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Post by Alexander The So-so on Jan 19, 2015 22:07:13 GMT -5
Not to get political, but 9/11 may have been a factor as well, since all of a sudden, we had a REAL problem to deal with as opposed to suburban angst. Not to mention that people wanted more positive messages in the wake of what happened, for the most part. As for the stuff about nu-metal bands hating their parents, thats why i always liked the line in Saliva's "Superstar II": "No whining about my evil parents/they did their best to raise their only son". Ha, I was actually going to bring up Saliva. Hell, they raised this point even more explicitly in a song on the album before this too, from their song Click Click Boom: "What the hell is wrong with me?/My mom and dad weren't perfect/But still you don't hear no cryin' ass bitchin' from me/like there seems to be/on everybody's CD." It's weird; I've always considered Saliva a nu-metal band. But they seemed to be really self-aware about the genre they were associated with.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 19, 2015 22:22:59 GMT -5
It wasn't mentioned as much outside the OP, but emo is likely what killed nu-metal more than anything.
If there's one thing that is clear in the music world, you will never go broke pandering to teen angst, and emo was just far, far better at marketing teen angst to angsty teens than nu-metal ever could be, plus without the same aura of "I'm being miserable to the same music the people who give me shit in school are using to hype themselves up" that kills a great teen angst-fest.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 19, 2015 22:42:15 GMT -5
I still enjoy listening to it.
As mentioned before, it was a fad that was never really going to last in the long term.
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Post by Juice on Jan 19, 2015 22:43:12 GMT -5
I think when people finally realized how f***ing stupid wide legged pants were they were like, oh nu metal f***ing sucks too for encouraging this shit.
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Post by Juice on Jan 19, 2015 22:43:56 GMT -5
damn double posts.
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Post by The Trashman on Jan 19, 2015 22:46:30 GMT -5
The same thing that kills every trend in music... time.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 19, 2015 22:50:51 GMT -5
can't speak for anyone else but I found stuff that was both more extreme and more interesting. nu-metal was kind of a gateway thing, and it was hard to take seriously once you got into the heavier stuff.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Jan 19, 2015 23:30:45 GMT -5
I think the audience growing up definitely killed it. Speaking personally, when I listen back to some of those bands I enjoyed back then, it just seems so cheesy. For the most part, it seemed like most of the lyrics were pure garbage. Example: Disturbed. Listening to something like Stupify or Down With the Sickness as an adult makes me cringe. Down With the Sickness especially does that. That portion in the middle where he pitches a fit about his mom is one of the most embarrassing things put on record. Ugh. I haven't thought of that in nearly a decade. It's like...what purpose did it serve? It's not poetic, insightful, or even really cathartic. It's just...extremely uncomfortable to listen to.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 19, 2015 23:50:55 GMT -5
Anyways, I grew out of Nu-Metal by the time I was 16 or something and had gotten through those awkward teenage years. By then I started listening to a lot of 90's alternative rock that managed to be much more interesting and entertaining since alternative could come in so many different forms.
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Jan 20, 2015 0:06:20 GMT -5
I was never a huge fan of nu-metal, but I did listen to it as a teenager. I actually still like the Limp Bizkit/Disturbed/Korn/Linkin Park stuff I listened to back then, which makes me feel worthless as a human being since everybody else either "grew out" of it or hates it entirely.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 20, 2015 0:10:23 GMT -5
Times change and burnout happens. That's always what happens.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 20, 2015 0:10:31 GMT -5
The same thing that killed everything else...
a monkey on a unicycle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 0:34:14 GMT -5
The record labels. They have the final say on what's popular and once they saw a shiny new toy (Post-grunge) they putall of their hype and attention on to that and thus Nu-Metal was dead in the water as a viable commercial property.
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Post by corndog on Jan 20, 2015 1:09:05 GMT -5
I think a lot of the individuals involved with the nu-metal movement grew up as well. There's no way Jonathan Davis, Fred Durst, Corey Taylor, Lajon Witherspoon, etc were going to remain as hungry, angry, and rebellious after making an ass of money with their music. Dee Snider said it best during Twisted Sister's peak. "I am sitting out in the sun, living in a mansion, and having two to three brand new cars trying to write the next angry anthem. And I couldn't think of a word because I couldn't have been happier." Plus with the emergence of bands like Coheed and Cambria, Alter Bridge, Killswitch Engage, Shadows Fall, Lamb of God, and Trivium it just managed to marginalize nu-metal into being irrevelent to a degree. I did find myself moving on to a lot of those band mentioned and I agree after a few years and a few million dollars, a lot of the bands failed to capture the same anger and energy they had when they came on in the scene. I will also say that bands like Slipknot and Mudvayne did transition a lot of the fans into a heavier sound, or at least a lot of people I knew that enjoyed them also liked the bands you mentioned. Also like most short lived popular styles of music, the market just became over saturated and watered down. The sound went from fresh in the beginning to just annoying. Although I went from being an adolecent in '94 when it really started to an adult by the time it ended. But when Korn and Limp Bizkit came out, they were original in their sound and unlike anything else in mainstream music. On a side note, I would like to mention I saw Sevendust in concert about two years and they can still can put on a hell of a show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 1:22:00 GMT -5
Evanescence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 1:32:03 GMT -5
God, I can't stand that band. it seems people mostly only 'like' them because the singer's a girl, and you know, that's TOTALZ TEH HAWTZ. Ugh. I hate post-grunge in general. It's the only post- genre that's worst than it's predecessor.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2015 1:34:56 GMT -5
I was never a huge fan of nu-metal, but I did listen to it as a teenager. I actually still like the Limp Bizkit/Disturbed/Korn/Linkin Park stuff I listened to back then, which makes me feel worthless as a human being since everybody else either "grew out" of it or hates it entirely. Don't feel that way. Everyone else is a lying sack of shit. A LOT of people bought their albums. They were popular, and now a lot of people who bought that stuff left and right is yelling about how much they hate it now that it isn't popular. It's sort of like disco, 80's hair metal, new wave, and the grunge movement. There were good acts from each genre, the genre got big, a lot of acts (some good, many not) appeared, a lot of records were sold, the fad faded and suddenly everyone and their mother hated it (except Cindy's mom. Cindy's mom kept it real by never giving up on her ABBA fandom). What happened to all of those fads? The best of each genre get played a lot now on classic channels and "way-back lunch" programming for Top 40 stations. Kids today admit that the Bee Gees were awesome, Flock of Seagulls looked stupid but had a really catchy sound, Motley Crue was both fun and had a lot of great songs, and that Alice in Chains were (and actually still is) amazing. Given enough time, nu-metal's elite talents will garner similar praise after it is no longer cool to hate on them.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Jan 20, 2015 1:37:12 GMT -5
This thread makes me feel better about still rocking Significant Other from time to time.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 20, 2015 1:37:44 GMT -5
Real metal.
Around the mid 2000s, look at all the bands that started to grow in popularity. You had guys like Arch Enemy, Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, God Forbid, and Dimmu Borgir becoming more visible. You also had hardcore/metalcore bands rising (and classic metal bands returning to fame to boot)
Honestly, once the internet became more available and made it easier to access these bands, nu metal's days were numbered. Just look how fast the line up of Ozzfest changed from 2001 to 2004.
Nu metal was the hardest music some people could get their hands on at one time. So once this happened, the genre never stood a chance.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 20, 2015 1:46:22 GMT -5
This thread makes me feel better about still rocking Significant Other from time to time. Why should anyone feel bad about that? Wes Borland is awesome. You should get the chance to rock out on anything he worked on.
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