King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 4, 2015 22:37:52 GMT -5
yay cody!
also, Bryan with that haircut minus the beard would be really f***ing cute.
the accuracy of that video with McMahon not knowing good ideas from bad ones, and Ziggler's comments about organic vs. forced showing Bryan and Reigns was great.
Very well done.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 4, 2015 23:12:34 GMT -5
That long post about wrestling being an old time act that has struggled into this century concerns me with it's likely accuracy. I love wrestling and have done all of my 29 years and 11 months on earth. I hope any kids I'm unfortunate enough to have some day have wrestling to watch. The convincing idea that WWE is the last major base for wrestling and, realistically it could go any time depresses me. It would leave a huge hole in my life. Heh, huge hole. It's something Jim Cornette talks about a lot, and while Corny is clearly stuck in the 70s and 80s in a lot of his thinking, there's no denying that the industry, as a whole, is nowhere near as healthy as it was back in those days. It may have been harder to become a millionaire in the industry back then, but it was definitely easier to at least make a living, and to have a longer career given the ability to travel between territories and the lack of mandated 300+ day road schedules. Not to totally praise the territories, mind you; many of them were run by would-be mafiosos who would blacklist you in an instant and who would gladly run you into the ground for a quick buck. But, nevertheless, it was still a healthier industry, with more available jobs and more available options to people who wanted to break in. WWE makes the industry seem bigger than ever today because it has concentrated so much of the wealth and power and put it into putting on a polished, up-to-date looking presentation, but yeah, we're down to about 4 million regular pro wrestling viewers in the US, unless you believe all the people watching ROH, Lucha Underground, NJPW on Axs, and Impact are all distinct audiences from the people who watch Raw (I'm sure there's some, but not a ton), with no company besides WWE being able to do more than fill up around a 1,000 seat venue for a big card, maybe 2,000 if it's something like ROH during a WrestleMania weekend.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 4, 2015 23:48:05 GMT -5
That long post about wrestling being an old time act that has struggled into this century concerns me with it's likely accuracy. I love wrestling and have done all of my 29 years and 11 months on earth. I hope any kids I'm unfortunate enough to have some day have wrestling to watch. The convincing idea that WWE is the last major base for wrestling and, realistically it could go any time depresses me. It would leave a huge hole in my life. Heh, huge hole. It's something Jim Cornette talks about a lot, and while Corny is clearly stuck in the 70s and 80s in a lot of his thinking, there's no denying that the industry, as a whole, is nowhere near as healthy as it was back in those days. It may have been harder to become a millionaire in the industry back then, but it was definitely easier to at least make a living, and to have a longer career given the ability to travel between territories and the lack of mandated 300+ day road schedules. Not to totally praise the territories, mind you; many of them were run by would-be mafiosos who would blacklist you in an instant and who would gladly run you into the ground for a quick buck. But, nevertheless, it was still a healthier industry, with more available jobs and more available options to people who wanted to break in. WWE makes the industry seem bigger than ever today because it has concentrated so much of the wealth and power and put it into putting on a polished, up-to-date looking presentation, but yeah, we're down to about 4 million regular pro wrestling viewers in the US, unless you believe all the people watching ROH, Lucha Underground, NJPW on Axs, and Impact are all distinct audiences from the people who watch Raw (I'm sure there's some, but not a ton), with no company besides WWE being able to do more than fill up around a 1,000 seat venue for a big card, maybe 2,000 if it's something like ROH during a WrestleMania weekend. It's a really weird thing though because while WWE deserves a fair share of the blame, wrestling in general doesn't really fit in with other forms of entertainment these days in the sense that I don't really know what the core audience is anymore. I mean, how would you describe wrestling to a person who doesn't watch it in a way that would make them want to watch? It's such a hard thing to sell people on when there's far easier ways to get drama, comedy, action, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 0:03:51 GMT -5
WWE won't die. Its assets are too profitable. Like Star Wars and Marvel, it will eventually end up in the hands of someone who knows what to do with it and will print money.
Even so, this is eerily accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 0:09:09 GMT -5
I mean, how would you describe wrestling to a person who doesn't watch it in a way that would make them want to watch? It's such a hard thing to sell people on when there's far easier ways to get drama, comedy, action, etc. Live, theatrical hand-to-hand battles with a hint of superhuman ability performed by super-athletic, over-the-top characters? Maybe that's what they should be focusing on, at least.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 5, 2015 0:31:47 GMT -5
I mean, how would you describe wrestling to a person who doesn't watch it in a way that would make them want to watch? It's such a hard thing to sell people on when there's far easier ways to get drama, comedy, action, etc. Live, theatrical hand-to-hand battles with a hint of superhuman ability performed by super-athletic, over-the-top characters? Maybe that's what they should be focusing on, at least. To again go back to the Cornette point, I do see the trouble, though; WCW and WWF killed kayfabe dead (it was dying already, granted) in a desperate roll of the dice to win the Monday Night War, and the landscape left behind by that, along with the rise of UFC, has meant that pro wrestling is a much harder sell than it was back in the day, especially when modern companies continue to constantly lean against the fourth wall. Mainstream US pro wrestling needs to rebrand and reinvigorate itself. I think promotions like ROH have done a solid job of it over the years: you emphasize "look at these guys who do amazing things that none of us are capable of", you emphasize telling stories and building characters through the in-ring actions and mannerisms, and you at least try to take your presentation seriously...not in the sense of removing all humor, but more that you want fans to feel sold on big money matches, angles, and feuds. In a lot of ways it's a harkening back to the old school style, but with new school trappings/moves and a shift away from "sell it as 100% legit" and toward "do everything you can to get the audience to suspend their disbelief". Too often, the companies that try to go mainstream sell us on winking and nudging us like a Monty Python sketch to say "Hey, it's not like this is TOTALLY FAKE AND SCRIPTED, am I right, guys?!" while putting a finger up to their nose.
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kidglov3s
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 5, 2015 0:55:39 GMT -5
Too often, the companies that try to go mainstream sell us on winking and nudging us like a Monty Python sketch to say "Hey, it's not like this is TOTALLY FAKE AND SCRIPTED, am I right, guys?!" while putting a finger up to their nose. Yknow that was why I couldn't get into Dolph at all in 2011-2013, with his #heel, lol isn't it hilarious I'm pretending to wrestle antics.
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Post by Crimson on Mar 5, 2015 7:21:49 GMT -5
Just like WCW, WWE won't die just because of some bad angles or booking. It'll be when someone who's not a McMahon deems it unprofitable in a major way and flat out pulls the plug or they lose some massive lawsuits that have investors pulling out like a horny kid on prom night Daniel Bryan on Date Night. That was a good video though. Fixed.
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Post by toodarkmark on Mar 5, 2015 8:22:37 GMT -5
Although I agree with video, it won't die because there isn't a rival promotion actively using all of its resources to destroy it. Additionally, there is no booker who has come in from the rival promotion booking it into the ground. Finally, there is no one purchasing it's parent company and then cutting and slashing everything they did not care for.
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Post by joeiscool on Mar 5, 2015 11:47:06 GMT -5
It's not dying because it's profitable.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 5, 2015 14:27:14 GMT -5
It just becomes increasingly sad how they continue to mirror all the things they loved to bash the crap out of WCW for doing.
"WCW went out of business because they continued to book the same tired acts on top." "WCW wouldn't push new talent despite getting over with the crowd." "WCW would drop storylines and angles with no payoff." "WCW spent a bunch of money on celebrities who didn't boost ratings."
etc.
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Jeff Mangum PI
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Mar 5, 2015 17:40:03 GMT -5
The most I could ever see happening to WWE is HHH & Steph selling it to Warner Bros. or something after Vince passes away.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Mar 5, 2015 18:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 18:13:52 GMT -5
The most I could ever see happening to WWE is HHH & Steph selling it to Warner Bros. or something after Vince passes away. I can see media conglomerates chomping at the bit for WWE when Vince passes away.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 5, 2015 19:01:31 GMT -5
Of course WWE is not diying overnight.
But mistakes pile up if nothing is done,it is all a matter of the way they choose to go.And then overtime enough is enough,and they go losing what they have slowly.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 5, 2015 20:08:00 GMT -5
That was brilliantly edited. Kudos to whoever did it.
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