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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Dec 29, 2014 23:53:41 GMT -5
One of the things that frustrated me about WCW in the mid-to-late 90s was that, for all the talk of being WCW vs. NWO, WCW almost never came out to save their own in the way the NWO always did. And the same thing is happening here.
Where was Bryan? Ryback? Reigns? Ziggler? Hell, give me Rowan. Something to give the impression that these are men who stand up for what's right, and are worth cheering. If you're going to play into the continuity that, despite their history, Cena still respects Edge, then you really can't be selective and pretend that there aren't a locker room full of guys in the back who, in kayfabe, should still want anything other than the Authority returning. Hell, John Cena practically had to be dragged out to Edge's rescue. Seriously, Seth gave him two commercial breaks to let him know he'd be called out!
At this rate, I'm wondering what we're even supposed to be cheering any of these people for. No one is overtly heroic, everyone is selfish except when they suddenly aren't for storyline purposes, and there's generally no sense of camaraderie the way there is among heels.
You know you've got a warped protagonist/antagonist storytelling approach when all the honor is among thieves.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 29, 2014 23:54:38 GMT -5
Didn't learn a thing from WCW and the NWO
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 29, 2014 23:58:20 GMT -5
Raw makes a lot more sense if you just pretend that there is a force field around the ring that nobody can get through unless their theme music is playing.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 29, 2014 23:58:50 GMT -5
They were in the back wrangling up Kevin Dunn, he got out of his Cage again.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 29, 2014 23:59:53 GMT -5
There was peach pie and ice cream in catering. All a part of Hunter and Seth's devious plan.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Dec 30, 2014 0:00:17 GMT -5
The general rule in WWE is that babyfaces are the most selfish people on the planet, even the ones that appear not to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 0:02:23 GMT -5
I want to know why it's apparently a-okay by Vince and the board for Cena to agree to bring them back only when faced with a hostage situation. And why they had their music and graphics queued up when they were supposed to never come back.
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Post by One-Armed Drummer of Defrebel on Dec 30, 2014 0:05:41 GMT -5
I want to know why it's apparently a-okay by Vince and the board for Cena to agree to bring them back only when faced with a hostage situation. And why they had their music and graphics queued up when they were supposed to never come back. To be fair, worse things have been strangely queued up
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 30, 2014 0:11:09 GMT -5
Nothing would ever get done if the babyfaces were always looking out for each other like people suggest. Jake Roberts would have never gotten a chance to sic Damien on Randy Savage if someone like Bret Hart or The British Bulldog or The Legion Of Doom had gone out there to stop him out of the goodness of their babyface hearts.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 30, 2014 0:13:40 GMT -5
Nothing would ever get done if the babyfaces were always looking out for each other like people suggest. Jake Roberts would have never gotten a chance to sic Damien on Randy Savage if someone like Bret Hart or The British Bulldog or The Legion Of Doom had gone out there to stop him out of the goodness of their babyface hearts. There was a missed opportunity of not having Bret Hart being the babyface with a big heart who runs and saves his fellow faces from heel attacks every time.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 30, 2014 0:15:17 GMT -5
Nothing would ever get done if the babyfaces were always looking out for each other like people suggest. Jake Roberts would have never gotten a chance to sic Damien on Randy Savage if someone like Bret Hart or The British Bulldog or The Legion Of Doom had gone out there to stop him out of the goodness of their babyface hearts. The difference is that this is something that directly affects the entire roster. Why weren't they all rushing out there to try and save Edge or at the very least, plead with Cena to not bring the Authority back?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 0:17:28 GMT -5
Nothing would ever get done if the babyfaces were always looking out for each other like people suggest. Jake Roberts would have never gotten a chance to sic Damien on Randy Savage if someone like Bret Hart or The British Bulldog or The Legion Of Doom had gone out there to stop him out of the goodness of their babyface hearts. I think it varies. If it's something like Big Show beating down Reigns, yeah, why would, say, Ziggler bother to help with that? Not his problem. But in this case there are all of the people who helped get the Authority banished plus just those who've had run-ins with the Authority in the past. It's a little like how Reigns just sat in the back twiddling his thumbs while his best friend got his brains splattered against a pile of cinderblocks then sought vengeance for it after the fact like, what, you couldn't be proactive the one time?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 30, 2014 0:18:41 GMT -5
Nothing would ever get done if the babyfaces were always looking out for each other like people suggest. Jake Roberts would have never gotten a chance to sic Damien on Randy Savage if someone like Bret Hart or The British Bulldog or The Legion Of Doom had gone out there to stop him out of the goodness of their babyface hearts. The difference is that this is something that directly affects the entire roster. Why weren't they all rushing out there to try and save Edge or at the very least, plead with Cena to not bring the Authority back? I don't think it would have made much of a difference, to be honest, because Rollins was looking right at the ramp the whole time. The moment anyone else stepped out of there, he probably would have gone for it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 30, 2014 0:19:10 GMT -5
Raw makes a lot more sense if you just pretend that there is a force field around the ring that nobody can get through unless their theme music is playing. This is the best reasoning I've ever read.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 30, 2014 0:21:29 GMT -5
The difference is that this is something that directly affects the entire roster. Why weren't they all rushing out there to try and save Edge or at the very least, plead with Cena to not bring the Authority back? I don't think it would have made much of a difference, to be honest, because Rollins was looking right at the ramp the whole time. The moment anyone else stepped out of there, he probably would have gone for it.f You gotta try though. If this was all real, why would no other babyface but Cena (who was late, no less) run out? How about Ziggler? Or better yet, as someone else pointed out, where the hell was Sting? He saved the day at Survivor Series but he couldn't be bothered to do it tonight? I'm not saying all the babyfaces should have hit the ring and kicked ass. I'm saying that the fact that it was just Cena out there looked so silly after the big long struggle it took to get rid of the Authority.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 30, 2014 0:22:25 GMT -5
The difference is that this is something that directly affects the entire roster. Why weren't they all rushing out there to try and save Edge or at the very least, plead with Cena to not bring the Authority back? I don't think it would have made much of a difference, to be honest, because Rollins was looking right at the ramp the whole time. The moment anyone else stepped out of there, he probably would have gone for it. Attack from behind, was honestly what I was expecting from Christian before he *pauses, grips hat and clutches it to chest* untimely left this realm *chokes up*. Seriously, someone like Dolph (or Orton) coming from the timekeepers area with a chair would have made perfect sense and worked easily.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Dec 30, 2014 0:30:33 GMT -5
I don't think it would have made much of a difference, to be honest, because Rollins was looking right at the ramp the whole time. The moment anyone else stepped out of there, he probably would have gone for it. Attack from behind, was honestly what I was expecting from Christian before he *pauses, grips hat and clutches it to chest* untimely left this realm *chokes up*. Seriously, someone like Dolph (or Orton) coming from the timekeepers area with a chair would have made perfect sense and worked easily. I was expecting a "look behind you" from Cena, leading to an Orton RKO.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 30, 2014 0:33:19 GMT -5
Ummm, what good would any of the babyfaces had done anyway?
Rollins would have killed Edge long before any of them made it to the ring.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 30, 2014 2:28:48 GMT -5
I'd be mad if next week Ziggler, Bryan, Reigns, Ambrose, Rowan, Ryback, Swagger, and Orton if he's available aren't all pissed at Cena for what he did.
Hell if I was Ziggler I'd want to kick Cena in his face.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 30, 2014 2:32:02 GMT -5
I'd be mad if next week Ziggler, Bryan, Reigns, Ambrose, Rowan, Ryback, Swagger, and Orton if he's available aren't all pissed at Cena for what he did. Hell if I was Ziggler I'd want to kick Cena in his face. I'd want them to be pissed too, but then it just brings "Oh, so you'd LET them break Edge's neck and cripple him?" into play and it'd just make things weird.
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