Thaal Sinestro
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Jan 7, 2015 17:16:10 GMT -5
Big reason I hate love triangle cliches. Also, 99% of the time I prefer the "wrong" pairing The only show I know of that ever dealt with the "hey, we're actually the bad guys here" was Frasier. In particular, in Friends, Rachel broke up with Ross because he supposedly cheated on her, yet twice kissed him when he was in relationships with other women (Julie and Bonnie). She was the one who said they were on a break at first too. Never forget.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 7, 2015 17:21:51 GMT -5
The only show I know of that ever dealt with the "hey, we're actually the bad guys here" was Frasier. In particular, in Friends, Rachel broke up with Ross because he supposedly cheated on her, yet twice kissed him when he was in relationships with other women (Julie and Bonnie). She was the one who said they were on a break at first too. Never forget. Justice for Ross!
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 7, 2015 17:22:55 GMT -5
Ray Barone He's just an asshole who seems to be barely able to function in a civilised society. He takes the "dumb husband" trope to extreme heights. Totally. He treats his brother, his wife, his friends and sometimes even his children like crap. Totally unlikeable.
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Post by Hurbster on Jan 7, 2015 17:56:10 GMT -5
Severus Snape He caused the deaths of James and Lily Potter and made their son's life far more miserable than it needed to be. Then at the end of the story, he was supposedly a brave man who Harry named his son after. I don't buy it. That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 7, 2015 18:50:02 GMT -5
Spongebob Squarepants This little arsehole is constantly unprovokingly making Squidwards life a misery, so you can't blame Squid for occasionly retaliating. Yet when he does his the bad guy and we're for some reason suppose to feel sorry for Spongebob? Nope, I hate that guy. Can we just say any cat-and-mouse-type cartoon fits here? Oh...there's Trix Rabbit, who you're supposed to dislike cause he's not a kid, but the premise of the commercials got so ridiculous that you wanted to see the rabbit go postal on those kids.
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Thaal Sinestro
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Post by Thaal Sinestro on Jan 7, 2015 19:26:35 GMT -5
Severus Snape He caused the deaths of James and Lily Potter and made their son's life far more miserable than it needed to be. Then at the end of the story, he was supposedly a brave man who Harry named his son after. I don't buy it. That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies. Yeah, movie didn't do it justice. He was a double double agent the entire time.
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Post by Cela on Jan 7, 2015 19:49:49 GMT -5
That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies. Yeah, movie didn't do it justice. He was a double double agent the entire time. He was still unnecessary jerk to a child.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 7, 2015 19:52:23 GMT -5
That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies. Yeah, movie didn't do it justice. He was a double double agent the entire time. Eh, he was a complete and total jerk in the books and a complete and total jerk in the movies. The only difference was that in the movies Rickman gave him a dollop of charisma which he lacked in the books.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 7, 2015 19:57:31 GMT -5
Can we just say any cat-and-mouse-type cartoon fits here? I think if you are doing the genre right, it shouldn't have to be. It's a matter of making the Tom a colossal enough jerk that you want to you want to see the underdog Jerry knock his adversary down a peg. Some cartoons got the formula right, while there were some that went too far. Like the episode of T&J where Tom ended up guillotined.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 7, 2015 20:00:25 GMT -5
I feel like the entire second half of Sons of Anarchy went this way. And it's sad because if the show would have ended after season three everything was logical, but after that the hoops the writers jumped through to try to get certain characters into situations and redemptions was ridiculous.
A huge one to me is Rorschach. If all you've seen were the movie it's kind of understandable because even the idiot who adapted the movie didn't realize that Rorschach was a total POS and although he thought he was an absolute was just a different shade of the same gray that Ozy was. He was made into HardcoreXtremeBatman for the movie, not the raving lunatic man who imposed his sense of morality onto anyone who got in his way. And Ozy was made into successful Lex Luthor and there was no good in what he did.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 7, 2015 20:10:21 GMT -5
Going back to wrestling, has anyone yet said Hulk Hogan in the Megapowers Explode angle? I know they tried to make all the things that happened be painted out as misunderstandings, then resorted to the Macho Man promos where he uses obviously clipped footage, all the way to Savage putting a "HEEL" sign across his chest with the "Pukamaniacs" references. But really, you can make a case that Savage had rights to be paranoid and rights to say Hogan wasn't being a good partner, in certain instances.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 7, 2015 20:12:48 GMT -5
Can we just say any cat-and-mouse-type cartoon fits here? I think if you are doing the genre right, it shouldn't have to be. It's a matter of making the Tom a colossal enough jerk that you want to you want to see the underdog Jerry knock his adversary down a peg. Some cartoons got the formula right, while there were some that went too far. Like the episode of T&J where Tom ended up guillotined. Not even, wasn't there ones where Tom had a date and Jerry just messes it up just because? And to add to your theory, the other diversion from that is when 2) Eventually we all want to know what would happen if the cat/coyote/etc. finally caught the mouse/bird, so we hope that the next episode will be that Very Special Episode.
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Post by aliciafoxfan on Jan 7, 2015 20:15:09 GMT -5
Fred Flintstone is a bad friend, He should share his cereal with Barney.
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ededdneddy
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Post by ededdneddy on Jan 7, 2015 23:39:21 GMT -5
Fred Flintstone is a bad friend, He should share his cereal with Barney. But to quote the Nostalgia Critic, "Here, you got Barney, who’s going to these extreme lengths to get Fred’s cereal. Why doesn’t he just go to the f***ing store? I mean, my God! It’s incredible the lengths he’ll go to. I mean, his face is on the f***ing box! You think he’d be able to get a few free ones every once in a while!"
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2015 0:57:50 GMT -5
Severus Snape He caused the deaths of James and Lily Potter and made their son's life far more miserable than it needed to be. Then at the end of the story, he was supposedly a brave man who Harry named his son after. I don't buy it. That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies. Even the book material casts him in a bad light. While it's true he was helping Harry behind the scenes, he didn't need to single him out for poor treatment at Hogwarts and constantly mock and ridicule him. It was still a dick move.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Jan 8, 2015 11:41:31 GMT -5
That's because all that background stuff was cut from the movies. Even the book material casts him in a bad light. While it's true he was helping Harry behind the scenes, he didn't need to single him out for poor treatment at Hogwarts and constantly mock and ridicule him. It was still a dick move. Even adding to that, it would be one thing if it was just Harry he hated but he outright bullied and humiliated damn near every single student except the assholes from Slytherin. Snape is an awful person. There's just no excusing it.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 8, 2015 11:51:33 GMT -5
Can we just say any cat-and-mouse-type cartoon fits here? I think if you are doing the genre right, it shouldn't have to be. It's a matter of making the Tom a colossal enough jerk that you want to you want to see the underdog Jerry knock his adversary down a peg. Some cartoons got the formula right, while there were some that went too far. Like the episode of T&J where Tom ended up guillotined. Herman and Catnip was worse than any T&J. Herman was a HUGE asshole.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2015 11:58:10 GMT -5
I think if you are doing the genre right, it shouldn't have to be. It's a matter of making the Tom a colossal enough jerk that you want to you want to see the underdog Jerry knock his adversary down a peg. Some cartoons got the formula right, while there were some that went too far. Like the episode of T&J where Tom ended up guillotined. Not even, wasn't there ones where Tom had a date and Jerry just messes it up just because? And to add to your theory, the other diversion from that is when 2) Eventually we all want to know what would happen if the cat/coyote/etc. finally caught the mouse/bird, so we hope that the next episode will be that Very Special Episode. Yeah sometimes Jerry just started f***ing with Tom because he could. Also on the subject The Roadrunner cartoons were originally parodies of Tom and Jerry styled cartoons.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 10, 2015 17:28:32 GMT -5
Going with blame, here's one from Veronica Mars. I'll spoiler it, but Veronica blames Madison Sinclair for something. {Spoiler}Veronica blames Madison for her rape, when Madison was completely innocent in everything.
1. Madison did hand Veronica the drink, but Madison didn't know she was handing it to Veronica, and more importantly she didn't know it was drugged.
2. Madison was the intended victim. That's something that can't be forgotten, the drink was made for Madison. A drink made by her boyfriend Dick, yeah, her boyfriend was going to drug and rape her.
3. Veronica has no problem hanging out with Dick and Logan. As was covered Dick was going to drug and rape Madison. Hell, he was the one that took an unconscious Veronica to the room where she was raped, he even told the person that raped her to do it. She's cool with him. Dick got those drugs from Logan, who was distributing those drugs to people for the purpose of drugging their girlfriends. He also drugged his best friend, because he wanted Duncan to have some fun. So 2 of the 3 that played the biggest role in her rape, Veronica is cool with, but Madison who was innocent Veronica blames for being raped.
There were so many other reasons we should hate Madison, but her role in Veronica's rape is not one of them. She was completely innocent in it, but we're supposed to hate her for it, and like Veronica be cool with Dick and Logan.
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pegasuswarrior
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 10, 2015 20:27:12 GMT -5
Andrea is to blame for a lot. No sympathy deserved post-season 1.
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