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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 19, 2015 19:44:38 GMT -5
TNA's bigger than ECW, yet they've blatantly built shows around ECW.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Apr 19, 2015 20:33:56 GMT -5
TNA's bigger than ECW, yet they've blatantly built shows around ECW. That's a great point. Also, there's still ECW reunion shows way over a decade since they went out of business. I can promise the second that TNA closes their doors everyone will forget they ever existed.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 19, 2015 20:38:57 GMT -5
TNA's bigger than ECW, yet they've blatantly built shows around ECW. That's a great point. Also, there's still ECW reunion shows way over a decade since they went out of business. I can promise the second that TNA closes their doors everyone will forget they ever existed. Except Dixie, who will still tweet every few months about the company that "hung in there" against Big Evil Vince.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Apr 19, 2015 20:43:50 GMT -5
That's a great point. Also, there's still ECW reunion shows way over a decade since they went out of business. I can promise the second that TNA closes their doors everyone will forget they ever existed. Except Dixie, who will still tweet every few months about the company that "hung in there" against Big Evil Vince. "We were so close, darlin'. All we needed were 4 hours for Impact, a sign from God, Russo, Sting, Bruiser Brody, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and Mick Foley and Christian, 8 sides, MMA legends, less haters, ECW, Vince McMahon, Taz; we were so close and unfairly put out of business."
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 19, 2015 20:53:38 GMT -5
Except Dixie, who will still tweet every few months about the company that "hung in there" against Big Evil Vince. "We were so close, darlin'. All we needed were 4 hours for Impact, a sign from God, Russo, Sting, Bruiser Brody, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and Mick Foley and Christian, 8 sides, MMA legends, less haters, ECW, Vince McMahon, Taz; we were so close and unfairly put out of business." She'll write so many books about how amazing she made TNA. It'll be hilarious.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 19, 2015 21:06:54 GMT -5
They are bigger, but consider the difference. Time frame, sure, but one had little to no money (insert bounced check joke, of course), had PPV providers out and out refusing to pay them owed monies, and got a network deal on a network that hated them and wanted them gone.
TNA went from a "small start up" to being owned by a huge corporation, they got a network that actually gave them what they wanted instead of asking "are you still here?". They have international deals that ECW never had, et the same "nobody is getting paid" jokes are applying that were used on ECW, except, well, TNA's parent company has enough money to build an arena out of hundred dollar bills.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:23:58 GMT -5
Except Dixie, who will still tweet every few months about the company that "hung in there" against Big Evil Vince. "We were so close, darlin'. All we needed were 4 hours for Impact, a sign from God, Russo, Sting, Bruiser Brody, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair and Mick Foley and Christian, 8 sides, MMA legends, less haters, ECW, Vince McMahon, Taz; we were so close and unfairly put out of business." Christian helped make TNA great.
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 19, 2015 21:26:21 GMT -5
They are bigger, but consider the difference. Time frame, sure, but one had little to no money (insert bounced check joke, of course), had PPV providers out and out refusing to pay them owed monies, and got a network deal on a network that hated them and wanted them gone. TNA went from a "small start up" to being owned by a huge corporation, they got a network that actually gave them what they wanted instead of asking "are you still here?". They have international deals that ECW never had, et the same "nobody is getting paid" jokes are applying that were used on ECW, except, well, TNA's parent company has enough money to build an arena out of hundred dollar bills. If anything, this just proves that mediocrity will win out every time. That's damn depressing.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 20, 2015 9:02:59 GMT -5
And Cliff Richard has outsold The Beatles in the UK singles and albums charts.
Doesn't mean dick from a quality standpoint.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 20, 2015 9:02:58 GMT -5
TNA has also existed for a 50% longer time than ECW.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:43 GMT -5
TNA's bigger than ECW, yet they've blatantly built shows around ECW. That's a great point. Also, there's still ECW reunion shows way over a decade since they went out of business. I can promise the second that TNA closes their doors everyone will forget they ever existed. Yeah, ECW made a huge impact on wrestling, TNA hasn't.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 20, 2015 10:03:06 GMT -5
ECW will always mean more in the long run, while TNA will sort of be remembered for all the chances they squandered away. From a small start up company to what they ended up being at their peak that is great success but they couldn't hold on to it. The charisma of Paul E is what held everything together in ECW while the non existent charisma of Dixie is what could possibly break this company. She just come across as a person who wants to seem like they are in control but in reality you are just an enabler to talent because you think that is what makes you a good boss.
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Post by Captain2 on Apr 20, 2015 10:47:51 GMT -5
TNA's bigger than ECW, yet they've blatantly built shows around ECW. It would be nice if they tried building a show around TNA guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 10:55:19 GMT -5
Seeing AJ there made me realize how much of his career he lost to a black hole. Guy's still phenomenal. Totally. His matches for the world title recently have really lived up to his moniker. Styles vs Ibushi at Invasion Attack was just terrific and I can't believe this was the same guy that was in TNA. Just worlds apart in-ring it seems like. I don't know what happens in TNA, but outside of that promotion guys like Addiction, Austin Ares, Perkins - they're all WAY more entertaining for some reason.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 20, 2015 11:03:42 GMT -5
Seeing AJ there made me realize how much of his career he lost to a black hole. Guy's still phenomenal. Totally. His matches for the world title recently have really lived up to his moniker. Styles vs Ibushi at Invasion Attack was just terrific and I can't believe this was the same guy that was in TNA. Just worlds apart in-ring it seems like. I don't know what happens in TNA, but outside of that promotion guys like Addiction, Austin Ares, Perkins - they're all WAY more entertaining for some reason. It must be noted, however, that AJ has actually developed a ton as a wrestler over the past decade or so in the sense that he's a much more complete package and a lot of that development can be attributed to TNA. I'm not arguing the point you guys are making, I'm just saying his time in TNA wasn't totally worthless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 11:05:39 GMT -5
Totally. His matches for the world title recently have really lived up to his moniker. Styles vs Ibushi at Invasion Attack was just terrific and I can't believe this was the same guy that was in TNA. Just worlds apart in-ring it seems like. I don't know what happens in TNA, but outside of that promotion guys like Addiction, Austin Ares, Perkins - they're all WAY more entertaining for some reason. It must be noted, however, that AJ has actually developed a ton as a wrestler over the past decade or so in the sense that he's a much more complete package and a lot of that development can be attributed to TNA. I'm not arguing the point you guys are making, I'm just saying his time in TNA wasn't totally worthless. Oh for sure. He got to work with a lot of dudes in TNA that helped develop him as a wrestler. It just seems that dudes either try harder when they leave TNA or when they're in TNA, they're given way too many notes or something for their matches that sucks the life out of them often.
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Post by chrom on Apr 20, 2015 14:37:34 GMT -5
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Apr 20, 2015 16:11:08 GMT -5
ECW and TNA are products of two different times.
ECW began as a small regional promotion, originally with an association to the once mighty, but then irrelevant National Wrestling Alliance. At this time there were two national promotions, both of which were experiencing an overall decline. ECW developed a loyal, underground following and eventually landed on to PPV. ECW did well enough on PPV that the PPV providers continued doing business with them until ECW folded. ECW initially had only syndicated TV. That was until they finally got a cable TV deal with TNN, then known as The Nashville Network. TNN gave ECW very little promotion and before their deal was up, TNN was already beginning negotations to replace ECW with WWE's Monday Night Raw. Throughout ECW's run, the two major promotions both signed away many of ECW's biggest stars. They also incorporated some of the style and attitude of ECW.
TNA, originally NWA:TNA, began out of the ashes of the wrestling boom of the late 1990s. By 2001, both WCW and ECW had fallen, and eventually, WWE would essentially buy what was left of both companies. TNA originated when there was a massive hole in North American wrestling. The Jarretts were able to find an 'angel investor' in the Carter family and Panda Energy. Initially, TNA ran shows on weekly PPV. This was never going to work longterm, but eventually they got on cable by actually paying for time on Fox Sports. This was not an ideal situation, but it got them on cable TV and they also had regular PPVs to work toward. Soon they would land an even better deal with Spike TV, which had just lost WWE programming to USA Network. Spike was a great home for TNA and Spike actually promoted the company, expanded their timeslot, and moved them to prime time on Thursday nights. Interestingly, Spike was the re-branding of TNN, the company that originally signed a deal with ECW, though that cable channel had already re-branded itself 'The National Network' during its time with WWE. With the backing of the Carters/Panda Energy, TNA was in a great position to expand their programming internationally. The TNA brand did well in England and TNA has been able to successfully tour the area. TNA enjoyed what ECW never really got to enjoy. Major funding and a strong, supportive cable TV relationship.
ECW is remembered for helping to revolutionize wrestling. It helped create stars that would go on to bigger stages. It helped create a style that the larger companies were influenced by. By contrast, WWE has signed few of TNA's original performers. WWE will re-hire some of their former wrestlers who went to TNA, but has largely passed on signing TNA performers. Yes, there are exceptions like Monty Brown and Chris Harris, but usually WWE re-hires wrestlers like R-Truth, Christian, RVD, Hulk Hogan, and Booker T. ECW is also remembered for their loyal, passionate fanbase. TNA is not really remembered for having a passionate, die-hard fanbase. TNA was largely able to survive due to its great TV partner. Now TNA has lost this great TV partner. TNA was able to find a new home on cable, but on a less prestigious network and probably for less money that what Spike was giving them. There have been reports that many talent have been receiving their pay late. Many of their longtime stars have left, such as AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels and now commentator Taz. They continue to exist. They deserve a lot of credit for what they've accomplished.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Apr 20, 2015 16:23:13 GMT -5
I'll be honest with you guys. Even if I had empirical evidence pointing to TNA being bigger than ECW ever was, I would never concede it to them. As awful of a wrestling company TNA is, the level of hate for them can sometimes get outright absurd. TNA manages to keep going. They've had national television and actual living operations longer than ECW did. But ECW was part of a different era with a different mindset in wrestling. If this were 2006, people would have much different hot taeks on TNA.
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