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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 19:11:21 GMT -5
So the Mizdow gimmick is over like rover, and we're all kinda loving it.
My only worry is the payoff.
WWE has a bad track record for payoffs in recent years as it is, but my worry is that I don't understand how you would pay this angle off well anyway.
Mizdow is over because he imitates The Miz. We have an angle that's virtually one of a kind, with a heel and face wrestler tag-teaming with virtually no dissension at this point at all, but where do you go with it?
At a certain point, Mizdow has to stop doing this. If he turns on Miz, he stops being the stunt double. He will likely get a huge pop for finally laying Miz out but then where do you go with it? We have a babyface Sandow with all of his previously interesting characteristics stripped out, and no-one to imitate because he's feuding with the guy he's imitating.
How do you actually pay this off well? The second he's not imitating Miz, surely the fans will stop caring?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 19:13:30 GMT -5
The natural cut off point is Mizdow not eliminating himself at the Rumble. Any other point is a waste. How you keep him a face after it though, I am not sure. A continuity way of doing it is have him slightly revert back to his Intellectual Saviour thing by saying he was playing Miz all along and Miz was his stunt double as he did all the work while Sandow got love.
How you manage to keep that up as a face though outside of working with Miz, I am not sure. Alex Riley had the same problem.
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Post by Instant Classic on Dec 27, 2014 19:13:33 GMT -5
He starts talking more and Mizdow tells Miz he's the real stunt double for taking all the bumps and Mizdow is the real star. That could be a few more months, so time will tell.
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Post by audiencewatching on Dec 27, 2014 20:05:38 GMT -5
I'd love some authority figure to put them in a 3 way title match (IC probably)... when its announced have Miz act cocky and Sandow act conflicted. Match happens and Sandow turns on Miz and looks to win, but at the last second changes his mind and gives Miz the win. Then have Miz mistreat him further week in week out, leading to Sandow blowing up and beating him at a PPV.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2014 20:08:13 GMT -5
Sandow punches him in the face and leaves him for dead.
There's your payoff.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 20:09:53 GMT -5
Sandow punches him in the face and leaves him for dead. There's your payoff. But then what does Sandow do? Disappear for months for retooling? Isn't that a waste of his heat? Perhaps 'payoff' was the wrong choice of words. What is next for Sandow after he turns on Miz?
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2014 20:23:31 GMT -5
Sandow punches him in the face and leaves him for dead. There's your payoff. But then what does Sandow do? Disappear for months for retooling? Isn't that a waste of his heat? Perhaps 'payoff' was the wrong choice of words. What is next for Sandow after he turns on Miz? Nothing. This is pretty much it for him. Once it's over, it's just a matter of time before he's released. They don't know what to do with Sandow.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 20:29:38 GMT -5
But then what does Sandow do? Disappear for months for retooling? Isn't that a waste of his heat? Perhaps 'payoff' was the wrong choice of words. What is next for Sandow after he turns on Miz? Nothing. This is pretty much it for him. Once it's over, it's just a matter of time before he's released. They don't know what to do with Sandow. I know. The entire point of this thread is that I can't even think how a competent booker could continue this angle. It's painted itself into a corner. I was trying to see if anyone could think of a good way to progress it after he turns on Miz since people on here frequently have better ideas than WWE.
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Post by walterharrow on Dec 27, 2014 20:31:15 GMT -5
I think its all going to lead to Miz vs Sandow at Wrestlemania
They could very easily build it up by having the Miz get eliminated in the Royal Rumble and demand that Mizdow does the same. They could have Miz verbally berate him and keep pushing him to eliminate himself but the fans get behind Mizdow and convince him not to do it. Simple heel vs face feud ensues (but WWE will no doubt do what they always do and screw it up and turn Sandow heel by having him become too obssesed with his new 'fame' and have Miz turn face to put an end to him)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 20:38:33 GMT -5
The best way they could play it the straight, corny way. Like all the losses emotionally stunted him, which affected him mentally. A lost soul, he found his calling impersonating others, a true intellectual reduced to a court jester. But, through the adulation of the WWE Universe, and a tag team title reign, he has regained his confidence and his intellect is restored. He goes on to get his old gimmick/attire back, and his face turn is solidified by interrupting/insulting Miz and later targeting other heels in a similar way.
That's pretty trite stuff, but it would tie things up and bring Sandow back to where he should be with his gimmick in tact.
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 27, 2014 20:39:04 GMT -5
They have a match and if Miz loses he becomes Sandows stunt double.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Dec 27, 2014 20:58:02 GMT -5
They have a match and if Miz loses he becomes Sandows stunt double. Now THAT is some old school territory nonsense that I can get behind!
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Post by deancubed on Dec 28, 2014 0:05:29 GMT -5
Well, start the feud at the Rumble, obviously. Have them get on each others nerves costing them the tag titles in a triple threat at Elimination Chamber (or whatever the PPV after Rumble is). Have Naomi (or is it Cameron?) cost the Usos their shot by siding with Miz, so we end up with Gold and Stardust as tag champs again. Sandow and Miz feud 1v1 for Mania, and have the Usos get involved, beating up Miz and turning heel. Sandow saves Miz, but Miz stabs him in the back and pins Sandow.
Post-Mania, have Sandow go after the heel Usos 1v2, and move Miz into a program with one of the Shield.
Timeline:
Rumble: Sandow doesn't eliminate himself, ticking off Miz. PPV after Rumble: Sandow/Miz vs. Usos vs. Gold/Stardust - G+S take the titles after the Uso's girl gets involved by helping Miz. RAWs before Mania: Miz blames Sandow, Sandow doesn't want to be the stunt double anymore. Set up Miz/Sandow for Mania. The Uso's girl is now Miz' valet. Wrestlemania: Usos attack Miz for revenge over the girlfriend situation, taking it too far. Sandow heroically saves Miz from the 2v1 ambush during the match. Miz thanks Sandow by stealing a pinfall after shaking his hand.
Post Mania: Sandow blames Usos, and we get underdog Sandow vs 2 former tag champs who are now heels. Miz + new valet chick set their sights on someone higher on the food chain after their "stunning and heroic Mania victory".
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Post by PTBartman on Dec 28, 2014 0:22:00 GMT -5
Nothing. This is pretty much it for him. Once it's over, it's just a matter of time before he's released. They don't know what to do with Sandow. I know. The entire point of this thread is that I can't even think how a competent booker could continue this angle. It's painted itself into a corner. I was trying to see if anyone could think of a good way to progress it after he turns on Miz since people on here frequently have better ideas than WWE. The only way I can see it happening, is to have him "discovered." Have a manager/agent convince him that he could be a star in his own right.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2014 0:22:31 GMT -5
The natural cut off point is Mizdow not eliminating himself at the Rumble. Any other point is a waste. How you keep him a face after it though, I am not sure. A continuity way of doing it is have him slightly revert back to his Intellectual Saviour thing by saying he was playing Miz all along and Miz was his stunt double as he did all the work while Sandow got love. How you manage to keep that up as a face though outside of working with Miz, I am not sure. Alex Riley had the same problem. Saying that he was playing Miz doesn't sound very face-ish. Sandow really wouldn't be rootable outside of "lol Sandow's a face because Miz sucks and we hate him". I honestly don't think Sandow should turn face. I personally think the cutoff should be Miz getting crushed by a monster heel and Sandow being too fixated on imitating Miz to actually help him. Then you can evolve Sandow into having w breakdown and thinking he's Miz before making him a general "unhinged" character (I know we have enough of those already, but still). Riley actually did manage to function without Miz for a bit and be over without working with him. He was actually better off as a face solo act (if they used him more) than Sandow would be. A-Ry at least has the high energy, fast paced in ring style that can pop crowds. Idk if I can say the same for Sandow.
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Post by PTBartman on Dec 28, 2014 0:24:46 GMT -5
Well, start the feud at the Rumble, obviously. Have them get on each others nerves costing them the tag titles in a triple threat at Elimination Chamber (or whatever the PPV after Rumble is). Have Naomi (or is it Cameron?) cost the Usos their shot by siding with Miz, so we end up with Gold and Stardust as tag champs again. Sandow and Miz feud 1v1 for Mania, and have the Usos get involved, beating up Miz and turning heel. Sandow saves Miz, but Miz stabs him in the back and pins Sandow. Post-Mania, have Sandow go after the heel Usos 1v2, and move Miz into a program with one of the Shield. Timeline: Rumble: Sandow doesn't eliminate himself, ticking off Miz. PPV after Rumble: Sandow/Miz vs. Usos vs. Gold/Stardust - G+S take the titles after the Uso's girl gets involved by helping Miz. RAWs before Mania: Miz blames Sandow, Sandow doesn't want to be the stunt double anymore. Set up Miz/Sandow for Mania. The Uso's girl is now Miz' valet. Wrestlemania: Usos attack Miz for revenge over the girlfriend situation, taking it too far. Sandow heroically saves Miz from the 2v1 ambush during the match. Miz thanks Sandow by stealing a pinfall after shaking his hand. Post Mania: Sandow blames Usos, and we get underdog Sandow vs 2 former tag champs who are now heels. Miz + new valet chick set their sights on someone higher on the food chain after their "stunning and heroic Mania victory". I really like this scenario. Well done Deancubed.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2014 0:27:04 GMT -5
Why exactly is Miz supposed to be pissed off that Mizdow doesn't eliminate himself from the Rumble. He doesn't even seem to react to or acknowledge Mizdow except when he's playing to the crowd in tag matches.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 28, 2014 0:30:36 GMT -5
Needs to have a Miz vs. Sandow blowoff at Mania, would rather easily be the best built up match on the card.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 0:38:40 GMT -5
Why exactly is Miz supposed to be pissed off that Mizdow doesn't eliminate himself from the Rumble. He doesn't even seem to react to or acknowledge Mizdow except when he's playing to the crowd in tag matches. I think it should more be something where Miz is doing his typical for battle royals thing of lying outside the ring trying to avoid being noticed, Mizdow chucks somebody and stands taunting by the ropes, and Miz runs in and dumps him out. Then Mizdow, for lack of an alternative of who else is by the ropes or for revenge, keep it ambiguous, sneaks back in and dumps out Miz while he's boasting.
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Post by CMWaters on Dec 28, 2014 0:45:04 GMT -5
I had a dream about this.
Didn't go too far into the payoff, but...
The segment happens after Miz and Damien lose the tag titles. The next night on Raw, Miz is berating Mizdow, saying it's all his fault, whne suddenly, Damien interrupts with one loud "SILENCE!"
He seems apologetic, Miz continues, slaps Mizdow, the retalation where Damien leaves Miz laying....he grabs the mic...
"YOU'RE WELCOME!"
And the Hallelujah chorus plays as he leaves.
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