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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Feb 18, 2015 10:22:21 GMT -5
John Cena just wants to help Make-A-Wish kids and doesn't care how he makes most of the fans suffer. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 18, 2015 10:45:12 GMT -5
Fire Lord Ozai from A:TLA. His general idea is his belief in the alleged superiority of his country and his innate cruelty. There's nothing, no reason for the audience to all of a sudden abandon Aang and side with the Fire Nation, he's just a straight up bully with a powerful army.
Sometimes that's all a story needs, IMO. I think some writers actually focus to hard on giving villains "realistic motivations", and they forget to make them hateable. A story with an unlikable hero can be salvaged if the bad guy is enough of a jerk, but a villain you want to see win just causes the whole house to crumble. We have no reason to follow the protagonist if they don't have common sense on their side.
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Post by adamclark52 on Feb 18, 2015 11:51:17 GMT -5
Is Michael Douglas considered the villain in Falling Down? If so I like his motive: he's just f***ing HAD IT!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 18, 2015 12:22:02 GMT -5
Is Michael Douglas considered the villain in Falling Down? If so I like his motive: he's just f***ing HAD IT! He wasn't really a villain, he was just kind of a surly asshole going up against other assholes. I don't really like that movie...
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 18, 2015 12:35:49 GMT -5
General Hummel in The Rock. If I were in his position I can't say I wouldn't do something similar. John Mason was right. Taking innocent hostages and threatening biological warfare with a group of sadistic mercenaries was a crazy way of protesting against the treatment of Marines. True, but the real flaw in the plan was the use of the mercenaries (or keeping them in the dark about his true intentions, at least). It was a bluff and if he'd used men who were on the same page as him nobody would have gotten hurt, even if the plan ultimately failed.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 18, 2015 12:45:32 GMT -5
The history buff/conspiracy theorist in me lives Judge Doom's plot in Roger Rabbit, in no small part because it is loosely based on what real companies did in California.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 18, 2015 17:37:25 GMT -5
Stu in "Scream"
Peer pressure, he's far too sensitive.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 18, 2015 18:02:12 GMT -5
Gul Dukat in DS9, who's invented an entire life story in his head about being a hero who's misunderstood by his own people, unfairly maligned by the Bajorans, and secretly respected by his Federation opponents. A man who keeps just trying to show everyone what a great guy he is and gradually cracks when it becomes clear virtually no one shares his opinion about himself.
The original Mondassian Cybermen from Doctor Who, which simply want to save their planet and offer the humans on Earth a life free of pain, troublesome emotion, and mortality and simply don't understand why such a great gift keeps getting rejected.
King Haggard from the Last Unicorn is a selfish, uncaring, kidnapping tyrant... who takes the unicorns because in his miserable existence, they are the only things that can bring him even a touch of happiness. Cactus Jack's anti-hardcore run in ECW might be the only heel turn/run driven by a compassionate desire to not see other wrestler's suffer needlessly.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 18, 2015 18:05:57 GMT -5
Predator
He just wants to collect heads, but only from challenging opponents
Unarmed people, pregnant women and kids with toy guns need not apply.
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Post by BRV on Feb 18, 2015 18:16:50 GMT -5
Tony Perkis in "Heavyweights". Yeah, he's doing it for personal gain, but at the same time he's getting kids into shape.
And on top of it, he's not being an outright thief like the Jerry Stiller character, who basically steals the parents' money under the guise of making their children healthy, then swindling them by allowing the kids to sneak junk food and not do any sort of exerting physical exercise.
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Post by Cela on Feb 18, 2015 18:45:13 GMT -5
Tony Perkis in "Heavyweights". Yeah, he's doing it for personal gain, but at the same time he's getting kids into shape. And on top of it, he's not being an outright thief like the Jerry Stiller character, who basically steals the parents' money under the guise of making their children healthy, then swindling them by allowing the kids to sneak junk food and not do any sort of exerting physical exercise. I hated those kids so much. Team Tony.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 18, 2015 19:03:23 GMT -5
Tony Perkis in "Heavyweights". Yeah, he's doing it for personal gain, but at the same time he's getting kids into shape. And on top of it, he's not being an outright thief like the Jerry Stiller character, who basically steals the parents' money under the guise of making their children healthy, then swindling them by allowing the kids to sneak junk food and not do any sort of exerting physical exercise. I hated those kids so much. Team Tony. What was there to hate? The kids essentially went from being stuck at a bad fat camp to being stuck in a sub-North Korean prison camp.
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Post by Cela on Feb 18, 2015 19:33:56 GMT -5
I hated those kids so much. Team Tony. What was there to hate? The kids essentially went from being stuck at a bad fat camp to being stuck in a sub-North Korean prison camp. Complete refusal to even try to get healthier. Then that weird tacked on ending.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 0:09:33 GMT -5
I hated those kids so much. Team Tony. What was there to hate? The kids essentially went from being stuck at a bad fat camp to being stuck in a sub-North Korean prison camp. Those kids were assholes, they locked Stiller in an electric cage that was like 6 feet by 3. Plus is wanting to improve the health of children that evil?
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Feb 19, 2015 0:16:59 GMT -5
M. Bison. World peace? Global unity? What's not to like? Pax Bisonica all the way!
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 19, 2015 0:23:34 GMT -5
Walter Peck in Ghostbusters
The EPA was justified in being concerned about the containment thing, especially in the middle of a huge city with millions of people. By Ray's own admission, the proton packs alone were nuclear accelerators. Peck even tried to be polite, but Peter acted like a wiseass. He was wrong to shut it down while ignoring warnings, but that only happened after they antagonised the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 2:23:34 GMT -5
Mr House in Fallout New Vegas: the fact that he had thought of this plan 200 years in advance is pretty amazing.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 19, 2015 3:31:11 GMT -5
Since Fallout: New Vegas has been mentioned, I'll throw in Edgar Ross in Red Dead Redemption. He used a thief, murderer, and outlaw to hunt down worse thieves, murderers, and outlaws. Obviously one can point to John Marston being somewhat repentant for his crimes, but he made no attempt to atone for them until he was forced to.
While Ross was morally dubious in his methods (kidnapping Marston's family to ensure co-operation, and then turning the army on him when the task was complete), you can't fault his desire to uphold justice.
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Post by Hit Girl on Feb 19, 2015 6:11:51 GMT -5
Lord Percival Graves in King Ralph
He was right. There's no way in hell a blue collar American slob would have been qualified or accepted as the British monarch.
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