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Post by wcc2 on Dec 30, 2014 20:56:42 GMT -5
Guy gets over as a babyface with a dynamic moveset. Booking solution: turn him heel, take away his moves. Guy has all the wrestling ability in the world and arguably more natural strength and agility (not high-flying, but in terms of balance and coordination) than anybody else on the roster, capable of absurd athletic feats. Unfortunately, while he has some personality and quirkiness to him, he's not much for cutting "WWE style" promos. Booking solution: Job him out in short matches and force him to cut promos in front of the live audience. How about this? You have a freaking superman on your roster who can have a great match with nearly anybody on the roster, but he's not a great talker, SO YOU GIVE HIM A MOUTHPIECE AND HAVE HIM CUT PROMOS BACKSTAGE. Claudio Castagnoli spent years touring the entire freaking planet honing his craft as a wrestler, and WWE has decided "Nah, that's not good enough, we need to push you out of your comfort zone and emphasize any and all of your weaknesses while doing all we can to distract from your clearly superior abilities that you've spent years demonstrating across at least three continents." Tell me, did WWE try doing this with Hulk Hogan? Ted DiBiase? Curt Hennig? Did they hire these guys on the strength of what abilities they had demonstrated in various promotions around America and the rest of the world, and then quickly say "Now screw all that, you need to get over OUR way"? You want to argue that Cesaro should be able to cut a decent promo in front of a live audience, fine; Bret Hart had to learn that, too...but they didn't force him into it two years after he was hired, and make his run and push hinge on it. They let him wear shades, gave him Jimmy Hart as a mouthpiece and Jim Neidhart as a comic foil, and let him develop over time. But dear God, WWE, do us all a favor and stop trying to "find the next Austin or Rock", which translates to "force all of our wrestlers to try and become the next Austin or Rock, even if it doesn't suit their strengths and draws out the weaknesses". It's so incredibly stupid, and a huge reason why you're an absolute nightmare to sit through. They aren't trying to find the next Austin or Rock with everyone, it's just, to be a top WWE star, you have to be damn good in so many different areas. If they are going through different stuff right now, it's just to see what he can do. If he fails at a lot of it and ends up as this guy that can wrestle well and is really strong but nothing else, then that's what he will be. But if that's the case, he isn't this Kurt Angle, Daniel Bryan type talent that people are making him out to be. They were stars. They were personalities. Cesaro is just a good wrestler. Personally, I think he'd make a much better face than he does a heel. Everything he does as a heel seems so forced, like he doesn't truly buy into it himself, and is probably a large reason why he doesn't connect. And most guys tend to get over first by showing personality as a heel and transitioning into a face that is genuinely liked because he's built a connection. But Cesaro seems like a genuinely nice guy. An intellitent, humble guy that has spent years perfecting what he can do well, and can demonstrate awesome feats of strength. It may actually be easier for him to connect as a likeable guy than as a heel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 21:36:43 GMT -5
Guy gets over as a babyface with a dynamic moveset. Booking solution: turn him heel, take away his moves. Guy has all the wrestling ability in the world and arguably more natural strength and agility (not high-flying, but in terms of balance and coordination) than anybody else on the roster, capable of absurd athletic feats. Unfortunately, while he has some personality and quirkiness to him, he's not much for cutting "WWE style" promos. Booking solution: Job him out in short matches and force him to cut promos in front of the live audience. How about this? You have a freaking superman on your roster who can have a great match with nearly anybody on the roster, but he's not a great talker, SO YOU GIVE HIM A MOUTHPIECE AND HAVE HIM CUT PROMOS BACKSTAGE. Claudio Castagnoli spent years touring the entire freaking planet honing his craft as a wrestler, and WWE has decided "Nah, that's not good enough, we need to push you out of your comfort zone and emphasize any and all of your weaknesses while doing all we can to distract from your clearly superior abilities that you've spent years demonstrating across at least three continents." Tell me, did WWE try doing this with Hulk Hogan? Ted DiBiase? Curt Hennig? Did they hire these guys on the strength of what abilities they had demonstrated in various promotions around America and the rest of the world, and then quickly say "Now screw all that, you need to get over OUR way"? You want to argue that Cesaro should be able to cut a decent promo in front of a live audience, fine; Bret Hart had to learn that, too...but they didn't force him into it two years after he was hired, and make his run and push hinge on it. They let him wear shades, gave him Jimmy Hart as a mouthpiece and Jim Neidhart as a comic foil, and let him develop over time. But dear God, WWE, do us all a favor and stop trying to "find the next Austin or Rock", which translates to "force all of our wrestlers to try and become the next Austin or Rock, even if it doesn't suit their strengths and draws out the weaknesses". It's so incredibly stupid, and a huge reason why you're an absolute nightmare to sit through. They aren't trying to find the next Austin or Rock with everyone, it's just, to be a top WWE star, you have to be damn good in so many different areas. I don't buy that. All too often in the past they've shown that if you're not bringing them success the way they want it, you mean nothing to them. Look how Mania 20 with Benoit on top did a huge jump in business from the year before, that was a complete flop despite being built around Vince, Hogan, and their chosen face of the company at the time. They still opted to undermine his run at every turn by putting him in random midcard storylines while Triple H was still central to everything or by having him have to get bailed out by Eugene any time he faced him one-on-one, then they had him drop the title to someone who all along they've tried their damnedest to make the next Rock, down to him also being third-generation. Or how Ambrose was the top merch seller for Black Friday this year, and yet he could probably offer to work free for a year and Vince still wouldn't agree to give him even a token win over anybody he feuds with judging by how pitiful the booking for him's been since the Shield broke up. WWE doesn't want to be successful through whatever works, they want to be successful on their own terms.
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Post by blake6905 on Dec 30, 2014 21:38:28 GMT -5
I'm usually fine with flubbing a line, but there's flubbing, then there's outright saying something that is false. And then take into account this was a serious promo about how the office should take him seriously. That was almost Sid cringeworthy, and I say that as a fan of Cesaro. You can't make promo mistakes like that. Butchering a word is one thing, looking like a fool who can't count is another. Thing is though.... What was the point in letting him "shoot" in the first place? He was booked to lose to BNB in 2 minutes... None of it really made sense
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 30, 2014 22:48:15 GMT -5
It boils down to this: the writing team's job is to figure out "how can we utilize the assets we have on hand to make the most money".
If Cesaro isn't an ace at doing in-ring promos, then put him in a situation where he doesn't have to do that as much. If he's better playing off another personality and being himself in that context, then give him a manager or teammate or what have you he can do that with. Fans clearly want to see him wrestle and do amazing moves that involve his ridiculous strength; there's money to be made off that. If you keep denying fans a chance to see him do those things, then you aren't making money, and you're failing as wrestling writers.
If him doing in-ring promos doesn't "connect" with the fans, then find what in his arsenal DOES connect with the fans and emphasize the hell out of it, while giving him some kind of cover for his shortcomings. This isn't rocket science, it's Wrestling Booking 101.
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 31, 2014 0:04:10 GMT -5
That segment was a whole next level of burial. I mean he buried himself with his own shoot promo. He's worse now than when he was walking around with Aksana and trolling Teddy Long.
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Post by wcc2 on Dec 31, 2014 8:50:41 GMT -5
It boils down to this: the writing team's job is to figure out "how can we utilize the assets we have on hand to make the most money". If Cesaro isn't an ace at doing in-ring promos, then put him in a situation where he doesn't have to do that as much. If he's better playing off another personality and being himself in that context, then give him a manager or teammate or what have you he can do that with. Fans clearly want to see him wrestle and do amazing moves that involve his ridiculous strength; there's money to be made off that. If you keep denying fans a chance to see him do those things, then you aren't making money, and you're failing as wrestling writers. If him doing in-ring promos doesn't "connect" with the fans, then find what in his arsenal DOES connect with the fans and emphasize the hell out of it, while giving him some kind of cover for his shortcomings. This isn't rocket science, it's Wrestling Booking 101. He will get back to that point, if that's his limit. But right now everyone that is above him on the heel side is doing better at connecting, through a package of ability to put on a good match and to project an interesting character. Unfortunately he's right where he should be right about now. He can be elevated again, but this isn't his time because he hasn't earned it. But for him to be elevated would mean he needs to beat people having longer matches and that are higher on the face side, and right now there are people more deserving of those minutes.
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Post by wcc2 on Dec 31, 2014 8:57:01 GMT -5
They aren't trying to find the next Austin or Rock with everyone, it's just, to be a top WWE star, you have to be damn good in so many different areas. I don't buy that. All too often in the past they've shown that if you're not bringing them success the way they want it, you mean nothing to them. Look how Mania 20 with Benoit on top did a huge jump in business from the year before, that was a complete flop despite being built around Vince, Hogan, and their chosen face of the company at the time. They still opted to undermine his run at every turn by putting him in random midcard storylines while Triple H was still central to everything or by having him have to get bailed out by Eugene any time he faced him one-on-one, then they had him drop the title to someone who all along they've tried their damnedest to make the next Rock, down to him also being third-generation. Or how Ambrose was the top merch seller for Black Friday this year, and yet he could probably offer to work free for a year and Vince still wouldn't agree to give him even a token win over anybody he feuds with judging by how pitiful the booking for him's been since the Shield broke up. WWE doesn't want to be successful through whatever works, they want to be successful on their own terms. There's a reason they have a 'way they want it.' It's not bloody minded stubbornness, it's because they know what works, because they have to cater to a mass audience, not just a wrestling audience. Benoit had his moment and then the next year was back competing for the US title. He connected by virtue of having a 20 plus year career but again, if he was a big star waiting to break out and carry the business, he wouldn't be competing for mid-card titles so soon again. His was a thank you run because there were bigger characters around that can carry a show. Ambrose will be absolutely fine. He's main evented PPVs since leaving the Shield and is only 2 years into his time on the roster. He's got plenty of time to be showcased as one of the guys carrying the company, and Vince also recognises what a talent he has. Whether or not he's been booked as a top, top guy these last couple of months doesn't really matter in the context of what his entire career will be here. But he's the total package. He can work the mic, he can work a match, he has an obvious character, the fans are behind him, he can play both face and heel, and he can do comedy and silly kids slapstick stuff as well. That's the reason he will be a big star in the WWE. I can guarantee it. This obsession with shooting their load on every young guy with potential as soon as possible is concerning to me. They have years and years left on the roster, and they have loads of talent they need to showcase. Just because Ambrose isn't carrying the company right now, it doesn't mean he will never get the opportunity to do so.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 31, 2014 11:17:44 GMT -5
It boils down to this: the writing team's job is to figure out "how can we utilize the assets we have on hand to make the most money". If Cesaro isn't an ace at doing in-ring promos, then put him in a situation where he doesn't have to do that as much. If he's better playing off another personality and being himself in that context, then give him a manager or teammate or what have you he can do that with. Fans clearly want to see him wrestle and do amazing moves that involve his ridiculous strength; there's money to be made off that. If you keep denying fans a chance to see him do those things, then you aren't making money, and you're failing as wrestling writers. If him doing in-ring promos doesn't "connect" with the fans, then find what in his arsenal DOES connect with the fans and emphasize the hell out of it, while giving him some kind of cover for his shortcomings. This isn't rocket science, it's Wrestling Booking 101. He will get back to that point, if that's his limit. But right now everyone that is above him on the heel side is doing better at connecting, through a package of ability to put on a good match and to project an interesting character. Unfortunately he's right where he should be right about now. He can be elevated again, but this isn't his time because he hasn't earned it. But for him to be elevated would mean he needs to beat people having longer matches and that are higher on the face side, and right now there are people more deserving of those minutes. By who's measurements are they "connecting" more? Cesaro already had the connection, albeit as a babyface, and the writers decided not to pursue it. Opportunity, and thus money, lost. There are many, many ways for wrestlers to connect with an audience; WWE, unfortunately, is obsessed with having its talent do it in an unsettlingly uniform way, all in the pursuit of developing the next major media crossover star. If guys can't pull off the whole babyface "be tough and angry yet the funniest guy in the room; ignore romance but be irresistible to women; be able to go out for a half hour at the start of Raw and talk endlessly" edict, then they're not considered worth the effort at all, even if those guys could still make the company a ton of money as mid carders. So the guy doesn't "connect" within the framework WWE forces guys into; then it's on WWE, and WWE alone, to recognize "he's already over, but via a different way; let's embrace that and make money off it". But Cesaro did what he could to get over, succeeded on terms different from what the office wanted, and was summarily punished for it.
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Post by wcc2 on Dec 31, 2014 12:58:15 GMT -5
He will get back to that point, if that's his limit. But right now everyone that is above him on the heel side is doing better at connecting, through a package of ability to put on a good match and to project an interesting character. Unfortunately he's right where he should be right about now. He can be elevated again, but this isn't his time because he hasn't earned it. But for him to be elevated would mean he needs to beat people having longer matches and that are higher on the face side, and right now there are people more deserving of those minutes. By who's measurements are they "connecting" more? Cesaro already had the connection, albeit as a babyface, and the writers decided not to pursue it. Opportunity, and thus money, lost. There are many, many ways for wrestlers to connect with an audience; WWE, unfortunately, is obsessed with having its talent do it in an unsettlingly uniform way, all in the pursuit of developing the next major media crossover star. If guys can't pull off the whole babyface "be tough and angry yet the funniest guy in the room; ignore romance but be irresistible to women; be able to go out for a half hour at the start of Raw and talk endlessly" edict, then they're not considered worth the effort at all, even if those guys could still make the company a ton of money as mid carders. So the guy doesn't "connect" within the framework WWE forces guys into; then it's on WWE, and WWE alone, to recognize "he's already over, but via a different way; let's embrace that and make money off it". But Cesaro did what he could to get over, succeeded on terms different from what the office wanted, and was summarily punished for it. Cool, sounds like we're getting somewhere. You're right, it is completely on the WWE. And it's absolutely right that, as a company that caters to the mass market and not niche segments alone, a true star for them is someone that can be funny, serious, a heartthrob, cut a promo etc etc. If they pushed someone as a major star that didn't have a lot of those skills, a significant portion of their audience would be wondering what the heck they are watching. He connected as a wrestler, hence them giving him the opportunity to win the battle royal. They then gave him the opportunity and wanted to see more. He didn't entirely deliver. He can go to the indies where they cater purely to wrestling but is going to have to develop if he wants to be a WWE star. Why do you think WWE should suddenly start purely pushing wrestlers who haven't developed the wider skill set into the very top positions? Kurt Angle is a great WWE star. A fantastic wrestler who could be serious, goofy, cut a promo, and adapt to multiple storylines. Daniel Bryan is now a fantastic WWE star. He can go heel, face, he can be funny, goofy, a jerk, can cut an emotional promo, can cut a fired up promo, he's now reached the point where he's getting everything he deserves. Dean Ambrose can do it all. Cena can do it all. Seth Rollins can do it all. Roman Reigns can do it all. Ziggler is getting to the point where he can do it all. The reason Big Show and Kane have been around for so long is that there will always be new kids coming into the product who will react to them, and that they can turn their hands a number of different ways. Triple H could do it all. Batista could do it all. Orton can do it all but he doesn't quite have the exact skill set Cena has, and thus he never got Cena's spot. Punk could do it all. Miz could almost do it all but fell down when he got given his opportunities. HBK could do it all. Wade Barret is doing fantastic at the moment and may have it all. Jericho never quite had the whole package to be a true top star, until he got the serious side down in 2008, and they ran with him. Mark Henry has more to him than Cesaro does in a WWE context, as does Sheamus. I could do back through previous rosters too. Obviously Rock and Austin had it all. But you get my drift. Everyone that made it to the top got there because they deserved it. Why oh why should Cesaro be any different? If he wants to make his niche that he is a good wrestler above all else, that's all he's ever going to be, and he may have to wait 20 years for his thank you championship run. If he gets his hook, they will promote the hell out of him, but he needs to earn it first. Damn, people love to rag on how WWE run their business but the alternative they seem to want to do, that WWE shouldn't showcase the guys that have the multi-faceted talent and cross over potential, but should focus on pure wrestlers, shows exactly why they aren't in the position to run the company. I really, really like Cesaro. I want him to succeed. But he needs something else, and when he gets it, he will get his shot.
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Post by lockedontarget on Dec 31, 2014 13:33:15 GMT -5
there are several serious issues with how wcc2 is approaching this argument
First, he is continuing to ignore the fact that Cesaro has and did connect with the audience.
Second, he keeps denying that the booking sabotaged him when it absolutely did. That's simply a fact. It's like denying that the creative team ruined Ryder or Ryback. He is acting like creative mishandling can't destroy someone's momentum or credibility when the WWE has done it over and over again.
Third, he keeps harping on the "main event star" thing. Maybe Cesaro isn't main event caliber. But there's a huge gap between main event and where he is now. He absolutely should be a good midcard star. He WAS a good midcard star, until the WWE screwed him over with bad booking.
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Post by kevin on Dec 31, 2014 14:00:55 GMT -5
there are several serious issues with how wcc2 is approaching this argument First, he is continuing to ignore the fact that Cesaro has and did connect with the audience. Second, he keeps denying that the booking sabotaged him when it absolutely did. That's simply a fact. It's like denying that the creative team ruined Ryder or Ryback. He is acting like creative mishandling can't destroy someone's momentum or credibility when the WWE has done it over and over again. Third, he keeps harping on the "main event star" thing. Maybe Cesaro isn't main event caliber. But there's a huge gap between main event and where he is now. He absolutely should be a good midcard star. He WAS a good midcard star, until the WWE screwed him over with bad booking. I dislike the entire main event or bust position. Especially when it is main event world title holder face of the WWE or bust position. Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt are solid upper card guys who connect with fans and are trusted to main event PPV's and yet some people say Bray was ruined forever last April and all of Ambroses potential has been wasted. Cesaro's position on the card is the heel mid carder that gets beat. He got over with two things We the People and the Swing both of which connected but possible had limited self life. We the People was always more Swaggers who is no in the same card position as Cesaro only on the face side. The swing is cool but people were so terrible at couting the rotations that it was distracting from him. I am not sure that saving it for bigger moments was a bad idea. Now he is in about the same position that Kofi has held for years before his recent tumble. I disagree that it is a terrible position, it is a necessary position that comes with quite a bit of TV time and has good PPV matches. Could he be higher in the Ryback Rusev just below upeercard position? Probably it is where he was headed after Wrestlemania that he did not get there does not mean he was wasted just that other people were seen as more capable for those positions than he was.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 31, 2014 14:21:33 GMT -5
That segment was a whole next level of burial. I mean he buried himself with his own shoot promo. He's worse now than when he was walking around with Aksana and trolling Teddy Long. You act like Cesaro decided to hijack a mic and cut his own impromptu promo. He didn't bury himself and it wasn't really a shoot promo. It was a scripted promo that the WWE had him cut, just like any other. It was one stupid promo that won't be remembered next week by any casual fan, but people here will, simply because there will be others that'll reference it regularly and act like it was that one moment that buried Cesaro forever.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Dec 31, 2014 14:23:45 GMT -5
I don't buy that. All too often in the past they've shown that if you're not bringing them success the way they want it, you mean nothing to them. Look how Mania 20 with Benoit on top did a huge jump in business from the year before, that was a complete flop despite being built around Vince, Hogan, and their chosen face of the company at the time. They still opted to undermine his run at every turn by putting him in random midcard storylines while Triple H was still central to everything or by having him have to get bailed out by Eugene any time he faced him one-on-one, then they had him drop the title to someone who all along they've tried their damnedest to make the next Rock, down to him also being third-generation. Or how Ambrose was the top merch seller for Black Friday this year, and yet he could probably offer to work free for a year and Vince still wouldn't agree to give him even a token win over anybody he feuds with judging by how pitiful the booking for him's been since the Shield broke up. WWE doesn't want to be successful through whatever works, they want to be successful on their own terms. There's a reason they have a 'way they want it.' It's not bloody minded stubbornness, it's because they know what works, because they have to cater to a mass audience, not just a wrestling audience. Benoit had his moment and then the next year was back competing for the US title. He connected by virtue of having a 20 plus year career but again, if he was a big star waiting to break out and carry the business, he wouldn't be competing for mid-card titles so soon again. His was a thank you run because there were bigger characters around that can carry a show. Ambrose will be absolutely fine. He's main evented PPVs since leaving the Shield and is only 2 years into his time on the roster. He's got plenty of time to be showcased as one of the guys carrying the company, and Vince also recognises what a talent he has. Whether or not he's been booked as a top, top guy these last couple of months doesn't really matter in the context of what his entire career will be here. But he's the total package. He can work the mic, he can work a match, he has an obvious character, the fans are behind him, he can play both face and heel, and he can do comedy and silly kids slapstick stuff as well. That's the reason he will be a big star in the WWE. I can guarantee it. This obsession with shooting their load on every young guy with potential as soon as possible is concerning to me. They have years and years left on the roster, and they have loads of talent they need to showcase. Just because Ambrose isn't carrying the company right now, it doesn't mean he will never get the opportunity to do so. Except they've been killing their mass audience: the crowd is usually dead an hour or two into each and every show they've been doing for the past few weeks if not longer; their ratings are hitting lower lows than they ever have; nobody is over except for guys who they want push out of stubbornness, guys who they have no choice but to push, and established names from the past; the heir apparent, Roman Reigns has been so badly botched because they don't know how to hide his weaknesses and highlight his strengths that are pretty much dooming him before he gets out of the gate. Cena is getting older by the year, and eventually even he's gonna start having diminishing returns. So are alot of their roster right now, but all the guys in NXT, while they've worked down there, none of them have really connected except maybe Bray, whose quickly jumping the proverbial shark, and Rusev. And in the latter case the only reason he's doing as well as he likely is would be because they never beat the guy. No shit a guy who never loses is gonna be over! Wonder why they haven't tried that for a few other guys they'd like to try and make into stars instead of beating them like a drum or making them look like idiots? And their solution to all this... their big solution to that is trotting out the tired, hackneyed heel authority yet again. A trope that has long worn out its welcome to the point that nobody cares one damn iota about them. WWE has single-handedly water that down to the point where it may never mean anything again. Not like it really should in the first place because it's such a lazy concept having the big bad boss being the main heel of the promotion. I do give them credit because they are getting a few things right, but honestly right now WWE has been so toxic creatively. I'd argue it's actually worse in some ways then WCW 2000. At least there you could laugh at how bad some of this stuff was! Today's product just makes me want to turn it off and never look back. And I hate that because I love professional wrestling. I like alot of guys on the roster nowadays. NXT is awesome! But aside from that... WWE is just no good right now. And it's not just the "hardcores" that think so.
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Post by Essential1 on Dec 31, 2014 14:27:14 GMT -5
If I was him I'd ask them to change my shitty music.
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Dec 31, 2014 14:33:28 GMT -5
If I was him I'd ask them to change my shitty music.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 31, 2014 22:41:49 GMT -5
If it makes you guys feel any better, Cesaro is about to headline the biggest PPV of the year in my EWR game!
He loses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 0:52:55 GMT -5
Since I didn't see it, what was the line? And I can't view video right now Cesaro (on the mic, during his entrance): "Cut my music because it's not good at all"
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jan 1, 2015 2:37:07 GMT -5
You know what would be awesome? If the commentary team didn't act like a bunch of bizarre f***ing Smarks waiting on dudes to f*** up so they can pounce on it and bury them.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Jan 1, 2015 2:37:55 GMT -5
I just saw his promo on Raw. What was wrong with it? Was it CM Punk level? No. Was it as bad as some are saying? Absolutely not.
I don't know what the answer for Cesaro is. I really don't. But I know he can't act like the pageantry and flash isn't his issue. Being a really good wrestler isn't enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2015 2:40:02 GMT -5
They aren't trying to find the next Austin or Rock with everyone, it's just, to be a top WWE star, you have to be damn good in so many different areas. I don't buy that. All too often in the past they've shown that if you're not bringing them success the way they want it, you mean nothing to them. Look how Mania 20 with Benoit on top did a huge jump in business from the year before, that was a complete flop despite being built around Vince, Hogan, and their chosen face of the company at the time. They still opted to undermine his run at every turn by putting him in random midcard storylines while Triple H was still central to everything or by having him have to get bailed out by Eugene any time he faced him one-on-one, then they had him drop the title to someone who all along they've tried their damnedest to make the next Rock, down to him also being third-generation. Or how Ambrose was the top merch seller for Black Friday this year, and yet he could probably offer to work free for a year and Vince still wouldn't agree to give him even a token win over anybody he feuds with judging by how pitiful the booking for him's been since the Shield broke up. WWE doesn't want to be successful through whatever works, they want to be successful on their own terms. The Meltz went on a tangent on WOL a few weeks back just going into detail about Steve Austin and the time it took for Stone Cold to find his footing as a top guy between the "Austin 3:16" promo and when he started being a real player in wrestling, and made a point about how under today's booking regime Steve Austin would never be the star he became. How he never really started moving the need until the Mike Tyson angle, which is two years removed from the advent of Austin 3:16, and how they would never have the patience for nurturing a talent like that these days. I do think they're looking for the next Austin/Rock constantly, but instead of taking a guy with talent, pairing him with veterans and slowly cultivate him into a star, they just expect Cesaro and dozens of others to just wake up tomorrow morning and have "it." Have so much "it" that it can't even be debated. They need a guy who makes it so obvious they're stars that it's not even a question that the guy is money, or else you're just gonna sit there and stew. They want such instant gratification to where even Daniel Bryan getting the biggest pop in at least this decade in the cage match with Bray Wyatt and there was still a feeling of "yeah but he's just a wrestler..."
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