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Post by psychokiller on Dec 26, 2014 14:29:46 GMT -5
I think I'd have to go with Michael Bay being worse since I think the quality of The Sixth Sense can't be matched by anything Bay has done. The first Bad Boys was pretty good. And The Rock is really the only truly great movie Bay has made, but that was pretty much a fluke since everything after has been terrible. I admit Armageddon is cheesy fun to me & fun to watch, but realistically isn't a well made movie. It's basically just a guilty pleasure movie for me.
M. Night Shyamalan has done 3 quality movies in The Sixth Sense, Unbreakable, & Signs. I thought the Village was just okay & it's not really considered that bad by most people. But it's crap like Lady in the Water, The Happening, & After Earth that make people really dislike him.
So who is worse to you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 14:52:21 GMT -5
Both have terrible movies, and Shyamalan is notorious for not being able to have a straight ending to a film because he loves the swerve just as much, if not more, than Vince Russo. But Bay is notorious for being a "pyro and ballyhoo" kind of guy... just like Vince Russo.
I don't know where I'm going with this.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 26, 2014 14:56:42 GMT -5
TWIST!
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 26, 2014 14:59:21 GMT -5
I'm going with Shyamalan.
I think Bay's action scenes are absolutely atrocious and it being a big dumb action movie shouldn't give him a free pass for it because many big dumb action movies do it much better.
But when Shyamalan is bad, there's really no equal. His movies drag out in the worst ways, his actors give the most wooden, phony delivery, and they try to pass themselves off as serious, deep movie when they're as shallow as a kiddie pool.
If I could say one thing about Bay, at least his movies don't drag like Shyamalan.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 26, 2014 15:02:17 GMT -5
Shamalamadingdong ruined one cartoon series. Bay two, as well as many horror franchises.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2014 15:04:48 GMT -5
Shymalan.
I've enjoyed Unbreakable more than pretty much anything Bay ever did, but he's failed harder. Say what you will about Bay, and I think he's just awful most of the time, but at least he still knows what his audience wants and delivers that. One can argue whether or not it's GOOD that he makes the money, but I'll give Bay that, he at least delivers what his fanbase wants to see.
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Post by psychokiller on Dec 26, 2014 15:06:25 GMT -5
Both have terrible movies, and Shyamalan is notorious for not being able to have a straight ending to a film because he loves the swerve just as much, if not more, than Vince Russo. But Bay is notorious for being a "pyro and ballyhoo" kind of guy... just like Vince Russo. I don't know where I'm going with this. Imagine if Russo & Shyamalan wrote a movie together. That would be insane.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 26, 2014 15:09:59 GMT -5
M. Night had a great start with The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, so at least he has that. He also basically cast himself as God in Lady in the Water and made The Happening, Avatar and the Smith's do dumb shit: the movie...so you know, I dunno. Bay being a misogynist prick and incapable of keeping a camera still in most of his movies doesn't help.
Just pick someone, I can't do it.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 26, 2014 15:11:23 GMT -5
It is hard to tell. Both have had good movies and both have had bad movies. Thing is, even their bad movies can be entertaining to some people. Obviously, enough people dig EXPLOSIONS!!!! to ensure that Bay keeps getting to make movies (and I did like Armageddon so long as I don't focus on how wrong the science is). The last Shyamalan movie that I watched was The Village. It started out okay and had aspects that I liked. I did not even hate the twist at the end. To me, the biggest flaw in that movie is that it sort of went flat before the twist, so you were not particularly emotionally invested at the time of the twist.
BTW, it is not just M. Night that loves to have twist endings. Hollywood in general does. It's not his fault that his twists were better than everyone else's at first.
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Post by wakko on Dec 26, 2014 15:40:34 GMT -5
I'm going with Shyamalan. I think Bay's action scenes are absolutely atrocious and it being a big dumb action movie shouldn't give him a free pass for it because many big dumb action movies do it much better. But when Shyamalan is bad, there's really no equal. His movies drag out in the worst ways, his actors give the most wooden, phony delivery, and they try to pass themselves off as serious, deep movie when they're as shallow as a kiddie pool. If I could say one thing about Bay, at least his movies don't drag like Shyamalan. Bays last two Transformer movies were just a tick under 3 hours. They fall under the drag on category, at least for me. Bad Boys II also seemed to drag, but nowhere near the extent of Transformers movies do. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 26, 2014 15:55:33 GMT -5
Bay makes popcorn-sellers with EXPLOSIONS! and generally lots of dumb action, but he's open and makes no bones about it. His movies are also fairly good in their genre.
Shyamalan makes movies with UNEXPECTED TWIST(tm) and is usually pretentious for the sake of being pretentious. Most of his movies only give you headaches trying to figure them out or cover the plotholes.
Bay is the superior here, although none of them is particularry good.
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Dec 26, 2014 16:16:59 GMT -5
I don't like any M Night movies, even Sixth Sense and Unbreakable. Though I love Sam Jackson in Unbreakable.
Michael Bay, I think The Rock is an action classic, and occasionally he entertains me with stuff like Bad Boys 2's ridiculousness. And I found Pain and Gain surprisingly good, though he didn't write it or anything, and based on a true story. But he has also directed what I would say is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, Pearl Harbor.
Still, gotta give M Night the nod personally for the badness, he is so bad. And not it a cool 80s way like the powerglove.
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Post by blackmegaman on Dec 26, 2014 16:27:20 GMT -5
Personally Bay has made more movies that I actually enjoyed (Bad Boys I&II , Pain and Gain , and Transformers I) , and plus (and I know this is my fandom Blinding me) I can't forgive M. Night for the Sacrilege that was Avatar.
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Post by psychokiller on Dec 26, 2014 16:38:03 GMT -5
Personally Bay has made more movies that I actually enjoyed (Bad Boys I&II , Pain and Gain , and Transformers I) , and plus (and I know this is my fandom Blinding me) I can't forgive M. Night for the Sacrilege that was Avatar. Don't you mean After Earth?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2014 18:40:58 GMT -5
Bay, because I like a lot of MNS' movies.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Dec 26, 2014 19:19:10 GMT -5
Shyamalan by the length of the straight. The Village is close to the worst movie I have ever seen.
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Post by bob on Dec 26, 2014 19:22:57 GMT -5
hmmmm
Let's see:
From Shyamalan I abolsutely loved The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable.
Signs is ok, even if the ending makes no damn sense.
I really hated The Village, The Lady in the Water and The Happening.
From Bay
He hasn't made anything I really loved.
I liked Bad Boys but I haven't seen that since I was a kid. The same goes for Armageddon.
I liked Transformers but was very let down as it felt like something epic during the first third of movie to me and then it went down hill after the robots first showed up.
I have The Rock, Bad Boys 1 and 2 but haven't seen them at all or in ages. Everything else the man has directed I've never seen.
I don't know who is worse, I guess, but this is a very interesting question.
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Post by Starshine on Dec 26, 2014 19:37:37 GMT -5
Shyamalan wins because he directed Lady in the Water.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 26, 2014 22:19:17 GMT -5
Lady in the Water would have been a decent movie had MNS not decided to cast himself as a revolutionary writer whose work would change the world.
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Post by Hurbster on Dec 26, 2014 23:35:21 GMT -5
Both shite, both made movies I like (Unbreakable and The Rock) and both have made movies I despise (Pearl Harbour and The Village). I dislike more of Shamalamadingdongs work though. So IMO he is the most shite out of the two of them.
A bad Bay film can be watchable for the shootbangs. A bad Shamalamadingdong film is just, well crap.
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