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Post by H-Virus on Jan 3, 2015 14:46:12 GMT -5
If there's one thing that I really hate, it's when a character gets blamed or punished for something that wasn't their fault while the guilty person gets off scott-free. It's the main reason why Buttons & Mindy was always the worst part of any Animaniacs episode: Buttons chases Mindy all over the damn place, getting injured and almost dying multiple times to save her, and when they get back home the parents punish him for being lazy or not keeping an eye on her. Well, here's a thought: STOP BEING SHITTY PARENTS AND WATCH THE KID YOURSELF! HOW ABOUT HIRING A REAL BABYSITTER INSTEAD OF LEAVING YOUR TODDLER'S SAFETY IN THE HANDS OF A f***ING DOG!?
Then there's the opposite side, where the guilty person does receive some form of punishment for their actions, but immediately afterward are made to look so sympathetic that everyone else feels guilty about it and ends up apologizing to them instead of the other way around like it should have been.
An example of that is Earl from That 70s Show. He's a friend of Red, and worked under him at Price Mart, until Red fired him for being lazy and always coming in late. Later, Earl tries to sue Red, but loses because he shows up over an hour late to his own hearing. Later still, Earl gets a job at Fatso Burger. Red, not knowing that Earl is working there, complains about the food which gets Earl fired. Then for the rest of the episode Kitty guilt-trips Red about Earl losing his job until Red finally caves in and helps him get his job back, despite the fact that Earl is still a lazy, good-for-nothing employee.
Now, why the Hell is Kitty siding with Earl in the first place? Here's a guy who's not even qualified enough to flip burgers AND previously tried to sue her husband. Yes, Earl and Red were old friends, but at this point Red doesn't owe anything to Earl, so why should he feel bad about it?
Who else hates when these things happen?
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 3, 2015 14:49:43 GMT -5
I hated that Tom and Jerry Episode where the babysitter thinks Tom is bothering the baby yet He is paying more attention to it than She is.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 3, 2015 15:21:01 GMT -5
First one that comes to mind is in The Mindy Project when Mindy is sleeping with the one "midwife" from her office building. I forgot what they were calling it but essentially it was casual hooking up, not a relationship, and both parties agreed to such terms clearly and openly. Then Mindy runs into him while he's on a proper date with a different woman and Mindy gets upset when he reminds her they weren't in an actual relationship. It would have been fine if it was a "eh, sometimes life sucks" kind of thing, but some episodes later he apologizes and she comes off as justified. It annoyed me that she came out on top when SHE was the one who broke the rules, not him, yet somehow HE'S the bad guy.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 3, 2015 15:24:29 GMT -5
The BBC show Worst Week of My Life's existence is based on this trope, almost to caricature levels.
So is Charlie Brown's character.
Nicole from Days Of Our Lives has been this. Now I have only been watching it for like a year or so, so my understanding is she was once a villainess of some type, but now she comes off to me more as a bad girl with a heart, so it is bothersome that she gets the brunt of a lot of people's wraths. (Well that and Ari Zucker is hot ;-))
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 3, 2015 15:46:29 GMT -5
Any occasion where we're supposed to root for two people to get together even though they are in relationships with other people. The shows tend not to give consideration to the characters they cheat on to get together
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Post by Mutant Couch on Jan 3, 2015 16:03:05 GMT -5
90% of the time on Glee between Will and Sue. She's abrasive, but typically doing the best thing overall for the kids whereas he's a self-centered creep that only hangs out with his high school students.
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Post by Malibu Stacy on Jan 3, 2015 16:32:57 GMT -5
Any occasion where we're supposed to root for two people to get together even though they are in relationships with other people. The shows tend not to give consideration to the characters they cheat on to get together Big reason I hate love triangle cliches. Also, 99% of the time I prefer the "wrong" pairing  |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 3, 2015 16:40:07 GMT -5
Any occasion where we're supposed to root for two people to get together even though they are in relationships with other people. The shows tend not to give consideration to the characters they cheat on to get together Big reason I hate love triangle cliches. Also, 99% of the time I prefer the "wrong" pairing The only show I know of that ever dealt with the "hey, we're actually the bad guys here" was Frasier. In particular, in Friends, Rachel broke up with Ross because he supposedly cheated on her, yet twice kissed him when he was in relationships with other women (Julie and Bonnie). |
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 3, 2015 17:45:11 GMT -5
Big reason I hate love triangle cliches. Also, 99% of the time I prefer the "wrong" pairing The only show I know of that ever dealt with the "hey, we're actually the bad guys here" was Frasier. In particular, in Friends, Rachel broke up with Ross because he supposedly cheated on her, yet twice kissed him when he was in relationships with other women (Julie and Bonnie). Not forgetting that Rachel convinced Bonnie to shave her head to scare off Ross and even went as far as traveling to London to sabotage Ross' wedding. I know Emily was a cow but it seems like extreme double standards that Rachel was so aggressive about Ross jeopardizing their relationship when she happily did it numerous times with anyone Ross went out with. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 3, 2015 17:53:27 GMT -5
The only show I know of that ever dealt with the "hey, we're actually the bad guys here" was Frasier. In particular, in Friends, Rachel broke up with Ross because he supposedly cheated on her, yet twice kissed him when he was in relationships with other women (Julie and Bonnie). Not forgetting that Rachel convinced Bonnie to shave her head to scare off Ross and even went as far as traveling to London to sabotage Ross' wedding. I know Emily was a cow but it seems like extreme double standards that Rachel was so aggressive about Ross jeopardizing their relationship when she happily did it numerous times with anyone Ross went out with. What exactly made Emily a cow? |
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Post by karl100589 on Jan 3, 2015 18:01:33 GMT -5
Not forgetting that Rachel convinced Bonnie to shave her head to scare off Ross and even went as far as traveling to London to sabotage Ross' wedding. I know Emily was a cow but it seems like extreme double standards that Rachel was so aggressive about Ross jeopardizing their relationship when she happily did it numerous times with anyone Ross went out with. What exactly made Emily a cow? I understand that since she was essentially a plot device to make you root for Ross and Rachel but even with that I found her character extremely cold and devoid of warmth, even without Ross' actions of the wedding I could have seen her eventually making Ross do what she wanted to in S5 and make him basically leave his friends, family and entire life behind just to please her. Plus I've never been particularly keen on Helen Baxendale as an actor even in her Cold Feet days. It's a similar situation IMO to Mel from Frasier, who was similarly cold, although with Mel they telegraphed that from an early stage by comparing her to a Maris-lite. |
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 3, 2015 18:08:14 GMT -5
Emily's actions were justified most of the time. Rachel was a threat because she was in love with Ross and told him this after he had got married, even trying to stop the wedding.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 18:19:23 GMT -5
This is the main reason why I hate Kafka comedy. I mean, I'll never understand why Homer had to get banned from Moe's for untwisting the sugar dispenser in "Fear of Flying" after the other barflies set Moe on fire and get him bitten by a cobra. Mirkin's my favorite showrunner, but I'll never like that or the Rain Man skit from "$pringfield". Also, Blooregard Q. Kazoo did become a total asshole who deserved every single rotten misfortune that ever happened to him by the end of Foster's, but that Bendy episode is too rough, especially since he was still mostly Mac's naive creation at that time.
On the other side, Nami from Sora no Kake Shoujo is the ultimate example of blame going to the wrong person in anime. She's supposed to be the selfish brat who turns heel when she doesn't get her way, but her issues were because she was in an emotional crisis and the rest of her family couldn't give two squirts about her & even ignore her attempts at discussing it. Hell, they leave her for dead at the end with wannabe villain Tsutsuji rescuing her and deeming her a perfect understudy, making her the only person to actually care about Nami. That is beyond sad.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2015 18:24:25 GMT -5
Two examples from Star Trek TNG
The doctor who killed the Crystalline Entity. She was right to do it. Picard's analogy about whales and cuttlefish was disgraceful.
The admiral who was developing a Federation cloaking device was correct. Starfleet were insane to sign a treaty agreeing not to use them.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Jan 3, 2015 18:32:54 GMT -5
The player character in GTA, especially when he/I is being chased down by the popo. We are totally in the wrong |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2015 18:37:16 GMT -5
Two examples from Twilight
Lauren is supposedly a bitch because she is the only character who correctly regards Bella Swan as a waste of space
Leah is also in the wrong apparently for criticising Bella for toying with Jacob's emotions and keeping him around only when it suits her, when in fact, she is completely right.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2015 18:49:41 GMT -5
Two examples from Twilight Lauren is supposedly a bitch because she is the only character who correctly regards Bella Swan as a waste of space Leah is also in the wrong apparently for criticising Bella for toying with Jacob's emotions and keeping him around only when it suits her, when in fact, she is completely right. I've never seen the movies or read a word of the books but wouldn't the first one be up to the opinion of the viewer? No, because Bella is verifiably the embodiment of a character who gets illogical praise and protection from other characters with little or nothing offered by the author to justify it. |
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jan 3, 2015 19:21:25 GMT -5
Any occasion where we're supposed to root for two people to get together even though they are in relationships with other people. The shows tend not to give consideration to the characters they cheat on to get together That's why I find it odd where there's a wedding scene and the male lead makes a grand romantic gesture to win away the bride and all of her friends and family cheer. That always seemed dickish when you consider the would be groom's friends and family are right there! I want to see the inverse play out where a female lead steals away the groom and the father of the would be bride goes on a shit fit because he's gonna take a bath on all this money he spent on a wedding and reception for his daughter, and now it's too late for him to get some or all of his money refunded since all of this happened on the wedding day. Credits roll and after the cast credits we see have a split screen with the rest of the credits rolling on one side, and the saddest most sparsely attended wedding reception ever. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 3, 2015 19:33:38 GMT -5
No, because Bella is verifiably the embodiment of a character who gets illogical praise and protection from other characters with little or nothing offered by the author to justify it. Again, an opinion, although one I happen to agree with based on the opinions of virtually everyone I've known who's read the first book A reasoned conclusion, using evidence presented in the actual source material. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 3, 2015 19:36:07 GMT -5
What exactly made Emily a cow? I understand that since she was essentially a plot device to make you root for Ross and Rachel but even with that I found her character extremely cold and devoid of warmth, even without Ross' actions of the wedding I could have seen her eventually making Ross do what she wanted to in S5 and make him basically leave his friends, family and entire life behind just to please her. Plus I've never been particularly keen on Helen Baxendale as an actor even in her Cold Feet days. It's a similar situation IMO to Mel from Frasier, who was similarly cold, although with Mel they telegraphed that from an early stage by comparing her to a Maris-lite. I thought she showed plenty until Ross said another girl's name at their wedding (his ex that he dated for over a year!) and then was about to go on their honeymoon with her. She's basically completely in the right to me. |
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