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Post by Larryhausen on Mar 24, 2015 23:02:25 GMT -5
Arn Anderson is a Highlander.
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Post by revolver86 on Mar 24, 2015 23:43:57 GMT -5
This is a tad morbid, but I've always wondered if maybe Owen jumped, that night.
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Post by Essential1 on Mar 24, 2015 23:57:52 GMT -5
Chris Jericho is inking his body so much Vince is embarrassed to put him on WWE TV.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Mar 25, 2015 0:40:21 GMT -5
I know I might come across as a crazy conspiracy theorist, but I've got the strangest suspicion that Pro-Wrestling isn't entirely legit.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 25, 2015 14:46:35 GMT -5
I've always suspected that Juan Cena is a close blood relative of John Cena
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Post by MC Blowfish on Mar 25, 2015 15:11:32 GMT -5
I think it was Arn Anderson who said he thought Vince persuaded Russo to go to WCW to bring it down from the inside. Which doesn't make sense, since we all saw his dealings with TNA.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Mar 25, 2015 15:51:35 GMT -5
I think the Montreal Screwjob was a work. It was a plan that benefited all sides. Vince got the SUPER heel he wanted at the top of the card that helped cause the attitude boom (himself), and Bret got the big money from WCW. It was, quite literally, best for business. Honestly, I've had a lot of questions about Montreal as well. -As you said, it really did provide the best possible outcome for all sides. Shawn got the belt as well as the heel heat. The WWF title's integrity was protected. Vince became the center of a whirlwind of attention and controversy which made him wrestling's biggest heel. The WWF still got relieved of the financial burden that was Bret's weighty contract, and also now had room in the main event scene to elevate Austin. Bret himself went overnight from being an anti-American heel to the biggest, most sympathetic martyr in the wrestling business, and also got the chance to go to WCW and enjoy the big bucks paid by Bischoff. The fact that Bret's career subsequently floundered is simply due to WCW's incompetence in not knowing what to do with him once they got him. -Why didn't Bret ever sue Vince for breach of contract? It was an open-and-shut violation of his creative control. -Why didn't Vince's presence at ringside immediately set off red flags in Bret's mind and make him guard against any potential screwjob? -When the bell rang, why did the camera immediately cut to Bret's reaction, and not the new champ? -No one actually saw Bret punch Vince backstage. Was Vince's "black eye" really makeup? I honestly don't know how I feel about Montreal. It's the JFK assassination of wrestling; there are just so many details that raise major questions.
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Post by BobW on Mar 25, 2015 16:13:25 GMT -5
I am convinced that there were not 93,173 fans at the Silverdome to see WM3. I know it seems far fetched.l but I think that WWF lied in order to get mainstream media attention. I know, it's shocking. On a related note, I have a working theory that Madison Square Garden does not, in fact, hold 80,000 people. It doesn't. It just did that night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 16:24:57 GMT -5
I forget who said it, but they felt the death of Biff Wellington is what really sent him over the edge. Jeeze did they really die on the same day? Not quite, but close. Black Cat died in late Jan '06, Grunge died about 2 weeks later. Oh wait, you're talking about Wellington...........holy crap, same day. But Wellington died on the 24th, and by that point both Nancy and Daniel were dead a day or more......gah, does this mean Benoit was *not* planning to kill himself, and that Wellington's death "sending him over the edge" meant killing himself? I always just assumed the murders were the prelude to his own inevitable suicide on that Sunday.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Mar 25, 2015 18:56:09 GMT -5
The way NXT is going, I foresee Hunter turning the WWE upside down when Vince finnalllyyy retires: massive talent, office, production and staff turnover overnight. And a less stratified card structure with a narrower gap between main eventers and low midcarder.
And hopefully Regal as lead announcer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 18:56:11 GMT -5
I think the Montreal Screwjob was a work. It was a plan that benefited all sides. Vince got the SUPER heel he wanted at the top of the card that helped cause the attitude boom (himself), and Bret got the big money from WCW. It was, quite literally, best for business. Honestly, I've had a lot of questions about Montreal as well. -As you said, it really did provide the best possible outcome for all sides. Shawn got the belt as well as the heel heat. The WWF title's integrity was protected. Vince became the center of a whirlwind of attention and controversy which made him wrestling's biggest heel. The WWF still got relieved of the financial burden that was Bret's weighty contract, and also now had room in the main event scene to elevate Austin. Bret himself went overnight from being an anti-American heel to the biggest, most sympathetic martyr in the wrestling business, and also got the chance to go to WCW and enjoy the big bucks paid by Bischoff. The fact that Bret's career subsequently floundered is simply due to WCW's incompetence in not knowing what to do with him once they got him. -Why didn't Bret ever sue Vince for breach of contract? It was an open-and-shut violation of his creative control. -Why didn't Vince's presence at ringside immediately set off red flags in Bret's mind and make him guard against any potential screwjob? -When the bell rang, why did the camera immediately cut to Bret's reaction, and not the new champ? -No one actually saw Bret punch Vince backstage. Was Vince's "black eye" really makeup? I honestly don't know how I feel about Montreal. It's the JFK assassination of wrestling; there are just so many details that raise major questions. Not to mention that they just happened to be filming a documentary about Bret Hart while this whole thing was going on and AFAIK the WWE never had any qualms about it being released or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 20:50:53 GMT -5
I may or may not be a c-o-n...spiracy theorist, but I have this feeling Mr. T might love his mother.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 26, 2015 22:03:21 GMT -5
I think the Montreal Screwjob was a work. It was a plan that benefited all sides. Vince got the SUPER heel he wanted at the top of the card that helped cause the attitude boom (himself), and Bret got the big money from WCW. It was, quite literally, best for business. Honestly, I've had a lot of questions about Montreal as well. -As you said, it really did provide the best possible outcome for all sides. Shawn got the belt as well as the heel heat. The WWF title's integrity was protected. Vince became the center of a whirlwind of attention and controversy which made him wrestling's biggest heel. The WWF still got relieved of the financial burden that was Bret's weighty contract, and also now had room in the main event scene to elevate Austin. Bret himself went overnight from being an anti-American heel to the biggest, most sympathetic martyr in the wrestling business, and also got the chance to go to WCW and enjoy the big bucks paid by Bischoff. The fact that Bret's career subsequently floundered is simply due to WCW's incompetence in not knowing what to do with him once they got him. -Why didn't Bret ever sue Vince for breach of contract? It was an open-and-shut violation of his creative control. -Why didn't Vince's presence at ringside immediately set off red flags in Bret's mind and make him guard against any potential screwjob? -When the bell rang, why did the camera immediately cut to Bret's reaction, and not the new champ? -No one actually saw Bret punch Vince backstage. Was Vince's "black eye" really makeup? I honestly don't know how I feel about Montreal. It's the JFK assassination of wrestling; there are just so many details that raise major questions. I thought the same way about Montreal for the longest, but then I learned that Martha Hart used the Screwjob as a part of her suit against WWE and Vince. Vince would never put kayfabe over losing money.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 22:26:34 GMT -5
I thought the same way about Montreal for the longest, but then I learned that Martha Hart used the Screwjob as a part of her suit against WWE and Vince. Vince would never put kayfabe over losing money. Vince has often shown that his ego, his desire to have things his way and public perceptions about him and his company are more important to him than money.
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Post by mattyy on Mar 26, 2015 23:24:10 GMT -5
Not a disturbing theory, but I've always felt like the 2013-2014 SmackDown theme was meant for Kassius Ohno. Especially since it appeared once a lot of the NXT guys got a lot of new themes, and it's by the guy who did his ROH theme. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB1ex32B5J0
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Post by sokratesschmitt on Mar 27, 2015 17:00:04 GMT -5
I've always suspected that Juan Cena is a close blood relative of John Cena I can see why you would jump to that conclusion but it's not true. In fact, Juan Cena should actually be called Cena Juan because in the mexican territory he originated from, the surname is listed first in any official sports events... Common mistake, they seem to sound alike, but in fact don't even share the same surname. Whereas they look so much alike.... COINCIDENCE!
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Post by willywonka666 on Mar 27, 2015 17:18:20 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior knew his death was imminent when he made that speech on RAW. I believe that to be absolutely true and it was something I spoke about on this board. -------- For my own, I totally believe the Mania 3 of 93,173 is totally legit. The only source disputing this Zane or whats his name or whatever. Everyone else holds this number up to be true. Did it make the Guiness book of records?
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Mar 27, 2015 17:55:07 GMT -5
Ultimate Warrior knew his death was imminent when he made that speech on RAW. I was talking with a friend online the other day about how I believe this to be complete fact. Like he knew he had some kind of terminal illness and did the burying the hatchet and HoF because he knew he didn't have much time left. The timing of it all, including his last appearance, is just eerie.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 27, 2015 19:37:49 GMT -5
I thought the same way about Montreal for the longest, but then I learned that Martha Hart used the Screwjob as a part of her suit against WWE and Vince. Vince would never put kayfabe over losing money. Vince has often shown that his ego, his desire to have things his way and public perceptions about him and his company are more important to him than money. Yeah, but neither he or Martha would risk perjury charges to maintain a storyline that was almost 5 years old at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 19:49:05 GMT -5
Vince has often shown that his ego, his desire to have things his way and public perceptions about him and his company are more important to him than money. Yeah, but neither he or Martha would risk perjury charges to maintain a storyline that was almost 5 years old at that point. For all we know Martha didn't know. That and one incident has nothing to do with the other. This is something which Vince would have obviously known and perhaps made him decide that keeping his mouth shut would be better than exposing the screwjob and enforcing the aura of distrust around his whole business. The exposure of his ability to show deceit on that level would have been very bad for his defense in a court case. Besides Bret and Vince no one truly knows anything other than what they've been told... by Bret and Vince. Two honest storytellers if there ever were any...
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