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Post by g1megatronfan on Mar 23, 2015 22:58:35 GMT -5
It really feels that way with Bryan. It's like they are going out of their way to be dicks this year. Mean spiteful dicks who hate thier fans. Only in wrestling can this happen.
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Post by eminence on Mar 23, 2015 22:59:45 GMT -5
You guys are a bunch of drama queens, sheesh. Somebody lost a match clean, omg! You're the same people who complain that there's never a clean finish.
You're the same people who will complain when Bryan wins the damn ladder match.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 23, 2015 23:01:05 GMT -5
This old, out of touch piece of shit got what he wanted. He took something that was special, but not made special by his design, and wiped his own shittiness all over it until it was ruined. The real turd is Vince McMahon.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Mar 23, 2015 23:04:21 GMT -5
I like Ziggler. I have no problem with this whatsoever.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Mar 23, 2015 23:11:43 GMT -5
That was a great match. Loved Ziggler winning. Bryan is like Cena. He's a made man. Losses don't hurt him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 23, 2015 23:15:14 GMT -5
That was a great match. Loved Ziggler winning. Bryan is like Cena. He's a made man. Losses don't hurt him. But he's not a made man. If he were this thread would not exist. That said, if Bryan won, people would still complain about Ziggler not being on "Bryan's level".
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Post by saintpat on Mar 23, 2015 23:18:30 GMT -5
Help me here:
Bryan is the ultimate underdog ... but beating him is supposed to be a big deal?
But then again, he's lost clean like three times in 14 months ... and he's supposed to be an underdog?
I don't get it.
And so much for the "it didn't have to be Bryan, we'd be just as happy if Ziggler had gotten the big push" line of thinking.
Clearly Bryan is never, ever supposed to lose.
If he's the guy some of his supporters think he is, then putting people over is part of what he should be good at.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Mar 23, 2015 23:29:36 GMT -5
That was a great match. Loved Ziggler winning. Bryan is like Cena. He's a made man. Losses don't hurt him. But he's not a made man. If he were this thread would not exist. That said, if Bryan won, people would still complain about Ziggler not being on "Bryan's level". If he wasn't a made man after beating The Authority, Triple H, Batista and Orton in the SAME NIGHT, winning the WWE Championship in the main event of Wrestlemania, he will never be a made man. Please don't mistake Bryan's status because you all want him to be Champion. He doesn't NEED the championship because he is as over as he could ever be without it. And frankly, since I'm on this right now, does it make sense to make Bryan champ when he was on the shelf right after Mania and there were questions about whether he'd ever work again? In December, we were accepting he'd likely retire. Vince has every right to keep the title off of Bryan. I know there's the argument that they could have left the title on Bryan but it doesn't make sense. I get it with Lesnar as an attraction. but Bryan isn't in that same league. Lesnar is a once in a lifetime wrestler because he left, succeeded legitimately in MMA and came back. Bryan, while made, will never be at that level because only Lesnar (and Rock, as the Hollywood box office king) are and likely ever will be. Bryan will win more titles. I bet he will win the WWE Championship again when the time is right. And no bad booking will keep the crowd from going nuts over it.
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Post by RIHT on Mar 23, 2015 23:35:10 GMT -5
This should have closed the show with the two shaking hands. Then the heels try for a beatdown, but Ambrose, Rollins, and Bryan stop them until they all face off to close the show.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 23, 2015 23:35:59 GMT -5
Help me here: Bryan is the ultimate underdog ... but beating him is supposed to be a big deal?But then again, he's lost clean like three times in 14 months ... and he's supposed to be an underdog? I don't get it. And so much for the "it didn't have to be Bryan, we'd be just as happy if Ziggler had gotten the big push" line of thinking. Clearly Bryan is never, ever supposed to lose. If he's the guy some of his supporters think he is, then putting people over is part of what he should be good at. Why in the world would it not be? Dude is a former world champion and won the main event of Mania last year. For all intents and purposes, he was presented as THE GUY on TV this time last year. To beat that guy clean should be treated as a huge deal, especially when you are trying to gain momentum for this year's Mania. He's an underdog in size, not in position on the card.
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Post by kevin on Mar 23, 2015 23:40:16 GMT -5
It was shocking both to see Bryan lose and to see Ziggler get a win over a main eventer.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 23, 2015 23:44:35 GMT -5
Anyone else want to see it as Ziggler rising up to be an equal with Bryan? Just me, then? Suits me fine. I want to, but there was no excitement or buzz about it from the crowd or the announcers. Exactly. If I were to read on paper "Dolph Ziggler beats Daniel Bryan clean after a long competitive match", I'd be like, "hey, that's neat!" Having seen it actually play out on TV...why even bother? It came off as so meaningless and pointless. It was just another match on Raw, business as usual. The announcers didn't care at all and Ziggler got like no time to celebrate his win because he had to eat a Dirty Deeds for this goofy ladder match. That's a perfect example of how to make sure a guy doesn't actually get over when he "goes over." In fact, I agree with the OP. That whole thing lowered Bryan way more than it did any kind of good for Ziggler and it's not either guy's fault. Just a bunch of geeks dicking around over a worthless title.
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Mar 24, 2015 0:36:41 GMT -5
This old, out of touch piece of shit got what he wanted. He took something that was special, but not made special by his design, and wiped his own shittiness all over it until it was ruined. The real turd is Vince McMahon. And now instead of two viable main eventers he's got two guys who could've been something, but were sadly booked into oblivion, one who ironically he tried to do the exact opposite with. I think Vince's days of creating new main event calibur stars are over. Which is kind of crazy when you think about it, but after the numerous failures over the past few years it's starting to become more believable.
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Mar 24, 2015 0:41:16 GMT -5
Anyone who is mad about this outcome should try to name 3 guys in the company more needing and deserving of the two wins over Bryan than Dolph Ziggler. They seem to be using one guy the fans really like to help push another the fans really like. Ziggler comes out of this looking like a big deal who can beat anyone on any given night. Bryan is so over and has established so much credibility that this won't hurt him really. I see no problems
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Post by PsychoGoatee on Mar 24, 2015 0:59:15 GMT -5
I'm a mark for them both, and it's cool and all, but I did kind of say "huh?" at the finish. They should've saved these two for a pay-per-view, maybe Extreme Rules. It feels like it should take two ZigZags to put down Bryan. They're both fighting spirit ultimate underdogs who never give up, going against eachother they should both do at least 600 finishers. It's how ROH would've done it, and damn it, it's right. Also for the record, I don't look at the Smackdown win as fully clean for Ziggler, since Bryan just had a long match with Harper and then Ziggler came in. And that said, I think Bryan is getting the win back on Sunday, so tonight is just a little something for Dolph.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 24, 2015 1:15:03 GMT -5
Anyone who is mad about this outcome should try to name 3 guys in the company more needing and deserving of the two wins over Bryan than Dolph Ziggler. They seem to be using one guy the fans really like to help push another the fans really like. Ziggler comes out of this looking like a big deal who can beat anyone on any given night. Bryan is so over and has established so much credibility that this won't hurt him really. I see no problems That's how it SHOULD be, but that's not how it was INTENDED to be. In WWE's mind, Ziggler is King Jobber, so by having Bryan lose to Ziggler he's now a jobber to a jobber, so he looks bad. Now that's not what it looks like to you, but that's what WWE's intentions in booking this match was.
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Post by fw91 on Mar 24, 2015 1:19:20 GMT -5
It was shocking both to see Bryan lose and to see Ziggler get a win over a main eventer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 1:20:25 GMT -5
What made me mad was that it wasn't treated like a big deal at all. What a waste. This should have been the biggest singles win of Ziggler's career but nope, it got lost in all the ladder bullshit. I hate the build to this match. Maybe the third biggest singles win, I mean he did win World Heavyweight Championships off of Edge and Del Rio.
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Post by madness50 on Mar 24, 2015 1:31:22 GMT -5
In my opinion, Bryan is set for the rest of his career. He beat Cena, HHH, Orton, and Batista clean as a sheet in a six-month time span. Those four guys are the biggest stars from the past decade in WWE.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 24, 2015 1:37:57 GMT -5
Help me here: Bryan is the ultimate underdog ... but beating him is supposed to be a big deal? But then again, he's lost clean like three times in 14 months ... and he's supposed to be an underdog? I don't get it. And so much for the "it didn't have to be Bryan, we'd be just as happy if Ziggler had gotten the big push" line of thinking. Clearly Bryan is never, ever supposed to lose. If he's the guy some of his supporters think he is, then putting people over is part of what he should be good at. Problem is we're at the point where WWE isn't treating Bryan like anything more than just another guy since Reigns beat him.
It's not about Bryan putting people over it's about THE POSITION of the card. For all intents and purposes, Bryan vs Ziggler should have been the Number One Contenders match, not Bryan vs Rowan, and Ziggler should have won, that, THAT would have been a huge deal, it makes sense, that Ziggler would be in that position, and it would make sense for Bryan to tell Ziggler he has more heart than him
Its the fact a guy who SHOULD FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES BE THE GUY, after winning the title, feuded with Kane, got hurt, came back too early, and got everything screwed up for him, and the same happened with Ziggler, at Survivor Series, which should have been his moment of elevation, but nope, TO THE MIDCARD HE GOES. Both of these guys should have been going for the Spot vs Lesnar.
Not some bumbling Pretty Boy Samoan who beforehand was just feuding with THE BIG SHOW, and not gaining any ground. Ziggler was coming off Survivor Series, he had the means to be "The Guy who never quits" going into the match with Lesnar, who DESTROYS people.
Instead, we have Roman Reigns being put at a position he just doesn't belong, he was clearly forced into, and it has DESTROYED him. And for what? So Vince could have his Big Man vs Big Man Lube Fest? Is that worth everyone booing Mania? Because from what I heard, when you tried to establish a Triumphant Moment as RAW ended by Roman snatching the title without fear from the supposed big bad, THE ENTIRE CROWD BOOED
We have Ziggler beating Bryan twice in a week and none of it matters, they are in a useless Ladder Match Clusterf*** with the rest of the guys WWE doesn't give a shit about, and Roman Reigns is there uncontested billed as a guy who is ready when he clearly isn't, THAT, is the big problem we all see here.
And what makes it even worse is it all could have been avoided, it could have even been fixed, but if anything, this Mania is proving how out of it Vince really is. And he is REALLY out of it...
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