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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5
This board is at its best when posters lampoon wrestling, not outright getting mad over it. IF MY GUY DOESNT WIN ALL THE FAKE FIGHTS THEN f*** YOU
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Feb 1, 2015 13:07:38 GMT -5
This board is at its best when posters lampoon wrestling, not outright getting mad over it. IF MY GUY DOESNT WIN ALL THE FAKE FIGHTS THEN f*** YOU As a fan of Zack Ryder, I've long grown immune to that feeling. ...
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Post by Abdullah on Feb 1, 2015 13:28:45 GMT -5
There are limits of course to anger of course. I generally don't like the 'lol men in tights' self-deprecation of fans, though.
Getting overemotional about anything is problematic. Wrestling shouldn't get a special mention because it's somehow less dignified than other television shows. It isn't. At its best, during NXT specials for example, it's amazing and worth every bit of the investment.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 1, 2015 14:22:14 GMT -5
I'd say it is less dignified than many shows. There's NOTHING wrong with that, soap operas are less dignified than other shows as well, and they too have devoted fanbases.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Feb 1, 2015 15:38:20 GMT -5
This should be in off topic.
#partypooper
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 1, 2015 15:44:47 GMT -5
I'd say it is less dignified than many shows. There's NOTHING wrong with that, soap operas are less dignified than other shows as well, and they too have devoted fanbases. Speaking of which, WWE REALLY needs to base a Diva on Cookie from Empire and expose The Bellas as the bourgie debutantes they are.
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Post by froggyfrog on Feb 1, 2015 15:56:41 GMT -5
Alright guys. Look. I know I'm probably the last guy who should say anything about this, but for the few days I was banned, I've calmed down and have recaptured a clear head. I said/implied some awful things about an individual that I don't even know personally and for that there is no excuse. I'll cut to the chase. Things have been really weird around here for the past few days. I've noticed a lot of threads/posts that are a lot more personal than they really need to be, whether they're directed at someone on the forum or someone working in the WWE. It seems to be a pretty down atmosphere here all around, and I certainly didn't help matters by acting like an absolute idiot. I'm not in a fantastic place right now myself. Let's face it. A lot of people aren't happy with the WWE/Roman Reigns/Vince/whatever. And I understand that. I'm not too happy either. But let's try to remember. We all have the power to do what we want, feel how we want, and act how we want. What we should be doing is trying to turn a negative into a positive. Create some happiness, you know? I'm definitely not saying that we should be happy regardless of how 'bad' the WWE is, but I'm saying that we should be a bit more positive about things. All this negativity doesn't do anyone good, and really, it just promotes more of it. And I'm not saying everything should be just flowers and hugging and rainbows, either. Let's just try and remember that wrestling, like pretty much every other thing in existence, has it's down moments. And we can be critical of those down moments all we want, but in the end, will that make us feel better? The WWE has quite honestly shown that they're not going to listen to us no matter what we do, so you can either jump off the ship altogether or stay on it and try and find SOMETHING good about it. Both choices are equally right in my estimation. But all in all, we need to remember that hey. It's just a TV show. It's just a wrestling match. Getting wound up over something like that and taking it out on someone/something else, especially if you have worse things happening in your life, isn't good for anyone, mainly yourself. That's what makes this place so great. As Stone Cold would say, FAN has a keen ability to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. I really hate seeing countless negative threads in such a fun-loving place. Not forbidding your right to make those kinds of threads. If you wanna make a thread about how much you hate so and so, be my guest, but just know that it's not going to promote anything but more negativity towards this place. Let's just chill out and have a little fun with what we're given. We're all wrestling fans here, so let's stand up for eachother! We can disagree with eachother and still be able to goof off with no ill will, and that's why I love coming here. There should always be a chill/fun vibe. Let's have a little more of that, please? "I'll cut to the chase" procedes to write a novel with no tldr
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:04:38 GMT -5
"I'll cut to the chase" procedes to write a novel with no tldr TL;DR: Let's stop being such sourpusses about a fake fighting program and try to have some fun with it. Happy?
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on Feb 1, 2015 16:20:33 GMT -5
Request denied. This is the only place I can complain about wrestling. When I do it at the supermarket I get escorted out by security.
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 1, 2015 16:30:31 GMT -5
Request denied. This is the only place I can complain about wrestling. When I do it at the supermarket I get escorted out by security. Security guard:"Look, we're sorry that Tesco is out of Ramen Noodles, but you're disrupting the workers, so you'll have to leave with us now." Rubix:"I said ROMAN REIGNS!"
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 1, 2015 16:43:10 GMT -5
I know I'm guilty of some pretty emotionally charged posts on here, sometimes my feelings cloud better judgment. I love wrestling. It's been my escape since childhood. I've also been an underdog my entire life. I've been a runner-up to countless opportunities despute being the most qualified, only to see them go to other people better liked by those in charge. I identify so strongly with guys like Bryan and Ziggler, and I let their booking make me angrier than it should.
That being said, I still find entertainment in the poor product. The weekly RAW threads are the most fun when the show sucks. I had a blast on here during Rock's birthday episode.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:49:35 GMT -5
B-But where else am I going to tell people I don't like the color of Daniel Bryan's socks, therefore he shouldn't win the mainevent RussleMana Play Button?
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Post by Andy Martin on Feb 1, 2015 17:03:17 GMT -5
A good rule of thumb is before you get too angry at either what's playing out on-screen or other posters is to remember the inherent silliness of what you're getting emotional about. It's people pretending to fight, and for the most part acting really, really badly. It can be really entertaining, but at no time is it worth getting legitimately angry about. It's like getting pissed off at say the circus, or a puppet show. DAMN YOU MUPPETS!!!!! *shakes fist angrily* Gotta make Kermit look strong.
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Post by ssdrivin on Feb 1, 2015 18:36:51 GMT -5
This board is at its best when posters lampoon wrestling, not outright getting mad over it. IF MY GUY DOESNT WIN ALL THE FAKE FIGHTS THEN f*** YOU Warning: Long, opinionated, speculative post ahead:I know this was intended as a joke, but I'd like to use it as a bit of a springboard to explain how I view the current feelings about WWE, if you'll indulge me... I really, really don't think it's as simple as "why doesn't my guy win?", or even "WWE sucks, indies rule!", I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. Many of us have followed wrestling (and specifically WWE) for many years now and it's been part of our lives, our childhoods, our teenage years, our adult years, year in and year out for all that time, we've become heavily invested and very strongly attached to it, to varying degrees. We remember we love(d) it for some reason, and every now and then WWE reminds us why with a blinding flash of brilliance, a spectacular blowoff, an exemplary PPV main event, an angle that actually makes sense and holds genuine emotion. We know what WWE can do when it tries, we've seen its best and we've seen its worst, and we see when they're just being lazy or illogical or (what might sometimes be considered) hostile. This, I would say, is one of those times. At first it's disappointing, that show you love isn't fun any more, they're doing everything "wrong", everything is stupid. But beyond that, loyal long time viewers are realising that for whatever reason WWE does not care, we are not its core audience, we can armchair book all we like, and even if we're validated by huge names in wrestling agreeing with us, Vince and his team don't believe that what we want is what's good for the company. Maybe they're right, maybe we're right, who knows, but at the end of the day it's their decision, their company, their future, it's their job to make money in whichever way is most lucrative, and perhaps that doesn't align with what we would prefer. It's a bit like when a band you've loved and supported for years suddenly changes lanes and starts making music quite antithetical to what you thought caused them to deserve that devotion and money. But having said that, I don't think it's even so much that we're demanding the earth. See examples: Example 1: I've said for years that Cena would be far less "controversial" if they stopped writing him as if it's Groundhog Day. Nothing matters, nothing changes him, every time he suffers a massive life-shaking loss which he claims means the world to him and would shake his very core if he lost he just brushes it off like nothing happened. If you're going to pretend it's a huge match for him, MAKE IT MEAN SOMETHING. After his loss to Lesnar, he should have been trying his damndest (as a character) to prove to us that he was doing everything physically possible to channel his aggression, beef up his body, be the best man he could possibly be, that monster he said he'd have to become to beat Brock. Did we get that? Not really, we just got Cena being Cena. It's not terribly difficult to fix this, it should be a given that he's already written in such a way, it's simple story-telling. Characters which just sort of "exist" suck. It's not Cena that sucks, he's good at what he does, he's just too... Teflon. Example 2: Bryan vs Authority Mk I. Too one-sided. Give me hope occasionally. I understand that sometimes you have to build slowly to a massive blowoff where the face finally gets his win and leaves the heels with egg on their faces, but there's a limit to what I'm going to sit through. I'm not going to sit there watching Bryan get kayfabe shat on week after week after week with no sign of even a flicker of hope. I would contrast this with Attitude era feuds with authority figures. Yes, yes, I know, Bryan isn't Steve Austin and isn't supposed to be, nor is he Triple H, or anybody else that Vince came up against during that time. But unless I'm misremembering I at least believed that there was some hope that Vince would overcome the enemy, or that the plucky anti-hero would get one over on Vince (depending on who I liked at the time). I know people sometimes say that see-saw booking sucks, but surely there's a middle ground? Is it so bad to want something other than seemingly endless crushing oppression when we know the likely outcome is that the heels get off more or less unscathed? Example 3: Brock Lesnar. I'm not his biggest fan, but I can't deny that he has a backstory which makes him the man. He's a hulking badass with the accolades to back it up, I can't deny that. My problem, however, is that they've painted him as untouchable, above even Cena, and everyone else being far below Cena they clearly have no chance in hell, so to speak. The hierarchy is all out of whack. If Guy A is so much further up the ladder than Guy B who in turn is streets ahead of Guy C, why would anybody expect Guy C to beat Guy A without serious shenanigans? I feel there needs to be a smoother gradient in talent ability toward the top of the card to solve this. Part of this I think was caused by the mediocre 00s period during which there weren't a great many massively over, top-tier, clear main event guys being made, but it needs to be resolved to have a believable main event roster worth shouting about. Edit to include an example I forgot: Example 4: Bray Wyatt, the enigmatic go-nowhere cult leader who seems to have been more or less treading water character-wise for months on end. I was originally reluctant, eventually became interested, then he just sort of ran on the spot for a while. Who is this guy? Why should I care? What's the message behind all his ramblings? Who is Sister Abigail? What caused him to become this guy? Why does he keep picking on people like it means something, when it turns out that nothing happens? All of these questions and more inhibit me from giving a damn, but they could just drip feed us the answers so we have some reason to consider him as anything other than a random crazy guy with a beard.Now, you may or may not agree with me on those points, but there are positives too, Dean Ambrose is the most promising charismatic crazy person I've seen in quite some time. I think in time Reigns will better find his niche, there's plenty of time to go - I disliked Sheamus' moon push when he won the Cena table match, but I got over it eventually. Rollins seems to be doing alright for himself, and unusually I find his role in the Authority quite convincing, even if I don't believe he could beat a guy like Lesnar without some serious no-DQ action going on. I've even warmed to Ziggler over the last few months, because - and here's the important bit - they gave him something to do/be! I don't quite know where I'm going with this any more, I sort of lost direction half way through, but I suppose what I'm trying to say is that maybe it's ok if we as fans and WWE decide to "see other people" for a while. If it turns out that we matter that much they'll come around, and if not then they were never going to change for us anyway. It is just a TV show after all, and in this era of "reality", leaks and the internet being what it is, sometimes we forget that, the real and scripted parts of wrestling blend together to make a not-entirely-healthy confused cocktail of wtfery. So, er, where were we? Wheaton's Law applies, I guess - don't be a dick. We can all have differing opinions without resorting to barbarism, something the internet could do with remembering from time to time. Wrestling is supposed to be fun, so let's not make it a(ny more of a) chore. If you made it to the end, congratulations, you win an internet cookie.
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Post by bmfjules on Feb 1, 2015 19:18:54 GMT -5
Everybody quick, dump a bottle of coke into your computer.
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Post by ssdrivin on Feb 1, 2015 19:25:58 GMT -5
Everybody quick, dump a bottle of coke into your computer. Coke? Bah, Coke sucks, rammed down our throats all the time, pushed everywhere, constant media appearances! Pepsi is the future, underdogs ftw! Oh, and [your favourite store brand cola] sucks.
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Post by froggyfrog on Feb 1, 2015 22:53:17 GMT -5
"I'll cut to the chase" procedes to write a novel with no tldr TL;DR: Let's stop being such sourpusses about a fake fighting program and try to have some fun with it. Happy? I feel like that's what I already do tho.
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