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Post by MolotovMocktail on Dec 30, 2015 20:37:31 GMT -5
Patrick Kane should be this, but instead he's being touted as the MVP of the league so far. From what I read, his accuser's case was Swiss cheese, including no physical evidence to suggest she was raped. Hulk Hogan may be put in here. Even if he is featured in WWE again, a lot of conversations about him will end with "yeah, but he's a racist."
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 31, 2015 0:45:16 GMT -5
He does have people defending his point of view though, and he's said female stars have told him that news sites have been trying to slip them upwards of 20k to make shit up. That's possible, but what he's accused of doing, along with the number of accusers, should be enough that nobody will work with him. If studios can't get people to work with him, he's done. Christian XXX has had a hard time getting some work all for totally legal, understandable and financially prudent decisions earlier in his career. If that's happening to him and nobody actually got hurt, then Deen is done. On the subject of adult entertainers, I don't think Mr. Marcus will be getting any work when he gets out of prison.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Dec 31, 2015 0:58:56 GMT -5
Mel Gibson?!?!?!
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Dec 31, 2015 1:10:11 GMT -5
What in the world are you talking about? Michael is on record numerous times in interviews, private conversations, and leaked recordings that he wasn't a homosexual and was always uncomfortable when one approached him. Madonna attempted to take him to a strip club and he refused to go, because he didn't want to see me dressed up in drag either. And he dressed up during sexual activity with his wife? So what? That's their business and plenty of couples roleplay during sexual encounters, big deal, doesn't mean anything sinister was behind it. Michael has stated numerous times that Peter Pan is the perfect representation of childhood freedom and magic. There's absolutely nothing sinister, creepy, or perverted behind that mindset. He was physically and verbally abused by his father, because of that, I do believe it stunted him and didn't fully manifest itself until he got older. One of the main reasons why I don't believe he was a pedophile because he was abused himself. I refuse to believe he would subject any child to the same pain and suffering that he endured, which is why I don't see him bringing himself to harm any child or anyone. And a child molester will attempt to violate their own children, nieces, nephews, and he had plenty of them to molest too. I truly believe with my heart, soul, and mind that Michael just found more comfort in being around children because they didn't want anything from him and they treated him like he was one of them. Holy necro... but anyway, as I stated I don't think anyone is changing anyone's mind. You've chosen to ignore the testimony of those people I listed to go with your gut feelings. However, I do think I need to clarify some of my points. Micheal and his family's approach to homosexuality is entirely my point. Firstly my earlier point is IF, (and I know it's a big if, but follow me here) Micheal had any homosexual feelings during his awkward growing up phase when his father was traumatizing him and his mother was proselytizing away the family problems, it would almost assuredly cause him many of the problems that later manifested, publicly, privately and accusedly. It would explain his adamant discomfort around homosexuals, his idolation of the young male body, his self loathing and self image problems, his unattraction towards females, his inability to maintain an erection with females, etc. I mean you yourself say it stunted him, in his preteen sexually formative years no less, but refuse to believe it had any effect on his sexuality? Secondly, if you refuse to believe that anyone who has been abused could end up being an abuser I have some very bad news for you. While most people who are abused don't abuse, most abusers were abused. Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles type of thing. So ruling someone out because they were a victim themselves is a bad precedent. www.chabad.org/thejewishwoman/article_cdo/aid/1707466/jewish/Things-You-Need-to-Know-About-Child-Molesters.htmThirdly, it's only a little over 20 percent of sex offenders, offend within their own household. So, it isn't even out of the realm of probability that if he were a pederast, he'd not touch one of his own. Like I said I doubt I can convince you anymore than the evidence that is there, but please don't think those of us who see something more sinister are just making shit up to tar and feather other peoples idol.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2015 1:28:22 GMT -5
My guess would be that Michael Jackson was non-sexual. I find it just as unlikely he'd have sex with men as he would with women. He was basically a 10 year old kid. He played on ferris wheels and sat in a tree imagining himself as a pirate or some shit like that. He spent his days playing Afterburner on an old arcade machine before riding around his estate on his mini-train, before going back inside his house and watching ET for the 394th time. I don't think he was a molester. He just put way too much trust in people and put himself in vulnerable positions to be accused of such behaviour. He was an adult man who didn't see any problem having slumber parties with kids. As I said, he was mentally a child. I don't blame him. This is a guy who clearly had body image problems caused by a combination of not wanting to look like his abusive domineering and complete batshit crazy father, and being bullied by bigger, stronger, older brothers, none of which have ever IMO received proper criticism for how they treated him. It's no wonder he tried to hack his face to pieces. He also suffered from some bizarre health issues which gradually took over his life and thus prompted much of his strange lifestyle. He wasn't helped at all by being friends with people like Liz Taylor and Marlon Brando, who while great in their prime, had degenerated into bizarre lunatics, and with people who would indulge his every demand, like his personal doctor, which is ultimately what killed him.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 31, 2015 2:52:07 GMT -5
I don't see what the whole hubbub over Michael Jackson is. Much like OJ, acquittal or not, his case tarnished his name and legacy in the eyes of many forever. Claim acquittal all you want, it didn't mystically, magically repair his image when all was said and done.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Dec 31, 2015 3:03:46 GMT -5
I don't see what the whole hubbub over Michael Jackson is. Much like OJ, acquittal or not, his case tarnished his name and legacy in the eyes of many forever. Claim acquittal all you want, it didn't mystically, magically repair his image when all was said and done. Oh, he's definitely "tarnished for good", no debate about that. The ongoing debate is about whether our not be did it.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 31, 2015 3:08:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I can't look at John Wilkes Booth in the same light any more. I don't care if his father was Junius Booth or his brother was Edwin Booth or how many great performances he gave. To me he's still the dude who shot Lincoln. Some wounds never heal.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Dec 31, 2015 3:14:02 GMT -5
I don't see what the whole hubbub over Michael Jackson is. Much like OJ, acquittal or not, his case tarnished his name and legacy in the eyes of many forever. Claim acquittal all you want, it didn't mystically, magically repair his image when all was said and done. Oh, he's definitely "tarnished for good", no debate about that. The ongoing debate is about whether our not be did it. That will be one of those eternal debates that will outlast all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 8:57:13 GMT -5
Just throwing this out there, surprisingly nobody mentioned Paul Rubens' comeback role in the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie. (With Kristy Swanson & Luke Perry.)
The movie got blah reviews, but Paul got a lot of good press from it. What probably helped was getting the Pee-Wee character out of his system at the MTV awards and just being himself for a while.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 31, 2015 10:09:04 GMT -5
I don't see what the whole hubbub over Michael Jackson is. Much like OJ, acquittal or not, his case tarnished his name and legacy in the eyes of many forever. Claim acquittal all you want, it didn't mystically, magically repair his image when all was said and done. Oh, he's definitely "tarnished for good", no debate about that. The ongoing debate is about whether our not be did it. Tarnished for good, which was why his funeral was broadcast for all to see.
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Post by Clover Star on Dec 31, 2015 13:24:08 GMT -5
Kevin Clash makes me feel bad, because he got caught having an actual relationship. Like, a mutual, being happy together relationship. If the kid had been 2 years older, there wouldn't be an issue. (I'm not saying dating minors is ok, but I think it's unfair to lump him in with other celebrity perverts.) His original accuser was a lying piece of shit, and even admitted to lying. He and Kevin's other accusers wanted money and they got it.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Dec 31, 2015 18:28:35 GMT -5
Benedict Arnold. You can't even mention him without people saying, "Yeah but he turned on America though."
Hell, Gorilla Monsoon even used his name to describe Paul Orndorff after Orndorff turned on Hogan. That's how tarnished Benedict Arnold is.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2015 18:38:44 GMT -5
I don't see what the whole hubbub over Michael Jackson is. Much like OJ, acquittal or not, his case tarnished his name and legacy in the eyes of many forever. Claim acquittal all you want, it didn't mystically, magically repair his image when all was said and done. Generally it did. His final set of planned concerts in London all sold out within an hour.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Dec 31, 2015 18:41:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I can't look at John Wilkes Booth in the same light any more. I don't care if his father was Junius Booth or his brother was Edwin Booth or how many great performances he gave. To me he's still the dude who shot Lincoln. Some wounds never heal. Too soon dude
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jan 1, 2016 6:12:53 GMT -5
A pedophile and a child molester isn't necessarily the same thing.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 1, 2016 6:55:49 GMT -5
Roman Polanski is still making movies, with A-list stars, and many of them signed a petition supporting him. It's amazing, considering that he's a child rapist who fled punishment for his crime. Calling Polanski a 'child rapist' is a stretch. In many states, what he did is perfectly acceptable. It all comes down to the arbitrary call of the age at which a particular place deems someone an 'adult.' Anyway, yes, Polanski is still very respected by people inside and outside the film industry. Personally, I love his films. Loving an artist's art is not the same thing as loving what an artist does (or is accused to have done) in his/her private life, and this applies to Benoit, Michael Jackson, and everyone else.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jan 1, 2016 6:59:17 GMT -5
Those actors include Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Jodie Foster, Kate Winslet, Ewen McGregor, Ben Kingsley, Hugh Grant, Sigourney Weaver, Christoph Waltz, Adrien Brody, and John C. Reilly. So not going to happen. Some of these are way too beloved to have their careers killed. Just goes to show, then, just how shady and unethical many actors are. With all the great directors in Hollywood, why would you ever consider working for such a shit-stain of a human being? I don't know how many times I have to say this until you will finally listen: People like Roman Polanski as a director because he is able to direct movies very well. (Well-directed movies are often critically acclaimed and are profitable for all those involved in their creation.) Is that so hard to understand?
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jan 1, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
Just goes to show, then, just how shady and unethical many actors are. With all the great directors in Hollywood, why would you ever consider working for such a shit-stain of a human being? I don't know how many times I have to say this until you will finally listen: People like Roman Polanski as a director because he is able to direct movies very well. (Well-directed movies are often critically acclaimed and are profitable for all those involved in their creation.) Is that so hard to understand? Why so grumpy? I stand by my statement. Anyone who works for him is, IMO, a piece of crap.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 1, 2016 10:50:11 GMT -5
Roman Polanski is still making movies, with A-list stars, and many of them signed a petition supporting him. It's amazing, considering that he's a child rapist who fled punishment for his crime. Calling Polanski a 'child rapist' is a stretch. In many states, what he did is perfectly acceptable. It all comes down to the arbitrary call of the age at which a particular place deems someone an 'adult.' He drugged a 13 year old girl and forcibly performed oral sex on her while she was half-conscious, in what states is that considered "perfectly acceptable"? I don't want to accidentally vacation in one. This isn't a Rob Lowe situation where he wound up hooking up with a 16 year old he met at a bar that shouldn't allow 16 year olds in thus had no idea how young she actually was. Polanski DRUGGED AND FORCED HIMSELF ON A 13 YEAR OLD CHILD. If that isn't the definition of "child rapist" then I don't know what is.
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