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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 5, 2015 11:11:53 GMT -5
I don't buy any of that.
And I'm not sure Nikki does either.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 5, 2015 11:15:32 GMT -5
Apparently toeing the company line in IS sexually transmitted.
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Post by Perd on Mar 5, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -5
Is that true about merchandise %? I didn't even think the men all had the same % rate. They f***ing don't, haha. No way on earth Ryback is making the same percentage as John Cena. I didn't think so. And yes, it's obviously a PR interview. Too bad WWE's idea of good PR is making one of their talents sound like a total f***ing idiot.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 5, 2015 11:20:39 GMT -5
“We’re all here because we’re living our dreams. Whether it’s two minutes or twenty minutes on TV, I’m beyond grateful for that" I checked out there. From what the Bellas have said in the past that's total BS. I don't know the purpose of this interview, but I really hope it's not a continuation of the endless Bellas/AJ 'they're shooting brother' feud. "Divas Champion Nikki Bella recently spoke to Mark Madden..." That's where I tapped out. Mark Madden is just the worst, and I'm certainly not just talking about his stint as a WCW commentator.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 5, 2015 11:23:06 GMT -5
Is that true about merchandise %? I didn't even think the men all had the same % rate. They f***ing don't, haha. No way on earth Ryback is making the same percentage as John Cena. Yup the % is something the wrestler negotiate in theie contracts.
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Post by Martin: #TeamBella Treasurer on Mar 5, 2015 12:09:12 GMT -5
They f***ing don't, haha. No way on earth Ryback is making the same percentage as John Cena. Yup the % is something the wrestler negotiate in theie contracts. Yeah, I imagine most do have a similar %, and it just depends on how much is actually sold, but don't go comparing your % to John Cena's. As soon as his contracts are up for renewal, and he sees how much cash his merch is bringing in, you know he is (and rightfully so) haggling for a higher share.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 5, 2015 12:10:55 GMT -5
I can't stand the goddamn Bellas.
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 5, 2015 12:13:43 GMT -5
Yep that's a PR interview, however maybe it will tie into a storyline.
AJ, Paige and Charlotte vs The Bellas and Steph at WM could be great.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 5, 2015 12:16:47 GMT -5
"Divas Champion Nikki Bella recently spoke to Mark Madden..." That's where I tapped out. Mark Madden is just the worst, and I'm certainly not just talking about his stint as a WCW commentator. Pretending that the knows jack shit about hockey is even worse. His bizarre hate-on for Evgeni Malkin...
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Post by sunnytaker on Mar 5, 2015 12:20:07 GMT -5
Is that true about merchandise %? I didn't even think the men all had the same % rate. They f***ing don't, haha. No way on earth Ryback is making the same percentage as John Cena. even if they did that doesn;t touch (though you can look) the idea that Ryback could be making 50k a year plus his, say, 1% of merch vs random diva making 30k a year plus "the same" 1% of less merch. yeah both may get their 1% but the guy is starting out with an extra 20k in his pocket right off the bat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 12:28:01 GMT -5
She had me until she pretended like that tag match was done on purpose. They didn't have 3 minutes, they didn't even have 1 minute, there's nothing to put their heads together about. If we're padding time with entrances technically they had like 10 minutes if we're counting the time Paige had to watch a Sting montage.
But the truth is on the pay discussion they really are getting paid for what WWE deemed their purpose to be. They're the bathroom break, they aren't equals and it has less to do with gender and more just what their intended roles are. Not that I agree that should be what their role is, but that is what their role is.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 5, 2015 12:28:33 GMT -5
God bless Nikki but...wow, what a load of shit. It's impossible to tell a good story in 30 seconds. I'm sorry but it f***ing is. You can keep telling yourself that you did a great job out there and that you got a ton of heat if that's what helps you sleep at night but it's not true. Shout out to her for understanding that telling a story is more important than MOVES~! but that argument doesn't work here. It's not like the Bellas are a hotter act because of that 30 second match. If anything, it buried the shit out of Paige and (especially) Emma. "Sell more merch if you wanna be like the guys" HOW? How the f*** could you possibly sell more merch if you don't get any time to develop your character? Or if the company clearly has no interest into putting any kind of effort or thought into your matches as shown by the 30 second incident? Also, how convenient that Nikki says this while she just so happens to be banging the top merch seller in the company. Kinda distorts your perspective a bit when you could get fired today and still be financially well-off as if nothing ever happened, doesn't it? "Cause that’s what the boys do, and that’s what we need to do.” Well, guess what? The boys actually get more than 30 f***ing seconds, Nikki. It's kinda sad, honestly. It reads like "well, I'm a WWE diva. Better know my place..." She's more than welcome to her opinion but she's speaking from a place of privilege here. She's in a better situation than every other diva but AJ, no shit she'd be like, "really, it's not so bad guys!" The problem is that the big issue was in timing, not in the story of the match. As far as the match in question? The match that led to the controversy- in a vacuum- DID tell a decent enough story for a 30 second match. Ignore the #GiveDivasAChance controversy past the 30 second match for one second and see it as something completely separated from this, distinct, match, and the storyline for the last two weeks was simple: -Paige proved herself to be a worthy adversary to the Bellas. Emma, on the other hand, was a far weaker opponent. Since the Bellas are evil and are ducking Paige, they made sure to play keepaway to get her out of the match and face the weaker Emma- someone they knew they could pick on and defeat without a problem. They did exactly that. Out of anger for this, Paige fought back by getting someone who she knew was her equal and would be able to take out the Bellas- the returning AJ Lee. It's not Shakespeare, but as far as a storyline goes- it's not like it's exactly a bad storyline. It's not degrading to the performers, it's not WrestleCrap...it's just a perfectly acceptable, basic storyline to build to a match (and given how a lot of other Divas' storylines can be, "basic, wrestling 101 that isn't insulting to the fans' intelligence" isn't a bad move.) You can tell a great storyline in a short amount of time- if you make sure to do it (heck, the biggest storyline of the last decade and the last time a guy truly became THE MAN in pro wrestling can be traced back to one 18 second squash match.) It's just that the story that the fans are angry about here had nothing to do with the match in question.
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Post by Perd on Mar 5, 2015 12:32:15 GMT -5
They f***ing don't, haha. No way on earth Ryback is making the same percentage as John Cena. even if they did that doesn;t touch (though you can look) the idea that Ryback could be making 50k a year plus his, say, 1% of merch vs random diva making 30k a year plus "the same" 1% of less merch. yeah both may get their 1% but the guy is starting out with an extra 20k in his pocket right off the bat. And in AJ's case, wouldn't she have more of a gripe than the other Divas? She has a lot of merch, WWE isn't having that stuff produced just because. They're having it produced because it sells. If she had to settle for a lower percentage, because she's a woman, then she has every right to be pissed. And I don't know if that's the case. But if it was...
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 5, 2015 12:56:34 GMT -5
even if they did that doesn;t touch (though you can look) the idea that Ryback could be making 50k a year plus his, say, 1% of merch vs random diva making 30k a year plus "the same" 1% of less merch. yeah both may get their 1% but the guy is starting out with an extra 20k in his pocket right off the bat. And in AJ's case, wouldn't she have more of a gripe than the other Divas? She has a lot of merch, WWE isn't having that stuff produced just because. They're having it produced because it sells. If she had to settle for a lower percentage, because she's a woman, then she has every right to be pissed. And I don't know if that's the case. But if it was... AJ's pretty much the only diva who has any right to claim she sells a lot of merchandise, because she does. If anything, she alone should deserve the same amount of money based on that and not the divas division as a whole. And while everyone's saying the Bellas are full of shit here, they're right about one thing, and that's that no one goes to Raw/SD specifically to see the divas. People can say "Well I mean if they're booked better" and yada yada yada, but in the context of what WWE is now, no one's paying just to watch divas. Hence why they won't be equals any time soon in terms of screen time and pay, because they aren't equal in terms of what they bring to the show.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 5, 2015 13:02:22 GMT -5
And in AJ's case, wouldn't she have more of a gripe than the other Divas? She has a lot of merch, WWE isn't having that stuff produced just because. They're having it produced because it sells. If she had to settle for a lower percentage, because she's a woman, then she has every right to be pissed. And I don't know if that's the case. But if it was... AJ's pretty much the only diva who has any right to claim she sells a lot of merchandise, because she does. If anything, she alone should deserve the same amount of money based on that and not the divas division as a whole. And while everyone's saying the Bellas are full of shit here, they're right about one thing, and that's that no one goes to Raw/SD specifically to see the divas. People can say "Well I mean if they're booked better" and yada yada yada, but in the context of what WWE is now, no one's paying just to watch divas. Hence why they won't be equals any time soon in terms of screen time and pay, because they aren't equal in terms of what they bring to the show. I understand that, but like many of the men, they're not booked to be draws. WWE is essentially blaming the lower card for how they book things. Could Cena have been a draw without WWE's support? Probably not.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 5, 2015 13:02:24 GMT -5
Not surprised Nikki Bella had that interview instead of AJ.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 5, 2015 13:04:42 GMT -5
AJ's pretty much the only diva who has any right to claim she sells a lot of merchandise, because she does. If anything, she alone should deserve the same amount of money based on that and not the divas division as a whole. And while everyone's saying the Bellas are full of shit here, they're right about one thing, and that's that no one goes to Raw/SD specifically to see the divas. People can say "Well I mean if they're booked better" and yada yada yada, but in the context of what WWE is now, no one's paying just to watch divas. Hence why they won't be equals any time soon in terms of screen time and pay, because they aren't equal in terms of what they bring to the show. I understand that, but like many of the men, they're not booked to be draws. WWE is essentially blaming the lower card for how they book things. Could Cena have been a draw without WWE's support? Probably not. No but I don't recall the divas ever being major draws, even when they were booked well. The only time I remember them being a big deal was when they were getting naked every other week. Hence why people will always remember Sunny and Sable, but someone like Ivory a lot of people who haven't watched in years may not remember at all.
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Post by Abdullah on Mar 5, 2015 13:11:22 GMT -5
I understand that, but like many of the men, they're not booked to be draws. WWE is essentially blaming the lower card for how they book things. Could Cena have been a draw without WWE's support? Probably not. No but I don't recall the divas ever being major draws, even when they were booked well. The only time I remember them being a big deal was when they were getting naked every other week. Hence why people will always remember Sunny and Sable, but someone like Ivory a lot of people who haven't watched in years may not remember at all. We're not going to get anywhere since you pulled the 'get naked' card but suffice to say I think the divas can draw and it's a silly argument anyway. The WWE banner in general draws. The experience draws. But short of a survey, there is no almost no way of knowing who the fans are excited to see when they pay for seats. Except crowd pops and merch sales. Since the divas check both of those boxes, I think it's fair to say that they are an asset.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 5, 2015 13:19:33 GMT -5
No but I don't recall the divas ever being major draws, even when they were booked well. The only time I remember them being a big deal was when they were getting naked every other week. Hence why people will always remember Sunny and Sable, but someone like Ivory a lot of people who haven't watched in years may not remember at all. We're not going to get anywhere since you pulled the 'get naked' card but suffice to say I think the divas can draw and it's a silly argument anyway. The WWE banner in general draws. The experience draws. But short of a survey, there is no almost no way of knowing who the fans are excited to see when they pay for seats. Except crowd pops and merch sales. Since the divas check both of those boxes, I think it's fair to say that they are an asset. Where are these big crowd pops and merch sales the divas are getting? Meltzer said that AJ's pretty much the only diva who sells a distinguishable amount of merchandise, and the reaction to the divas is always a mixed bag. Hell, I remember Stephanie at times getting a bigger pop than Brie did during their summer feud, and she was the biggest bitch on the planet during that time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:20:38 GMT -5
I wonder if Nikki and Brie get paid the same amount as each other. Brie:"What'd you get for Fast Lane?" Nikki: "I got sixty grand." Brie: "T-Tell me you're f***ing lying, Nikki." Nikki: "I got sixty grand." Brie: "I got f***ing forty five. I worked the whole f***ing match and you came in for the pin and you got more?" F*** this. Boom, bam. "Corrano, what the f*** was Nikki's payoff?" Corrano: "Uhh, hold on a second, hon. Vince, they're f***ing talking!" Vince: "Brie Mode! Oh yeah I'll look into that and get back with ya! Oh yeah, accounting error!
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