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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 7, 2015 4:22:38 GMT -5
I really can't say that I'm surprised that some of HHH's worst character traits have rubbed off on Stephanie as like her hubby she has make to known how much better she is than her female counterparts,that she won't show any signs of vulnerability and weakness and she has to be the alpha female at all times etc.
Which is stupid when consider how despite how egotistical her father can be, Vince knows that he needs to get his comeuppance in the most humiliating way possible and has no problems do it.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 7, 2015 6:07:00 GMT -5
I'm a fan of TV Stephanie and have been for pretty much her whole career. But as a woman, a "strong female role model" she is not.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 7, 2015 7:49:15 GMT -5
I go back to monday with the whole Cena calling her out thing. She retort with the "females in power" thing but despite Cena own hypocrisies, he's right. He should have said: "No Steph, you are acting like an entitled bitch, like ALWAYS. Anybody, male OR female, strong or not, would see you change rules for the Authority to fit you idiots idea for what's Best for business."
But no, Steph has to look above everyone. At least HHH has his moments when he looks like a fool.
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Post by Dang! on Mar 7, 2015 8:06:44 GMT -5
She should just disappear forever.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 7, 2015 9:38:10 GMT -5
It's too bad; by all accounts she can be one of the top heels on the show, but her insistence on pulling a Triple H (being the biggest, baddest person in the room and almost never getting comeuppance, at least nothing that lasts) totally hampers that. It didn't really help that in her match with Brie, it was clear she COULD probably kick most of their asses. Kind of made for a different dynamic than when she was smaller and needed D-X to do her dirty work. This is really even the worst part for Stephanie being a Villain Sue- it's gone past "she never gets her comeuppance" and into "She is the one person on WWE television who literally CANNOT get her comeuppance." This week alone has proven the biggest fact: Between the controversy inherent in the style and the immediate controversy of the situation in Beyond Wrestling, every fan knows that there is never going to be any intergender matches in the WWE for a very long time, if ever again. The only problem is- Stephanie McMahon doesn't just browbeat the female faces- or even the top female heels to show who the woman in charge is...she also browbeats all the MEN in the company the same way, both heel (like Seth Rollins) and face (like John Cena). This is an inherent problem, as by doing that- not only is Stephanie more powerful than them, but it makes it such so that Stephanie can literally NEVER get her comeuppance. The men in the WWE can- and will- never lay a hand on Stephanie, and we inherently know this. At the same time, if Stephanie McMahon is so powerful that she can leave John Cena defenseless and cowering before her might, even if AJ or Paige were to beat Stephanie McMahon in the ring, clean as a sheet, leaving her dead to rights, then Stephanie is powerful enough that even the top Divas in the company defeating her and giving her that comeuppance are so far beneath her that it wouldn't even be satisfying, or anything less than a Squirrel Girl-level "it's not even a fluke she beat Stephanie- this is just a flat-out comedy segment. See, it's funny because STEPHANIE MCMAHON lost cleanly to her!" match.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 7, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -5
As the child of HHH and Steph, I guess Aurora Rose will be like Mary Sue Prime when she shows up in the WWE
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 7, 2015 10:12:28 GMT -5
Would she technically be an author avatar sue (if we're getting into the specifics of what kind of Mary Sue she is)? an Author Avatar is a bit different from a Mary Sue. Stephanie McMahon is the latter. Author Avatars tend to have believable flaws and don't always win at everything. they're also not always the main character.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Mar 7, 2015 10:25:38 GMT -5
I'm not sold on that but I agree that the Authority never getting a comeuppance is a detriment. Austin always got one over on McMahon, except for when he didn't. And even then he'd do so the next week. What made the New World Order angle a chore to watch initially was the fact that the nWo always won and never got their comeuppance... until Sting showed up and started doing his crow thing. In essence, boring invincible villains just make the show a bore to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 10:29:51 GMT -5
My top issue with Stephanie is the fact that she still opts for burial-style promos where she goes on and on about how her opponents or adversaries are complete nobodies.
Well, if you beat them, guess what? You beat a nobody. Why would anybody care about that match?
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 7, 2015 12:55:42 GMT -5
Even when she gets humiliated (slopped by Vickie, arrested for attacking Brie Bella, throwing a fit when Sting showed up to help Team Cena), she still finds a way to bounce back. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Exactly like Vince did, because they don't consider themselves done with the character. Exactly like almost all heels do. If you're not being written off TV, then you bounce back.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 7, 2015 14:18:34 GMT -5
My attitude toward Steph is the same as my attitude toward her husband, it's easy to get booed if you say mean things and always evade your comeuppance, but it takes more than that to be a good heel. You need to make the face look good and persuade the audience to want to pay to see you be defeated which neither of them does. They've sidestepped their comeuppance and shrugged off defeat after defeat, making the majority of people they've encountered look bad along the way, face or heel so the audience no longer believes that beating them will mean a thing.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 7, 2015 14:23:25 GMT -5
Both Steph and HHH never allow themselves to show weakness.
Vince was completely different. He had no problems getting his comeuppance, often in hilariously humiliating ways.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Mar 7, 2015 14:35:50 GMT -5
Even when she gets humiliated (slopped by Vickie, arrested for attacking Brie Bella, throwing a fit when Sting showed up to help Team Cena), she still finds a way to bounce back. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) Exactly like Vince did, because they don't consider themselves done with the character. Exactly like almost all heels do. If you're not being written off TV, then you bounce back. No Vince didn't bounce back. He came back. He shambled back. He crawled back. But each time he wasn't the same guy. His humiliations and defeats affected him. He took them personally. They made him more delusional or paranoid or angry. They motivated him. Vince laughed at Mick Foley until he had to take him seriously. The authority is still laughing at Dolph and Daniel and Cena and anyone else that "overcame" them. Steph and Trips are always smarmy, above comeuppance, and able to joke at anyone's expense.
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