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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 28, 2014 12:48:59 GMT -5
Can you imagine the fuss if Brock had been beating people other than Cena?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 28, 2014 12:59:42 GMT -5
Can you imagine the fuss if Brock had been beating people other than Cena? Yeah. It might look a little something like this.
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Post by Blindkarevik on Dec 28, 2014 13:10:33 GMT -5
*Wrestlemania ends, Vince McMahon walks into Brock's locker room* Vince: Brock, great job this run. Sad to see you leave. Brock: Thanks a lot, Vince. It was fun! We'll be in contact, definitely interested in coming back down the line! Vince: Thank you for dropping the title tonight, was a great match... really made Roman look strong. Brock: Good to hear, I wanted to make sure I left the right way this time. Vince: Anyway... Brock, you're going back to UFC, right? Brock: Absolutely. Vince: Can you do me a favor? Brock: Vince... don't. Vince: ... take out Punk. Brock: ... Vince, it doesn't work that way... Vince: ... take.... him... out. Brock: ..... k, Vince.. I'm leaving. Heh, uh, bye! We'll be in touch! See ya! *leaves* Vince: *rubs hands together with McMahon face*
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 28, 2014 13:20:37 GMT -5
*Wrestlemania ends, Vince McMahon walks into Brock's locker room* Vince: Brock, great job this run. Sad to see you leave. Brock: Thanks a lot, Vince. It was fun! We'll be in contact, definitely interested in coming back down the line! Vince: Thank you for dropping the title tonight, was a great match... really made Roman look strong. Brock: Good to hear, I wanted to make sure I left the right way this time. Vince: Anyway... Brock, you're going back to UFC, right? Brock: Absolutely. Vince: Can you do me a favor? Brock: Vince... don't. Vince: ... take out Punk. Brock: ... Vince, it doesn't work that way... Vince: ... take.... him... out. Brock: ..... k, Vince.. I'm leaving. Heh, uh, bye! We'll be in touch! See ya! *leaves* Vince: *rubs hands together with McMahon face* Vince: I want CM Punk killed Brock: But Vince, that's CB Dollaway Vince: KILLED!
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Post by FAR5222 on Dec 28, 2014 13:51:15 GMT -5
I can't suspend disbelief of anyone in WWE defeating Lesnar. No one looks believable. When Cena beat him in his first match back that was complete B.S. HHH beating him at Mania 29 A YEAR BEFORE LESNAR ENDED THE STREAK was INSANE.
The moment Lesnar won the title they should have had him booked for every PPV and they should have had him show up on the last two Raws before a PPV. That right there is limited enough. He works three dates a month.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2014 13:57:55 GMT -5
Can you imagine the fuss if Brock had been beating people other than Cena? There wouldn't have been a fuss. If it were people other than Cena, then those matches likely would've been more competitive. The Summerslam match went the way It did BECAUSE it was Cena.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Dec 28, 2014 14:05:14 GMT -5
Can you imagine the fuss if Brock had been beating people other than Cena? There wouldn't have been a fuss. If it were people other than Cena, then those matches likely would've been more competitive. The Summerslam match went the way It did BECAUSE it was Cena. I don't understand
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Post by Andy Martin on Dec 28, 2014 14:33:52 GMT -5
Can you imagine the fuss if Brock had been beating people other than Cena? There wouldn't have been a fuss. If it were people other than Cena, then those matches likely would've been more competitive. The Summerslam match went the way It did BECAUSE it was Cena. I don't follow your logic here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 15:05:55 GMT -5
There wouldn't have been a fuss. If it were people other than Cena, then those matches likely would've been more competitive. The Summerslam match went the way It did BECAUSE it was Cena. I don't follow your logic here. Cena is completely bulletproof. He could do absolutely anything at this point and he wouldn't be harmed by it. Combine that with his whole stick being that he overcomes insurmountable odds six times a month, it made for a good story for Lesnar to just absolutely crush him, and it did no damage to Cena whatsoever because as said, nothing can harm him by now. If it were someone like Bryan or Orton getting throttled like that, though? They don't have as much of a history of shrugging off everything imaginable and being the favorite to win no matter what circumstances they're up against, so it would have hurt them to be booked in the same way.
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Post by Hanzo on Dec 28, 2014 17:24:01 GMT -5
Woah, woah, woah... Hang on just a second!
So everybody's thinking that BROCK LESNAR will lose at WrestleMania, huh?
That's what everybody thought last year too!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 17:25:33 GMT -5
Lesnar isn't losing until Mania and nor should he. When Roman or Dolph beat Lesnar they will be launched into that top tier that only Cena occupies at the moment. Lesnar losing to Cena or anyone else before hand does not do a damned thing for anyone except reset everything once again and now is not the time for it. You don't waste The Streak, a Summerslam title squash and all the money spent on the same old shit. Now is the time you make Roman and start the build for Roman/Cena down the line. Well, if Cena won the title from Lesnar and drops it to Reigns or Ziggler CLEAN at Mania, it'd be just as big a win for either of them. Also, Cena/Reigns would be a hell of a lot better than Lesnar/Reigns on all fronts. Lesnar/Ziggler, however...that I want to see. But Ziggler/Cena in a match where Ziggler actually wins would be spectacular in it's own right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:39:18 GMT -5
Lesnar isn't losing until Mania and nor should he. When Roman or Dolph beat Lesnar they will be launched into that top tier that only Cena occupies at the moment. Lesnar losing to Cena or anyone else before hand does not do a damned thing for anyone except reset everything once again and now is not the time for it. You don't waste The Streak, a Summerslam title squash and all the money spent on the same old shit. Now is the time you make Roman and start the build for Roman/Cena down the line. Well, if Cena won the title from Lesnar and drops it to Reigns or Ziggler CLEAN at Mania, it'd be just as big a win for either of them. Also, Cena/Reigns would be a hell of a lot better than Lesnar/Reigns on all fronts. Lesnar/Ziggler, however...that I want to see. But Ziggler/Cena in a match where Ziggler actually wins would be spectacular in it's own right. Well, a match Ziggler actually wins that isn't entirely because of AJ and doesn't seem him losing to Cena every single week for the next month afterward, anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:41:32 GMT -5
I hope the mania main event is:
Orton V Cena V Lesnar V Batista : End of an Era
just to see the internet meltdown really.
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Post by The Trashman on Dec 28, 2014 18:46:30 GMT -5
I have been pretty positive that Cena is going to be the one to take the title off Brock since Night of Champions so Cena wins and Rollins cashes in at the Rumble.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 28, 2014 18:47:13 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is a good advocate for Brock on the shows where he's allow to really just talk smack unfiltered (usually against John Cena but sometimes he generously uses Brock's badassery to run his mouth on foes like Jericho and get his bully friend to kick ass for him without a payback). Paul's good but we should be seeing a segment where he brings the WWE WHC with him and talks crap at least every RAW if Brock's absent.
And it's hard to see who else Brock can continually vanquish that would be impressive, if he's already bested HHH, Cena, and 'Taker. There aren't any other faces or heels that draw better on the roster now. For the most bang/buck he should only feud with the guy that's eventually gonna conquer Lesnar for the rub, or rematch the other three and spin wheels on that huge monster heat.
Feuding with a random credible face only for him to be viciously fed to the Beast Incarnate would probably not be as wise to spend one of his PPV appearances on, especially if Cena/Lesnar would get more buys. I'd like to see Lesnar/Jericho on one of his random RAW visits though, non-title only.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:52:28 GMT -5
Paul Heyman is a good advocate for Brock on the shows where he's allow to really just talk smack unfiltered (usually against John Cena but sometimes he generously uses Brock's badassery to run his mouth on foes like Jericho and get his bully friend to kick ass for him without a payback). Paul's good but we should be seeing a segment where he brings the WWE WHC with him and talks crap at least every RAW if Brock's absent. And it's hard to see who else Brock can continually vanquish that would be impressive, if he's already bested HHH, Cena, and 'Taker. There aren't any other faces or heels that draw better on the roster now. For the most bang/buck he should only feud with the guy that's eventually gonna conquer Lesnar for the rub, or rematch the other three and spin wheels on that huge monster heat. Feuding with a random credible face only for him to be viciously fed to the Beast Incarnate would probably not be as wise to spend one of his PPV appearances on, especially if Cena/Lesnar would get more buys. I'd like to see Lesnar/Jericho on one of his random RAW visits though, non-title only. I've always thought it should've been done something like this... Hell in a Cell - Blow off the Cena feud here. Survivor Series - Roman Reigns. Have Reigns take him to the limit but lose clean so that then later if they do the Mania match there's at least some sort of drama there and a hurdle for him to overcome, plus they already have some history instead of them expecting to sell eight weeks worth of TV around, "I won the Rumble so I get a title shot." TLC - Ziggler. More unpredictable face who can hang with Lesnar in a TLC match since it allows him some weapons to try and slow him down and he doesn't have to pin him to win so you can pretty much do a Jeff / Taker thing with it. Rumble - Orton. Orton could be painted as being a bit more of a threat than Cena was due to just how depraved he is. Maybe have something where he punts Lesnar but just to put over how crazy-tough Brock is he kicks out of it. Elimination Chamber - Brock effortlessly wrecks everybody and looks completely unstoppable. WrestleMania - Lesnar drops the title to somebody.
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Post by cabbageboy on Dec 28, 2014 18:55:20 GMT -5
I don't understand the "no one is credible beating Brock" talk. Up until this year it's not like the guy has ever been some unstoppable force. He lost to HHH and Cena during his recent comeback and it's not like he was ultra dominant in his 2002-04 run. He lost to Big Show, Angle several times, Eddie Guerrero, and Goldberg in that WM laughing stock. If anything, utterly crushing Cena is the anomaly here.
Jobbing Lesnar to HHH isn't a baffling move. He still won the overall feud, taking 2/3 matches. What's a truly idiotic booking move was having Lesnar be the guy to end the streak if he's just going back to UFC a little over a year later. If they wanted to end the streak, at least let someone get over with the win.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:58:52 GMT -5
I don't understand the "no one is credible beating Brock" talk. Up until this year it's not like the guy has ever been some unstoppable force. He lost to HHH and Cena during his recent comeback and it's not like he was ultra dominant in his 2002-04 run. He lost to Big Show, Angle several times, Eddie Guerrero, and Goldberg in that WM laughing stock. If anything, utterly crushing Cena is the anomaly here. Jobbing Lesnar to HHH isn't a baffling move. He still won the overall feud, taking 2/3 matches. What's a truly idiotic booking move was having Lesnar be the guy to end the streak if he's just going back to UFC a little over a year later. If they wanted to end the streak, at least let someone get over with the win. I will grant that the idea of Lesnar passing the rub to someone else is the best way they could have done the streak ending. I really think it should have been eternal, but if someone like a Ziggler or Reigns ended it, the crowd would turn on them. Look how stunned and then genuinely pissed off the crowd was over it; Lesnar has enough credibility, goodwill, and general badassery that he's able to make it work, but it had to be somebody not only established but respected. He could've done it, Punk could have, maybe Bryan, Michaels, Triple H really, but not many other people.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 28, 2014 20:25:53 GMT -5
I don't understand the "no one is credible beating Brock" talk. Up until this year it's not like the guy has ever been some unstoppable force. He lost to HHH and Cena during his recent comeback and it's not like he was ultra dominant in his 2002-04 run. He lost to Big Show, Angle several times, Eddie Guerrero, and Goldberg in that WM laughing stock. If anything, utterly crushing Cena is the anomaly here. Jobbing Lesnar to HHH isn't a baffling move. He still won the overall feud, taking 2/3 matches. What's a truly idiotic booking move was having Lesnar be the guy to end the streak if he's just going back to UFC a little over a year later. If they wanted to end the streak, at least let someone get over with the win. I will grant that the idea of Lesnar passing the rub to someone else is the best way they could have done the streak ending. I really think it should have been eternal, but if someone like a Ziggler or Reigns ended it, the crowd would turn on them. Look how stunned and then genuinely pissed off the crowd was over it; Lesnar has enough credibility, goodwill, and general badassery that he's able to make it work, but it had to be somebody not only established but respected. He could've done it, Punk could have, maybe Bryan, Michaels, Triple H really, but not many other people. I still remember the rumors that they wanted to give it to Ted Jr....
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2014 20:31:50 GMT -5
I will grant that the idea of Lesnar passing the rub to someone else is the best way they could have done the streak ending. I really think it should have been eternal, but if someone like a Ziggler or Reigns ended it, the crowd would turn on them. Look how stunned and then genuinely pissed off the crowd was over it; Lesnar has enough credibility, goodwill, and general badassery that he's able to make it work, but it had to be somebody not only established but respected. He could've done it, Punk could have, maybe Bryan, Michaels, Triple H really, but not many other people. I still remember the rumors that they wanted to give it to Ted Jr.... Ted Jr. Maybe wasnt a wise choice to end the streak but Could have run with a bigger push. He didn't even really get the chance to be a failure or a flop. He was just...nothing. I just think Its a waste that Lesnar's entire run only serves to make one guy. Whether it's Reigns, Ziggler or someone else, WWE are still stuck in that "only one guy matters" mindset.
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