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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 8:53:50 GMT -5
No he is now the Unseen, plus Ultimate Fury is sorta like the Fury in the regular universe. Sort of how Mysterio switched places with Ultimate Mysterio at one point From what I remember of Mysterio there was no Ultimate Mysterio, and it was the same guy in both universes. And then Mysterio was involved in SPIDER-MEN, and somehow got stuck & imprisoned on Ultimate Earth. ......speaking of which, is he still there? Did he come back? Will be make it back before the ULTIMATE END!!!!!! ?
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 25, 2015 9:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 25, 2015 15:29:44 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Jun 26, 2015 5:32:40 GMT -5
Not digging the short hair. Sure, I buy the reason for it, but to take your premier female hero and make her look like a flat chested, short haired dude kinda defeats the point, no? How about actually entering a debate instead of posting a 'feel superior' image? If they have defeminised their premier female, the only one heading for a movie, to the point that unless you knew the character was a female you wouldn't automatically know, what is the point? If they are not pushing that this character is a strong female, one who can embrace her femininity and still go out and get the job done (and by embracing her femininity I do not mean wearing her old costume, I literally just mean looking more like a female) then what is the point of trying to push a strong female? If the only way Marvel feel they can get a woman over is to either a) give her a male's identity or b) make her look more like a male, then what is the point of them trying to push females? You dont see DC cutting of Wonder Woman's hair to make her less 'cheese cakey,' instead they change the costume and play up the warrior aspect. Batwoman doesnt get drawn or written as some cardboard cut out lesbian stereotype as an ex-forces based superhero, like Carol, so why do Marvel feel the need to reduce the feminine aspects of the character to promote her here?
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Post by Jiren on Jun 26, 2015 6:10:07 GMT -5
How about actually entering a debate instead of posting a 'feel superior' image? If they have defeminised their premier female, the only one heading for a movie, to the point that unless you knew the character was a female you wouldn't automatically know, what is the point? If they are not pushing that this character is a strong female, one who can embrace her femininity and still go out and get the job done (and by embracing her femininity I do not mean wearing her old costume, I literally just mean looking more like a female) then what is the point of trying to push a strong female? If the only way Marvel feel they can get a woman over is to either a) give her a male's identity or b) make her look more like a male, then what is the point of them trying to push females? You dont see DC cutting of Wonder Woman's hair to make her less 'cheese cakey,' instead they change the costume and play up the warrior aspect. Batwoman doesnt get drawn or written as some cardboard cut out lesbian stereotype as an ex-forces based superhero, like Carol, so why do Marvel feel the need to reduce the feminine aspects of the character to promote her here? I hope DC never do that, their "feminist appeasement" at the moment is good enough. They're feminine without being slutty (We have broadsword for that)
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Post by Talent Name on Jun 26, 2015 6:58:14 GMT -5
From what I remember of Mysterio there was no Ultimate Mysterio, and it was the same guy in both universes. And then Mysterio was involved in SPIDER-MEN, and somehow got stuck & imprisoned on Ultimate Earth. ......speaking of which, is he still there? Did he come back? Will be make it back before the ULTIMATE END!!!!!! ? He was there when Cataclysm happened so my guess is he is still there
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 26, 2015 8:26:13 GMT -5
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 26, 2015 12:27:57 GMT -5
So uh apparently Marvel is coming out in September with "Captain America: white" I know its part of their character color titles like hulk grey but uh... that had to be intentional right
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Post by FinalGwen on Jun 26, 2015 14:16:01 GMT -5
How about actually entering a debate instead of posting a 'feel superior' image? If they have defeminised their premier female, the only one heading for a movie, to the point that unless you knew the character was a female you wouldn't automatically know, what is the point? If they are not pushing that this character is a strong female, one who can embrace her femininity and still go out and get the job done (and by embracing her femininity I do not mean wearing her old costume, I literally just mean looking more like a female) then what is the point of trying to push a strong female? If the only way Marvel feel they can get a woman over is to either a) give her a male's identity or b) make her look more like a male, then what is the point of them trying to push females? You dont see DC cutting of Wonder Woman's hair to make her less 'cheese cakey,' instead they change the costume and play up the warrior aspect. Batwoman doesnt get drawn or written as some cardboard cut out lesbian stereotype as an ex-forces based superhero, like Carol, so why do Marvel feel the need to reduce the feminine aspects of the character to promote her here? I'm not going to act like 'she should have long hair and big tits 'cause she's female' is a debate worthy of getting into on any serious level. There are women and girls across the world who have short hair and are flat chested. It doesn't make them trying to look like men, it doesn't make them 'defeminised'. There is not one sole way a woman can look and be a strong character.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:39:13 GMT -5
How about actually entering a debate instead of posting a 'feel superior' image? If they have defeminised their premier female, the only one heading for a movie, to the point that unless you knew the character was a female you wouldn't automatically know, what is the point? If they are not pushing that this character is a strong female, one who can embrace her femininity and still go out and get the job done (and by embracing her femininity I do not mean wearing her old costume, I literally just mean looking more like a female) then what is the point of trying to push a strong female? If the only way Marvel feel they can get a woman over is to either a) give her a male's identity or b) make her look more like a male, then what is the point of them trying to push females? You dont see DC cutting of Wonder Woman's hair to make her less 'cheese cakey,' instead they change the costume and play up the warrior aspect. Batwoman doesnt get drawn or written as some cardboard cut out lesbian stereotype as an ex-forces based superhero, like Carol, so why do Marvel feel the need to reduce the feminine aspects of the character to promote her here? I'm not going to act like 'she should have long hair and big tits 'cause she's female' is a debate worthy of getting into on any serious level. There are women and girls across the world who have short hair and are flat chested. It doesn't make them trying to look like men, it doesn't make them 'defeminised'. There is not one sole way a woman can look and be a strong character. Its funny, when a long-haired male superhero is in the mix, people rarely ever try and say he looks too "feminine" but give a gal a short haircut and suddenly she's "too masculine." Oh KitKat, give me a break.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 26, 2015 14:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 15:14:40 GMT -5
Wasn't UXM #600, at some point, supposed to be his "trial" for all the Illuminati shenanigans he's been part of? Maybe he gets kicked out and the X-teams unite or something?
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Post by Talent Name on Jun 26, 2015 16:23:38 GMT -5
So uh apparently Marvel is coming out in September with "Captain America: white" I know its part of their character color titles like hulk grey but uh... that had to be intentional right They also have Spider-Man: Blue, Daredevil: Yellow, and was an early years story but yea its highly highly highly awkward spot
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 26, 2015 16:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by Legion on Jun 26, 2015 17:43:40 GMT -5
How about actually entering a debate instead of posting a 'feel superior' image? If they have defeminised their premier female, the only one heading for a movie, to the point that unless you knew the character was a female you wouldn't automatically know, what is the point? If they are not pushing that this character is a strong female, one who can embrace her femininity and still go out and get the job done (and by embracing her femininity I do not mean wearing her old costume, I literally just mean looking more like a female) then what is the point of trying to push a strong female? If the only way Marvel feel they can get a woman over is to either a) give her a male's identity or b) make her look more like a male, then what is the point of them trying to push females? You dont see DC cutting of Wonder Woman's hair to make her less 'cheese cakey,' instead they change the costume and play up the warrior aspect. Batwoman doesnt get drawn or written as some cardboard cut out lesbian stereotype as an ex-forces based superhero, like Carol, so why do Marvel feel the need to reduce the feminine aspects of the character to promote her here? I'm not going to act like 'she should have long hair and big tits 'cause she's female' is a debate worthy of getting into on any serious level. There are women and girls across the world who have short hair and are flat chested. It doesn't make them trying to look like men, it doesn't make them 'defeminised'. There is not one sole way a woman can look and be a strong character. Except that they have changed her to this look. They have not created a character with the look, they have taken their premier female character and taken away a lot of her immediate feminine traits. Again, the point being questioned is asking why Marvel have done that to their premier female character? Are they admitting that the only way to get a female to sale is to either hide her femininity, or to give her a male heroes identity (Jane Foster as Thor for example, she has the power of Thor, but has also taken his name - because a book starring Jane with the power of Thor but not having her use the name might not sale?)? I believe that that is a point worth debating - not what they have done, but why they have done it.
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Post by knightrider01 on Jun 26, 2015 19:46:17 GMT -5
I'm not going to act like 'she should have long hair and big tits 'cause she's female' is a debate worthy of getting into on any serious level. There are women and girls across the world who have short hair and are flat chested. It doesn't make them trying to look like men, it doesn't make them 'defeminised'. There is not one sole way a woman can look and be a strong character. Except that they have changed her to this look. They have not created a character with the look, they have taken their premier female character and taken away a lot of her immediate feminine traits. Again, the point being questioned is asking why Marvel have done that to their premier female character? Are they admitting that the only way to get a female to sale is to either hide her femininity, or to give her a male heroes identity (Jane Foster as Thor for example, she has the power of Thor, but has also taken his name - because a book starring Jane with the power of Thor but not having her use the name might not sale?)? I believe that that is a point worth debating - not what they have done, but why they have done it. That's one of the main problems I have with Marvel right now. It seems to me they don't have any faith in any actual diverse characters. So instead of a Falcon book you just make him Captain America. No faith in a Sif or Valkyrie, because the last one failed, so make Jane Thor while still having real Thor. Ms. Marvel or Carol feel like exceptions because in the past you have had other people use those identities so they feel more like a legacy character. Especially when you remember that Carol is not the first female Captain Marvel. But then I look at DC and they are doing incredible things with actual diversity. Plenty of Female led books like Harley Quinn or Starfire, yet they have retain a quality of sexuality which is hard to argue with since Amanda Conner is on three of these books. Look Amanda Conner gets it everybody men or women or other like looking at sexy women. You also have books like Grayson or now Midnighter which is pure beef cake. I'm not gay but even I can understand the appeal of a book about a deadlier Batman who fights crime and then goes home to have hard gay sex. The difference between the two companies is that Marvel just has better PR. But to make Legion's point he is not saying that there can't be short haired small breasted characters but you should create something new instead of just changing appearances of famous characters to appease some people. Remember there are real big breasted women in this world and changing characters could be considered shaming them.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 26, 2015 19:48:47 GMT -5
is there some way I can just wire all my money to Nick Spencer directly? seriously, dude's knocking it out of the park again.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 26, 2015 22:04:33 GMT -5
So on SW
Young Jean Grey was supposed to be on the life raft, but this was changed for the story, but not for the Alex Ross cover.
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Post by jagilki on Jun 26, 2015 22:50:13 GMT -5
OK, comic book stores are far away from here so... WHY CAN'T I FIND WEIRDWORLD 2 or 3 ONLINE!
I've got one.... four and five are pre-ordered from midtown, but I CAN'T FIND 2 or 3 for sale.... (haven't looked for a few days though)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 0:10:29 GMT -5
I'm not going to act like 'she should have long hair and big tits 'cause she's female' is a debate worthy of getting into on any serious level. There are women and girls across the world who have short hair and are flat chested. It doesn't make them trying to look like men, it doesn't make them 'defeminised'. There is not one sole way a woman can look and be a strong character. Except that they have changed her to this look. They have not created a character with the look, they have taken their premier female character and taken away a lot of her immediate feminine traits. Again, the point being questioned is asking why Marvel have done that to their premier female character? Are they admitting that the only way to get a female to sale is to either hide her femininity, or to give her a male heroes identity (Jane Foster as Thor for example, she has the power of Thor, but has also taken his name - because a book starring Jane with the power of Thor but not having her use the name might not sale?)? I believe that that is a point worth debating - not what they have done, but why they have done it. Same reason they changed Superman's costume, look, design, etc over the years. Its away of "creating news" for their brand. "Superman's new costume!" "Wolverine loses a hand!" "Storm gets a mohawk!" etc etc and so on. Comics have a long, long history of making stunt changes to characters just to create buzz, get more attention, and what not. I'm sure this is no different. I don't think they're trying to take away her "femininity" (by whatever apparently narrow definition its perceived) but just make her more appealing to whatever demographic they're trying to get more of. Its a very common occurrence across Marvel and DC's characters.
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