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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 26, 2015 1:04:24 GMT -5
Reigns is being pushed as Cena 2.0, which killed his heat. He needed to be pushed like a Goldberg, and having him meeting up with Brock would have meant something. It's a combination of the WWE's even steven kind of booking(Big Show shouldn't have been able to touch him, let alone knock him out), and Vince's obsession about pushing one type of character, the John Cena type. They did Reigns no favor, and he really doesn't look ready. Yep, Roman works as the silent badass that wrecks shit. Since his return from injury they've thrown him into a feud with Big Show where he's been getting his ass kicked, and they're having him do stuff like storytime with Roman Reigns. If you want him to give promos, don't give him shit like that, let his actual charisma come through.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 1:04:32 GMT -5
i think he can improve with him being young and working with guys like Bryan & Cesaro. i really don't think he's that bad in ring compared to guys they have pushed in the past (Sid, Yokozuna, Diesel & Mabel) and the only problem is scripted promos. I have seen him on live mic with unscripted environment, he's really good. I agree, but do we want to see a guy main event while learning how to be a main eventer? Or do we want guys who are completely ready for the spot? Would it have really hurt to hold off on this push for a year? i think since Lesnar isn't going to be around longer, they wanted to make a new megastar by giving Reigns the rub of beating the man who beat the streak. Bryan doesn't need it (as much as i love to see Lesnar/Bryan).
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Post by Starshine on Jan 26, 2015 1:06:25 GMT -5
I agree, but do we want to see a guy main event while learning how to be a main eventer? Or do we want guys who are completely ready for the spot? Would it have really hurt to hold off on this push for a year? i think since Lesnar isn't going to be around longer, they wanted to make a new megastar by giving Reigns the rub of beating the man who beat the streak. Bryan doesn't need it (as much as i love to see Lesnar/Bryan). Ignore Bryan, It's not about him. It's about what will be, ugh... "best for business." Is it a good business move for your next top guy to get boo'd out of the building on what should be the defining moment of his career?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 1:08:15 GMT -5
i think since Lesnar isn't going to be around longer, they wanted to make a new megastar by giving Reigns the rub of beating the man who beat the streak. Bryan doesn't need it (as much as i love to see Lesnar/Bryan). Ignore Bryan, It's not about him. It's about what will be, ugh... "best for business." Is it a good business move for your next top guy to get boo'd out of the building on what should be the defining moment of his career? And for that matter, is it good business for your designated top guy to not be at all the most cheered person on the roster, do nothing to move ratings, not particularly sell much merch, not provide good matches, and not be able to talk for more than a few seconds without sounding like an utter buffoon?
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 1:10:30 GMT -5
i think since Lesnar isn't going to be around longer, they wanted to make a new megastar by giving Reigns the rub of beating the man who beat the streak. Bryan doesn't need it (as much as i love to see Lesnar/Bryan). Ignore Bryan, It's not about him. It's about what will be, ugh... "best for business." Is it a good business move for your next top guy to get boo'd out of the building on what should be the defining moment of his career? it's a smarky crowd and it's evident they were expecting such reaction since they had Cole mention crowd chanting for Bryan and they have Rock in the end. we will wait for the crowd response non-smark place before cool off on him. but ya you're right. boos for a face is never good and i think he *might* have had some positive reactions if the rumble was paced out entertainingly.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 26, 2015 1:15:11 GMT -5
The issue that most people, including myself, have with Reigns is that he just isn't ready. He's bland in-ring, average on the mic, and the fans have been given no reason to cheer for him besides being put against the bad guys. A superpush doesn't need to be bad, look at Austin and Rock. It just needs to be done well. i think he can improve with him being young and working with guys like Bryan & Cesaro. i really don't think he's that bad in ring compared to guys they have pushed in the past (Sid, Yokozuna, Diesel & Mabel) and the only problem is scripted promos. I have seen him on live mic with unscripted environment, he's really good. Those guys were smarter in-ring than Reigns has shown me to be. He has the absolute worst pacing I've ever seen when on offence, which as a top babyface is a cardinal sin. He's not in the top 5 best possible options for top guy out of the current face roster, even considering age and longevity he isn't top 3.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 1:20:24 GMT -5
i think he can improve with him being young and working with guys like Bryan & Cesaro. i really don't think he's that bad in ring compared to guys they have pushed in the past (Sid, Yokozuna, Diesel & Mabel) and the only problem is scripted promos. I have seen him on live mic with unscripted environment, he's really good. Those guys were smarter in-ring than Reigns has shown me to be. He has the absolute worst pacing I've ever seen when on offence, which as a top babyface is a cardinal sin. He's not in the top 5 best possible options for top guy out of the current face roster, even considering age and longevity he isn't top 3. he's had two major matches. against Orton at Summerslam, which i thought was really good. More to Orton than Reigns, but i think he did ok considering that was his first major ppv singles match. pacing, i think the four way main event at battleground, he totally made that match when he was running wild with signature moves. he needs some seasoning though.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jan 26, 2015 1:22:54 GMT -5
Those guys were smarter in-ring than Reigns has shown me to be. He has the absolute worst pacing I've ever seen when on offence, which as a top babyface is a cardinal sin. He's not in the top 5 best possible options for top guy out of the current face roster, even considering age and longevity he isn't top 3. he's had two major matches. against Orton at Summerslam, which i thought was really good. More to Orton than Reigns, but i think he did ok considering that was his first major ppv singles match. pacing, i think the four way main event at battleground, he totally made that match when he was running wild with signature moves. he needs some seasoning though. The fact that he's had only had one very good match so far doesn't send a signal to you that he isn't ready to be the top face of the promotion?
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 1:27:40 GMT -5
he's had two major matches. against Orton at Summerslam, which i thought was really good. More to Orton than Reigns, but i think he did ok considering that was his first major ppv singles match. pacing, i think the four way main event at battleground, he totally made that match when he was running wild with signature moves. he needs some seasoning though. The fact that he's had only had one very good match so far doesn't send a signal to you that he isn't ready to be the top face of the promotion? i see it more like, this guy had a good ppv match, can't wait to see what he can do in future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 6:46:34 GMT -5
I think calling the Orton match very good is being exceedingly generous. Or good at all. It was basically just one long, drawn-out chinlock with a really awesome RKO in there.
And even if it'd been match of the year, the guy shouldn't be winning the Rumble en route to ending the career of the guy who ended the streak when he's only had one singles PPV match in his entire career.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 26, 2015 6:59:58 GMT -5
I can tell you I don't much care for it because it's not even the compelling story they're telling at the moment. You just had three guys "get fired" for daring to stand up to the evil bosses. Two of them made it in the Rumble and the third did a run in. Thus, through basic story-telling, any of those guys would be logical choices to "show up the evil bosses".
You had a guy return from a legit injury, a massive crowd favorite, who could have one and the "he came back from what should have ended his career" becomes a compelling story. Not to mention last year's fiasco.
You could have had the Money in the Bank winner, who got absolutely made in a loss and who is the top heel in the company come in as the final entrant and cheat to win, even eliminating Reigns. That would have been a draw in that it tied together their "brotherhood betrayed" storyline with the MitB thing and the "chosen corporate golden boy" thing, plus, as mentioned, he gets actual real heat.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 26, 2015 7:18:41 GMT -5
Bryan had to surrender the title, he never lost it in the ring. Rumble guarantees you an automatic shot. Bryan is the perpetual underdog. Lesnar is the Beast Incarnate. Ended the Streak, dominated Cena, no one on the roster is close to him and f*** his light schedule, in the ring, where wrestling happens, no one can touch him at the moment. The odds are way higher for Bryan now, to regain what is rightfully his.
Maybe I'm f***ed up, but that's Booking 101, actually, they toss you out of the class if you don't know it yet.
WWE sucks. Time to face facts.
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Post by Juice on Jan 26, 2015 7:26:59 GMT -5
every new star with potential gets pushed one way or another.. maybe had Reigns done indies or not from rock family, he wouldn't be hated so much. In every damn Roman hate thread I always said I thought it was out of control. I didn't like the guy but the hate was out of control. Now after seeing you post in every damn thread after the rumble, you're no better with your constant defending and attacking those who don't like him. Roman Reigns has potential to be a good main eventer. If they struck last year while the iron was hot this would be a completely different story. But they didn't. And now coming back from injury he is worse than ever. He was the least talented of the Shield and still is. He shouldn't be in the mania main event, he won't perform well against lesnar. and thats a fact jack. Has nothing to do with being an Indy darling or part of the Rocks family. He's hated because his skill level is below his push. After tonight and the desperation in the tiny community of defending Roman I am officially on the f*** Reigns bandwagon.
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Post by repomark on Jan 26, 2015 7:27:58 GMT -5
For me, it is not the fact Roman Reigns won that annoyed me, it was the way in which he won.
I wanted Daniel Bryan to win, and given he was the returning hero who never lost the belt it would have made a lot of sense. However, if he was not going to win I would have accepted it if he had a strong showing to the end (or near the end) and was only eliminated through shenanigans that set up an angle for his mania match.
Instead Bryan was eliminated early clean as a whistle. What on earth was the thought process behind that? Did they think they couldn't have Daniel Bryan look like he might win because it might lead to a negative reaction for Roman Reigns? They sidestepped that land mine....
In a smarky town like philly they then proceeded to have Internet darlings Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose eliminated with ease. Bringing the Rock in to help Roman also reeked of desperation, as if LOOK HE IS RELATED TO THE ROCK would get the crowd to cheer him after this mess.
I actually feel sorry for Roman, as this isnt his fault and WWE are badly mishandling this. They learned nothing from last year, and he who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 26, 2015 7:33:23 GMT -5
For me, it is not the fact Roman Reigns won that annoyed me, it was the way in which he won. I wanted Daniel Bryan to win, and given he was the returning hero who never lost the belt it would have made a lot of sense. However, if he was not going to win I would have accepted it if he had a strong showing to the end (or near the end) and was only eliminated through shenanigans that set up an angle for his mania match. Instead Bryan was eliminated early clean as a whistle. What on earth was the thought process behind that? Did they think they couldn't have Daniel Bryan look like he might win because it might lead to a negative reaction for Roman Reigns? They sidestepped that land mine.... In a smarky town like philly they then proceeded to have Internet darlings Dolph Ziggler and Dean Ambrose eliminated with ease. Bringing the Rock in to help Roman also reeked of desperation, as if LOOK HE IS RELATED TO THE ROCK would get the crowd to cheer him after this mess. I actually feel sorry for Roman, as this isnt his fault and WWE are badly mishandling this. They learned nothing from last year, and he who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it. Forget "internet darling", they had a guy who they just "rehired" after "firing" him for daring to stand up to the bosses. Basic logic says, if you put that storyline out there, then he becomes a compelling choice to "force" his way into the Mania main event as a huge screw you to the evil baddies. Hell, have them put Seth in there as "insurance" at number 30, and have him screw over Reigns and Ambrose. Then we get that at Fast Lane and maybe that's how you put (if you must have him) Reigns in the Mania main event.
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Post by berlynwright on Jan 26, 2015 7:35:06 GMT -5
every new star with potential gets pushed one way or another.. maybe had Reigns done indies or not from rock family, he wouldn't be hated so much. In every damn Roman hate thread I always said I thought it was out of control. I didn't like the guy but the hate was out of control. Now after seeing you post in every damn thread after the rumble, you're no better with your constant defending and attacking those who don't like him. Roman Reigns has potential to be a good main eventer. If they struck last year while the iron was hot this would be a completely different story. But they didn't. And now coming back from injury he is worse than ever. He was the least talented of the Shield and still is. He shouldn't be in the mania main event, he won't perform well against lesnar. and thats a fact jack. Has nothing to do with being an Indy darling or part of the Rocks family. He's hated because his skill level is below his push. After tonight and the desperation in the tiny community of defending Roman I am officially on the f*** Reigns bandwagon. can you show me where the f*** i did attack those who don't like him?? god forbid if someone defend Reigns' push...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 7:47:10 GMT -5
In every damn Roman hate thread I always said I thought it was out of control. I didn't like the guy but the hate was out of control. Now after seeing you post in every damn thread after the rumble, you're no better with your constant defending and attacking those who don't like him. Roman Reigns has potential to be a good main eventer. If they struck last year while the iron was hot this would be a completely different story. But they didn't. And now coming back from injury he is worse than ever. He was the least talented of the Shield and still is. He shouldn't be in the mania main event, he won't perform well against lesnar. and thats a fact jack. Has nothing to do with being an Indy darling or part of the Rocks family. He's hated because his skill level is below his push. After tonight and the desperation in the tiny community of defending Roman I am officially on the f*** Reigns bandwagon. can you show me where the f*** i did attack those who don't like him?? god forbid if someone defend Reigns' push... Saying, "Maybe people would love him if he'd been in the indies," sounds like an attack to me.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 26, 2015 9:19:45 GMT -5
I think you can get away with Reigns winning, but even aside from the Bryan crap, the Rumble was sloppy and the finish sucked ass.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jan 26, 2015 10:20:19 GMT -5
im not upset Bryan didnt win , quite frankly he wouldnt have deserved this year , with being out majority of last year . My only complaint is , he was treated like a complete jobber That's exactly why Bryan does deserve it, because he never got a proper reign due to circumstances beyond anyones control.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 10:25:58 GMT -5
im not upset Bryan didnt win , quite frankly he wouldnt have deserved this year , with being out majority of last year . My only complaint is , he was treated like a complete jobber It should've been this huge moment when he got eliminated. Like when HBK got eliminated in 2010, when he wanted nothing worse than to go to Mania and avenge his loss to Taker from the year before. They half-assed it, with Bryan looking stunned and angry, but then he just walked to the back with little fanfare. Had they kept him in there until close to the end, the rest of the match would've had a lot more energy to it, and Reigns wouldn't have gotten as vicious of a reaction coming in. He still would've caught hell for winning, but he was in the match getting booed for a half hour, that's way worse.
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