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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 19:56:09 GMT -5
I understand people aren't fond of Jarrett but what people tend to overlook is the fact that Jarrett was TNA's only really big reliable star for the first 3-4 years of TNA's existence. He was a guy with popularity and talent that the people in charge knew would always get heat and would always be there when he was needed. As soon as TNA got on it's feet and managed to land Christian, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner and Sting all in the span of about 12 months Jarrett quickly took the back seat and was semi regular for the rest of his run in TNA giving the top spot to Angle and letting him carry the company on his back. So whilst I understand the frustration I don't think Jarrett's title runs were arrogance it was moreso the fact that every other heel TNA had was getting cheered and that Jarrett was reliable. I can't hate the man for being there when his company needed a reliable star on top. Honestly when me and my friends first heard of TNA all I heard about the company was a bunch of WWE rejects or ripoffs. I also heard great buzz about AJ Styles and their X Division which lead me to checking out their matches and that made me a TNA fan. I f***ing hated Jeff Jarretts long ass title reigns. I especially hated the one where he nearly held it for a year. It was especially miserable because the world champions at the time was HHH, Jarrett, and JBL in near year long never ending title reign bullshit. I did not know one person who liked Jarrett or was interested in TNA because of Jeff Jarrett
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Mar 9, 2015 19:59:06 GMT -5
I understand people aren't fond of Jarrett but what people tend to overlook is the fact that Jarrett was TNA's only really big reliable star for the first 3-4 years of TNA's existence. He was a guy with popularity and talent that the people in charge knew would always get heat and would always be there when he was needed. As soon as TNA got on it's feet and managed to land Christian, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner and Sting all in the span of about 12 months Jarrett quickly took the back seat and was semi regular for the rest of his run in TNA giving the top spot to Angle and letting him carry the company on his back. So whilst I understand the frustration I don't think Jarrett's title runs were arrogance it was moreso the fact that every other heel TNA had was getting cheered and that Jarrett was reliable. I can't hate the man for being there when his company needed a reliable star on top. Honestly when me and my friends first heard of TNA all I heard about the company was a bunch of WWE rejects or ripoffs. I also heard great buzz about AJ Styles and their X Division which lead me to checking out their matches and that made me a TNA fan. I f***ing hated Jeff Jarretts long ass title reigns. I especially hated the one where he nearly held it for a year. It was especially miserable because the world champions at the time was HHH, Jarrett, and JBL in near year long never ending title reign bullshit. I did not know one person who liked Jarrett or was interested in TNA because of Jeff Jarrett I became a fan of TNA when I saw a TNA music video and him, Raven, Sabu and Rhino were the only guys I recognized in the video. Jeff Jarrett made me a TNA fan.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 20:13:33 GMT -5
Honestly when me and my friends first heard of TNA all I heard about the company was a bunch of WWE rejects or ripoffs. I also heard great buzz about AJ Styles and their X Division which lead me to checking out their matches and that made me a TNA fan. I f***ing hated Jeff Jarretts long ass title reigns. I especially hated the one where he nearly held it for a year. It was especially miserable because the world champions at the time was HHH, Jarrett, and JBL in near year long never ending title reign bullshit. I did not know one person who liked Jarrett or was interested in TNA because of Jeff Jarrett I became a fan of TNA when I saw a TNA music video and him, Raven, Sabu and Rhino were the only guys I recognized in the video. Jeff Jarrett made me a TNA fan. Everyone's different I guess.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 9, 2015 20:16:42 GMT -5
Jarrett wasn't as bad as when Triple H was on top in that while he may have been booked too strong, he never outright hurt the guys he was working with. The Monty Brown thing is probably the exception to that, but it was more the ill-advised heel turn that hurt him than failing to win the belt. You must have forgot how indestructible Jarrett booked himself to be. He would constantly kick out of several finishers a match and win with ONE stroke or Guitar shot. That is pretty damned damaging to people.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Mar 9, 2015 20:23:21 GMT -5
Jarrett is a forever midcard to me, and that'll never change.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 9, 2015 20:30:18 GMT -5
If Jarrett had kept the hat, glasses, strutting and general attitude from his old character and combined that with his King Of The Mountain thing, then he would have had a main event worthy character.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 9, 2015 20:52:22 GMT -5
Jarrett wasn't as bad as when Triple H was on top in that while he may have been booked too strong, he never outright hurt the guys he was working with. The Monty Brown thing is probably the exception to that, but it was more the ill-advised heel turn that hurt him than failing to win the belt. You must have forgot how indestructible Jarrett booked himself to be. He would constantly kick out of several finishers a match and win with ONE stroke or Guitar shot. That is pretty damned damaging to people. So typical main event heel stuff accounts to burying? Remember how getting hit with a Pedigree was akin to getting slapped in the face with a neutron bomb, or the sledgehammer bunts of DOOM? At least Jarrett never verbally buried his opponents like ol' big nose did, and he usually finished guys off with heaps of interference and weapon aids. Outside of his weird 2003 face run, he was never built as a world beater who could outmatch his opponents. Yeah, he was protected, but what world champion isn't?
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Post by Chuck Conry on Mar 9, 2015 21:33:27 GMT -5
There is surely more examples, but I recall a time he should have dropped it to a white hot Raven and didn't. Then he did the same with Brown. I can't wait until GFW starts and he pulls the same stuff there.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Mar 10, 2015 0:41:26 GMT -5
I understand people aren't fond of Jarrett but what people tend to overlook is the fact that Jarrett was TNA's only really big reliable star for the first 3-4 years of TNA's existence. He was a guy with popularity and talent that the people in charge knew would always get heat and would always be there when he was needed. As soon as TNA got on it's feet and managed to land Christian, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner and Sting all in the span of about 12 months Jarrett quickly took the back seat and was semi regular for the rest of his run in TNA giving the top spot to Angle and letting him carry the company on his back. So whilst I understand the frustration I don't think Jarrett's title runs were arrogance it was moreso the fact that every other heel TNA had was getting cheered and that Jarrett was reliable. I can't hate the man for being there when his company needed a reliable star on top. Having "drop the title chants" isn't what I call getting the right kind of heat. They could still had Jarrett in a ME role but nothing wrong with giving Brown who was WAY over as a face before they turned him for no reason. This is what you do to make you brand different and is how you make yourself fresh stars and doesn't make you look like the WWE lite, the new WCW as they gotten label as for years.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 10, 2015 2:08:16 GMT -5
I feel they missed a huge chance with Raven in 2003. He should have been the guy that beat Jarrett for the title and had a long reign. Instead, Jarrett had to overcome the odds and defeat about 9 other people, handcuffs and steel chair shots all in the same match. Raven was never the same after that match. The saddest part was that Raven drew their biggest house for that time, Don West claims that the asylum used to draw only a couple hundred people, but Raven actually drew a line that extended a lot of blocks, about more than a thousand people. Instead of keeping that momentum Jarrett killed it. My favorite part was after the pinfall where a fan rips up his sign and throws it at Jeff.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Mar 10, 2015 2:14:40 GMT -5
I feel they missed a huge chance with Raven in 2003. He should have been the guy that beat Jarrett for the title and had a long reign. Instead, Jarrett had to overcome the odds and defeat about 9 other people, handcuffs and steel chair shots all in the same match. Raven was never the same after that match. The saddest part was that Raven drew their biggest house for that time, Don West claims that the asylum used to draw only a couple hundred people, but Raven actually drew a line that extended a lot of blocks, about more than a thousand people. Instead of keeping that momentum Jarrett killed it. My favorite part was after the pinfall where a fan rips up his sign and throws it at Jeff. And Jarrett was meant to be the face at the time, something he's never been good at. At least with HHH in 2003 he was a heel who used every dastardly measure possible to retain his title. Jarrett was a face that overcame odds that even John Cena couldn't fathom.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 10, 2015 2:25:28 GMT -5
The saddest part was that Raven drew their biggest house for that time, Don West claims that the asylum used to draw only a couple hundred people, but Raven actually drew a line that extended a lot of blocks, about more than a thousand people. Instead of keeping that momentum Jarrett killed it. My favorite part was after the pinfall where a fan rips up his sign and throws it at Jeff. And Jarrett was meant to be the face at the time, something he's never been good at. At least with HHH in 2003 he was a heel who used every dastardly measure possible to retain his title. Jarrett was a face that overcame odds that even John Cena couldn't fathom. Yeah the sad part about Jarrett is that he was the owner and was booking himself that way, he wanted to be champion instead of having his company drawing money with a more capable guy as its main eventer.
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Post by Chip Chipperson on Mar 10, 2015 2:59:40 GMT -5
And Jarrett was meant to be the face at the time, something he's never been good at. At least with HHH in 2003 he was a heel who used every dastardly measure possible to retain his title. Jarrett was a face that overcame odds that even John Cena couldn't fathom. Yeah the sad part about Jarrett is that he was the owner and was booking himself that way, he wanted to be champion instead of having his company drawing money with a more capable guy as its main eventer. Apart from Raven who do you think realistically could have been TNA Champion in that era who wasn't?
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Post by lionheart21 on Mar 10, 2015 9:10:25 GMT -5
After doing some research, I'm gonna agree with the belief that Jarrett was worse than HHH.
Triple H: 8 WWE title reigns: 539 days 5 World Heavyweight title reigns: 616 days Longest single reign: 280 days 1155 days
Jeff Jarrett: 6 NWA title reigns: 1,006 days Longest single reign: 305 days
Triple H has held the World title more than twice as many times as Jarrett, yet Jarrett nearly has the same overall length of time as champ.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Mar 10, 2015 10:31:50 GMT -5
There were multiple talents that Jarrett held down or yanked the rug out from under during this time.
Hell, AJ Styles, allegedly Jarrett's boy, even got messed with by him. He'd get the title, only to quickly have it given right back to Jarrett. At least Triple H had the courtesy to let Batista have the belt for a while.
And, while I know alot of people can only remember him as he is seen now, a goofball, R Truth legitimately came into TNA and was getting alot of hype & praise by various places for his matches there. He wasn't an AJ Styles, but it was clear WWE had wasted him and had made a mistake by never using him to his full potential. People were clamoring for him to take the title and get a legitimate run with it. Yet again, won it and then almost immediately dropped it back to Jarrett.
Brown, Raven, Abyss, Harris, Rhino (later on), the list goes on of talents they had that they could've used and could've built during that time in a more genuine way to build stars. But instead it all had to be about Jarrett.
Hell, during the early days of TNA they had Steve Corino in there too and did nothing with him. While he's not for everybody, he could've easily been molded into at least an upper carder for them.
And, don't get me wrong, I see the logic in having Jarrett around the main event scene at the time. But that's why you book him like a Terry Funk, and not a Triple H. You give him the title, yes, but you give him modest runs with the title that's end game is meant to put over the talent he's dropping it to. The whole point should be to build guys up to at least his level.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Mar 10, 2015 10:41:09 GMT -5
Yeah the sad part about Jarrett is that he was the owner and was booking himself that way, he wanted to be champion instead of having his company drawing money with a more capable guy as its main eventer. Apart from Raven who do you think realistically could have been TNA Champion in that era who wasn't? It's a tough question, because during 2003 the only one who proved that he could draw was Raven, the other guys weren't ready yet, so Jarrett was the champion by default. I want to say that they should've given AJ a push but he was involved on the stupid SEX storyline as a heel. But during 05-06 there's no excuse for not giving the belt to the Alpha Male, worst than that Jarrett killed his push by turning him heel
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 15, 2015 18:15:35 GMT -5
I will never ever ever like Jarrett. At least HHH wasn't running the place and booking himself in a delusional fashion. Emphasis on running the place and booking himself.
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