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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 26, 2015 22:28:07 GMT -5
Absolutely. Reigns is just in the unfortunate spot of being the embodiment of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2015 23:13:46 GMT -5
Interesting how Rock being there and coming in for the save is construed as "giving the rub" ... but when Cena does it, he's injecting himself in the main event so he can get the rub off of it. Same exact action, different interpretation. Rock only shows up sporadically and Cena's a main character...I'd wager it's only logical to interpret their booking patterns differently even when they're superficially similar.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jan 26, 2015 23:16:16 GMT -5
It's both, but there's a reason why it's just Reigns that got all those boos for his entrance.
People have watched his work and determined from what they have seen from the guy that he does not deserve to be in the main event spot he has been handed.
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 26, 2015 23:17:18 GMT -5
There was a running theme through the entire match - Bryan, Ziggler, Ambrose, Mizdow, and Ryback were all disposed of in quick, anticlimactic ways clearly intended to make you see them as not being real contenders. There's a reason Reigns came out very, very shortly after Bryan was tossed, they thought with Bryan gone the crowd would get on Roman's side. I disagree 100%. The booking to me was not to make them look like chumps, but to build heat on Show and Kane and make them look like an unstoppable duo, so that Reigns being the last babyface was the final chance for someone to stop their dominance. It just so happened that Reigns was f***ed no matter what he did. I also don't think they expected the crowd to "be on Roman's side" after Bryan got eliminated as much as getting Bryan out early they thought would give them 10 minutes or so for them to digest it and say "Well he's out, let's move on and see what happens the rest of the show." I don't think ANYONE expected the crowd to just flat out act like THAT for the last half of the Rumble. Except they were pretty damn hot for Ambrose and Ziggler, mostly the latter.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 26, 2015 23:20:12 GMT -5
I voted false mainly because of the word predominantly. I think there is a very real backlash against Reigns that goes side by side with the creative direction because it is the creative direction that is pushing him when he's obviously not ready for it. I'm still hoping they do something to change this but after watching Raw tonight it doesn't seem like it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 26, 2015 23:20:41 GMT -5
True. People loved Reigns as part of The Shield. Since the split, and especially since his return from injury, his booking has been infuriating.
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Post by FAR5222 on Jan 26, 2015 23:25:24 GMT -5
It's both. Those fans didn't want to see Reigns win no matter what. If Bryan didn't return they would have wanted Ziggler or Ambrose. That Rumble could have been booked perfectly and the crowd wouldn't have wanted Reigns still.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Jan 27, 2015 2:53:49 GMT -5
Interesting how Rock being there and coming in for the save is construed as "giving the rub" ... but when Cena does it, he's injecting himself in the main event so he can get the rub off of it. Same exact action, different interpretation. The Rock is around almost never, so when he arrives it's usually a big deal, and his involvement in an angle or a segment usually jacks it up to "big time". When Cena makes the save, oftentimes at the end when he's holding up the hand of whomever he saved, it's his theme music playing. Also, I have no idea where this "injecting" complaint is coming from; most of the time people are criticizing Cena for not making the save and just doing nothing while his "buddies" get beaten up, rather than getting too many moments as the cavalry.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 27, 2015 2:59:55 GMT -5
Both.
I hate the way WWE books things, but I wouldn't mind them trying to force feed a handpicked star if they handpicked someone who had the talent to justify it.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 27, 2015 3:29:53 GMT -5
Both. I hate the way WWE books things, but I wouldn't mind them trying to force feed a handpicked star if they handpicked someone who had the talent to justify it. When's the last time they actually did that? Holy crap, as far back as Lesnar?
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Post by blues on Jan 27, 2015 3:33:33 GMT -5
Both. But mainly the product.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 27, 2015 3:38:53 GMT -5
Reigns just isn't ready yet. That's about all. Reigns isn't ready and no one wanted to see Bryan leave nor ever get his spot back once he came back, the fans didn't really get what they wanted, a nice run with the title for Bryan.
The fact they so far seem to playing off his family as his biggest selling point, I know it's only a night, but it's most of what Heyman mentioned, is kind of scary. Heyman also mentioned him as the Next Big Thing and all the respect for his family, makes me wonder if they don't align Reigns with Heyman at Mania because Reigns is gonna need a mouthpiece.
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Post by adamclark52 on Jan 27, 2015 4:05:41 GMT -5
Of course it's true. Us wrestling fans have been clamoring for new stars, new faces, new matches. We complained about the last three Wrestlemanias being headlined by part timers. So here we are getting something new and fresh...and we complain. Forget "f*** THE WWE", more like "f*** US".
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jan 27, 2015 4:09:16 GMT -5
Roman Reigns isn't very enjoyable. BALEE DAT.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 27, 2015 4:35:24 GMT -5
It was a perfect storm of different things but mostly aimed at WWE. The major issue is people don't want Reigns vs Lesnar at WM. In many ways it was a repeat of last year, fool me once... Many don't like Reigns based on the quality of his performances and media interviews, on their own though that's not enough for a huge negative reaction but is when combined with everything else. Even in kayfabe we've been told that the hand-picked face of the WWE is a heel since just before The Authority angle started or maybe since the pipebomb was dropped, those the machine don't like are faces, people have been able to tell Reigns is the chosen one for well over a year so he should be a heel by WWE's own reality era logic. People don't like being told who to cheer for in or out of kayfabe. WWE helped create that mess and have to live with. What I'm curious about is say you take Bryan and Reigns last night and just reverse their positions in the match. The match is booked exactly the same. Does it change the fact that people thought it was booked horribly only because the guy winning is getting cheered? Do people still say "WWE doesn't know how to do anything" because of the way the match was handled, or does it change because the main event is different? Of course it would change things, the lice backlash wouldn't exist and many believe that alls well that ends well. However people would still say it was booked horribly, any credible major face being unceremoniously eliminated like that in any rumble would be underwhelming as was most of the match. Interesting how Rock being there and coming in for the save is construed as "giving the rub" ... but when Cena does it, he's injecting himself in the main event so he can get the rub off of it. Same exact action, different interpretation. Helping family is different.
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Post by SinisterMinister on Jan 27, 2015 4:36:46 GMT -5
Kane and Big Show dominated the Royal Rumble................ in 2015.
That's shit booking.
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Post by Allison Reynolds on Jan 27, 2015 4:49:44 GMT -5
I like Roman Reigns. Didn't mind the result of him winning, cause I expected it, but...
Did not like the booking of that rumble match at all. Terrible.
And I feel sorry for Roman, being the focus of that backlash, because he was chosen to win, when there were better choices this time around that the WWE didn't pick and it's ruining him before he's even ready with all the negative live reaction.
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Post by froggyfrog on Jan 27, 2015 14:09:40 GMT -5
Of course it's true. Us wrestling fans have been clamoring for new stars, new faces, new matches. We complained about the last three Wrestlemanias being headlined by part timers. So here we are getting something new and fresh...and we complain. Forget "f*** THE WWE", more like "f*** US". I think this is a good point. People have been asking for new stars for years. Roman isn't a fresh call up getting pushed to the moon right away. He's been around a bit and was popular.
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Post by gr1990 on Jan 27, 2015 14:17:37 GMT -5
If there were other things to get excited about, I'm sure people would be a lot easier on Roman, and anyone thinking clearly about it can't honestly blame him personally for WWE wanting to push him so hard, or even for not being able to live up to his hype since he's been wrestling for at least five years less than every other current top guy. So I'd say True.
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Post by kingbookermark on Jan 27, 2015 14:24:45 GMT -5
I dislike the decision because they picked the wrong guy.
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