B world title. Kinda like how the ECW title was a world title and no matter what people's opinions are about it turning into shit, it was always a world title until ECW went off the air in 2010.
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Post by Paco on Dec 25, 2014 15:43:51 GMT -5
Anything that brings down both Cena and Edge's ridiculous number of World Titles.
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Post by MrElijah on Dec 25, 2014 16:56:05 GMT -5
-2013 John Cena beats Orton to unify WWE HW Title & WHC to create WWE WHC. Big Gold is retired. Pretty sure Orton best Cena to unify the titles in 2013, and the Big Gold wasn't retired until Lesnar beat Cena at SummerSlam. Fixed that botch.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Dec 25, 2014 18:08:06 GMT -5
I'm not exactly sure what this thread is trying to accomplish...
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Dec 26, 2014 1:07:54 GMT -5
No, because I still don't understand the lineage of this and the original WCW Championship at the same time. Also, two championships without differences in who's eligible or the rules of the match is lazy writing. Let me help -The Original World Heavyweight Title was created in 1905 -Fast foward about 43-45 years, the NWA World Heavyweight champ(which spun out the OG WHC) Lou Thez beats multiple World champs to show that the NWA WHC=THE Title -1985, The Big Gold Belt was created to rep the NWA WHC. -Jan. 1991 WCW in WCW fashion renames the NWA WHC to the WCW WHC. While the same belt is the NWA WHC. -Summer '91: You know the story Flair as Champ leaves WCW. Lex Luger beats Barry Windham to become WCW WHC(gets new belt), Flair is still NWA WHC(Big Gold Belt) -After legal battle NWA/WCW gets Big Gold back, Flair gets paid. -NJPW's '92 G1 Climax is held to determine NWA WHC. Masahiro Chono beats Rick Rude in finals. Why didn't they just merge the two belts once they got possession of Big Gold back? I know Turner and the NWA were on the outs at the time, but WCW wasn't that big yet were they?
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Post by The Tee Why on Dec 26, 2014 1:24:01 GMT -5
No, this isn't Dragon Ball Z, nothing should be 'retconned'
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Post by Saiyanic Panic on Dec 26, 2014 8:20:51 GMT -5
No, this isn't Dragon Ball Z, nothing should be 'retconned' Frieza was always the most powerful being in the universe, even if he didn't always spell his name with an "i".
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