fw91
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Post by fw91 on May 5, 2015 20:21:20 GMT -5
Anybody catch this documentary on HBO yet? I can't decide if this is a brilliant masterpiece or just an uncomfortable viewing experience. The animated scenes were brilliant and gives us a more visual different side to a story people have heard about a million times. BUT it's a bit unflattering. Francis being congenitally addicted to meth and being high at birth, and the archive of home movies showed in imo, that Kurt and Courtney were unfit parents. Also how the hell did nobody get Kurt the help they needed? If the journal entries and notes were real and accurate, that all signs point to Cobain being suicidal his whole life. How did nobody pick up on it especially Courtney Love? Would have loved to see Dave Grohl in this, but that's just me being a Foo's fanboy. Nevertheless whatever way you look at it, it is still a compelling watch and would recommend it, even if you've heard the Cobain/Nirvana story a million times prior.
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Post by ICBM on May 5, 2015 20:34:58 GMT -5
I have not seen in but I am very interested in seeing it. As far as why did nobody pick up on his suicidal tendencies if they presented themselves for a long time, you must recall that times were different and awareness was not a thing for much of anything when he was growing up and was just starting to become a thing when he died. Ironically the generation he inspired were the ones who made the awareness of things an important deal. AIDS, Cancer, starving children in Nepal, breast cancer, suicide, depression etc. awareness campaigns were not as common in his growing up. They were there and starting to multiply but it wasn't as common place. So people wouldn't have been as keen on the signs BC they wouldn't have been exposed to them. Doubtless they knew he was different but developing a tolerance for manic behavior is and was common BC we want to think our friends and family are ok in some way "oh that's just Kurt" or "he'll grow out of it" are and were common excuses we and they likely told/tell ourselves
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 21:30:26 GMT -5
Definitely going to watch it when I find a showing or it's on HBO Go. But it sounds like a tough watch. Nirvana is one of my favorite things to ever exist, but Kurt's drug addiction made him a person that it's hard to be proud of sometimes.
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Perd
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Post by Perd on May 5, 2015 23:15:20 GMT -5
I've watched it twice now. It's a brilliantly made, but at time disturbing, look at a deeply troubled person. A person that just happened to be a genius. All the stuff with Kurt and Courtney is unflattering, but you can't do what this film is trying to do, and not show it. Kurt's addiction, and everything that affected, is a huge part of his story.
I knew Kurt was affected dramatically, by his parents divorce, and hearing the people involved talk about it, is heartbreaking. He is seemingly unwanted by his whole family. And part of that appears to be them ignoring that, from an early age, Kurt was a fragile, troubled person. Hearing him narrate his first suicide attempt, and everything that happened that led to that, is chilling.
It also delved into one of the aspects I've always found most fascinating about Kurt. And that's the contradiction of him being driven to be in a rock star, while at the same time almost running from it. That's not even a good way to describe that inner conflict he had. But it's the best I could do.
I highly encourage fans of Nirvana to watch. It's the most intimate look at this seminal figure in the history of popular music we are like to get. And it's not all doom and gloom. Seeing stuff like an early version of Nirvana performing in an Aberdeen living room is exhilarating. And hearing Kurt sing the Beatles "And I Love Her" is surreally awesome.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 24, 2015 18:31:47 GMT -5
Watching this now on HBO. Very powerful stuff.
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Post by Juice on Dec 24, 2015 23:42:40 GMT -5
I started it and didn't get far into it. I have heard mixes reviews. But I have been wanting to finish it as well as catching the soaked in bleach doc that came out as well.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Dec 25, 2015 5:49:50 GMT -5
It's a great if uncomfortable documentary, but I suppose that was the point. Kurt nodding out whilst his baby daughter is sitting in his lap is very difficult to watch, and made me lose a lot of respect for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 9:31:06 GMT -5
I saw it, and it actually made me like him less.
- He was a bad parent. - For such a trendsetter and pioneer, he cared too much what people thought of him. - He had this laid back image, but was actually an attention whore.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Dec 25, 2015 10:03:48 GMT -5
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 25, 2015 10:30:05 GMT -5
Saw it a few months ago, and it definitely paints a complex picture of the man that doesn't totally villify or deify him. I suspect he suffered from some sort of clinical depression for much of his life, and I think it did a lot to influence his music.
His conflicting views on his fame are interesting. He clearly wanted Nirvana to be as successful as possible, except without losing the opportunity to shape his public image. It's easy to watch the doc and regard MTV and the entertainment media as the villains because of how aggressively they hounded him and wrote about his public life, but for the sake of his family it's disappointing that he never got himself the help he needed.
Also his cartoons were twistedly funny.
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