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Post by Dub H on Aug 26, 2015 10:56:17 GMT -5
Just watched the finale and half way through Tough Talk. You know the one person that comes out best out of all of this, out of all the contestants, judges, coaches etc.... Daniel Bryan. If he hasn't shown constantly before that he is a stand up guy, then this show is even more evidence of what a true man and person he is. He always spoke fairly and unbiased on each contestant, being firm not harsh, giving constructive criticism and giving praise when it needed to be given. He knew that ZZ was being unfairly criticized to a degree in which it was too much, and it was very much on the surface that everyone will side with Josh and rail on ZZ from the start of the episode. I applaud him for standing up and saying it wasn't right, in front of one of his bosses and his colleagues. Jericho understood what Bryan was saying and I like Jericho (despite some of things he has said over the past few years, I will still always be a mark for him) so good for him on following up on Bryans point. But I don't think he would have done it if Bryan didn't stop the whole thing with everyone tearing ZZ a new one to begin with. It was an honor and dream to meet him in person during my Wrestlemania 31 weekend. As perfect a wrestler as he is, with all the classic matches he has had in and out of the WWE, his impact on the industry as a whole, future Hall of Famer without a doubt etc I think him as a person and a fair, kind, honest, respectful man that he always has been is as if not more important that the list of successes I have just listed off. Agreed with everything.Honestly WWE likes to say Cena is that amazing stand up guy. But i believe Daniel Bryan is the best role model possible on the WWE,and maybe on all of entertainment and sports
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 26, 2015 11:21:09 GMT -5
I lost interest in this year's Tough Enough after Patrick got eliminated. So the results don't faze me. ZZ's time ran out and the mission to Sanjaya the results failed while the Sara Lee project was a success. Now does Josh and Sara rise to the occasion & become the stars WWE needs them become in 6 months to satisfy USA and get the show renewed. Highly doubtful.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 26, 2015 13:06:02 GMT -5
So Booker, Lita, and Billy spend 10 weeks training these people but their opinion is irrelevant? It's all about a one hour Big Brother style show to let the WWE Universe pick who's least annoying. The whole aspect of this show never really ever made any sence to begin with but it still bugs me. All I took from the finale is a female with limited athletic ability can connect with people and win a vote against a superior athlete, while a male with limited athletic ability can connect with the crowd and lose a vote to a superior athlete. You can spend 56 weeks with that crew, but if you're going to ignore blatant it factor and fan connection, then petulantly shit on the winner because the fans like someone you don't, then your opinion is wrong and you're being an asshole. Booker, Lita and Billy were all assholes to the Nth degree last night.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Aug 26, 2015 13:15:55 GMT -5
So Booker, Lita, and Billy spend 10 weeks training these people but their opinion is irrelevant? It's all about a one hour Big Brother style show to let the WWE Universe pick who's least annoying. The whole aspect of this show never really ever made any sence to begin with but it still bugs me. All I took from the finale is a female with limited athletic ability can connect with people and win a vote against a superior athlete, while a male with limited athletic ability can connect with the crowd and lose a vote to a superior athlete. You can spend 56 weeks with that crew, but if you're going to ignore blatant it factor and fan connection, then petulantly shit on the winner because the fans like someone you don't, then your opinion is wrong and you're being an asshole. Booker, Lita and Billy were all assholes to the Nth degree last night. Booker, Lita, and Billy were all probably just pissed and worn out they wasted 10 weeks trying to teach these people how to wrestle with no input in who's best. Why do Bryan, Paige, and Miz just watch the same 1 hour Keeping Up With The Kardashians style show we see every week and pick the bottom 3 for us to vote? If they ever do this again please go back to the Austin season format.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Aug 26, 2015 13:16:59 GMT -5
You can spend 56 weeks with that crew, but if you're going to ignore blatant it factor and fan connection, then petulantly shit on the winner because the fans like someone you don't, then your opinion is wrong and you're being an asshole. Booker, Lita and Billy were all assholes to the Nth degree last night. Booker, Lita, and Billy were all probably just pissed and worn out they wasted 10 weeks trying to teach these people how to wrestle with no input in who's best. Yes, because that makes it okay and absolves them from being assholes.
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 26, 2015 13:47:57 GMT -5
Booker, Lita, and Billy were all probably just pissed and worn out they wasted 10 weeks trying to teach these people how to wrestle with no input in who's best. Yes, because that makes it okay and absolves them from being assholes. It doesn't make it okay, but it must've been insanely frustrating for them. When you have coaches that can't help eliminate someone and are bound by a broken voting system, it's no wonder they were being assholes.
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Post by 543Y2J on Aug 26, 2015 13:52:25 GMT -5
You can spend 56 weeks with that crew, but if you're going to ignore blatant it factor and fan connection, then petulantly shit on the winner because the fans like someone you don't, then your opinion is wrong and you're being an asshole. Booker, Lita and Billy were all assholes to the Nth degree last night. Booker, Lita, and Billy were all probably just pissed and worn out they wasted 10 weeks trying to teach these people how to wrestle with no input in who's best. Why do Bryan, Paige, and Miz just watch the same 1 hour Keeping Up With The Kardashians style show we see every week and pick the bottom 3 for us to vote? If they ever do this again please go back to the Austin season format. The Austin format worked perfectly (and this isn't even taking into account how good and entertaining of a host he was). It's a shame that Silent Rage didn't live up to Austins quality and the pure format (compared to the convoluted and overcomplicated format of this season)
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Aug 26, 2015 14:03:04 GMT -5
The Austin Format worked perfectly as far as they got the person they wanted to get. It failed in the sense that the guy they picked went absolutely nowhere and was the wrong guy to begin with. I would've much rather seen Austin yell at people for an hour than Paige scream nonsense at the top of her lungs.
I also really don't understand the whole "Amanda was a superior athlete to Sara Lee" business. What qualifications are we using for this? It's not like Sara Lee was out of shape, in fact I'd say she was in better physical condition than Amanda. Amanda was mostly fake parts anyway. Yes, Sara has had some hiccups along the way in training, but when it came down to the live show, Sara blew Amanda away as far as in ring performance. Amanda couldn't even take a side slam properly. Sara Lee has the connection with the fans, has the IT factor, and will be trained at the Performance Center and in NXT until she has the in ring ability. If Cameron can do this for heaven's sake, Sara Lee certainly can.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2015 14:04:19 GMT -5
The Austin Format worked perfectly as far as they got the person they wanted to get. It failed in the sense that the guy they picked went absolutely nowhere and was the wrong guy to begin with. I would've much rather seen Austin yell at people for an hour than Paige scream nonsense at the top of her lungs. I also really don't understand the whole "Amanda was a superior athlete to Sara Lee" business. What qualifications are we using for this? It's not like Sara Lee was out of shape, in fact I'd say she was in better physical condition than Amanda. Amanda was mostly fake parts anyway. Yes, Sara has had some hiccups along the way in training, but when it came down to the live show, Sara blew Amanda away as far as in ring performance. Amanda couldn't even take a side slam properly. Sara Lee has the connection with the fans, has the IT factor, and will be trained at the Performance Center and in NXT until she has the in ring ability. If Cameron can do this for heaven's sake, Sara Lee certainly can. Well I think the person they really wanted was injured.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 26, 2015 14:09:09 GMT -5
The Austin Format worked perfectly as far as they got the person they wanted to get. It failed in the sense that the guy they picked went absolutely nowhere and was the wrong guy to begin with. I would've much rather seen Austin yell at people for an hour than Paige scream nonsense at the top of her lungs. I also really don't understand the whole "Amanda was a superior athlete to Sara Lee" business. What qualifications are we using for this? It's not like Sara Lee was out of shape, in fact I'd say she was in better physical condition than Amanda. Amanda was mostly fake parts anyway. Yes, Sara has had some hiccups along the way in training, but when it came down to the live show, Sara blew Amanda away as far as in ring performance. Amanda couldn't even take a side slam properly. Sara Lee has the connection with the fans, has the IT factor, and will be trained at the Performance Center and in NXT until she has the in ring ability. If Cameron can do this for heaven's sake, Sara Lee certainly can. Well I think the person they really wanted was injured. Yeh,the person they wanted got an injure,which explains the winner and how they never even tried with him Even so that does NOT excuse hiring f***ing cameron,when you have 3 contestants of the SAME season, making impressive showings at Lucha Underground
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2015 14:11:31 GMT -5
Well I think the person they really wanted was injured. Yeh,the person they wanted got an injure,which explains the winner and how they never even tried with him Even so that does NOT excuse hiring f***ing amanda,when you have 3 contestants of the SAME season, making impressive showings at Lucha Underground I'm not arguing either way since I didn't watch Tough Enough regularly this season.
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Post by Dub H on Aug 26, 2015 14:12:32 GMT -5
Yeh,the person they wanted got an injure,which explains the winner and how they never even tried with him Even so that does NOT excuse hiring f***ing amanda,when you have 3 contestants of the SAME season, making impressive showings at Lucha Underground I'm not arguing either way since I didn't watch Tough Enough regularly this season. I mean cameron,my bad.Unconscious slip or simple mistake?You decide
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 26, 2015 14:17:34 GMT -5
I'm not arguing either way since I didn't watch Tough Enough regularly this season. I mean cameron,my bad.Unconscious slip or simple mistake?You decide Well that I can agree with.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Aug 26, 2015 14:29:49 GMT -5
The Austin Format worked perfectly as far as they got the person they wanted to get. It failed in the sense that the guy they picked went absolutely nowhere and was the wrong guy to begin with. I would've much rather seen Austin yell at people for an hour than Paige scream nonsense at the top of her lungs. I also really don't understand the whole "Amanda was a superior athlete to Sara Lee" business. What qualifications are we using for this? It's not like Sara Lee was out of shape, in fact I'd say she was in better physical condition than Amanda. Amanda was mostly fake parts anyway. Yes, Sara has had some hiccups along the way in training, but when it came down to the live show, Sara blew Amanda away as far as in ring performance. Amanda couldn't even take a side slam properly. Sara Lee has the connection with the fans, has the IT factor, and will be trained at the Performance Center and in NXT until she has the in ring ability. If Cameron can do this for heaven's sake, Sara Lee certainly can. Well I think the person they really wanted was injured. Regardless, Luke was the better of the two finalists.
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Post by Triple H buried SnS on Aug 26, 2015 16:26:10 GMT -5
I love that Amanda latched onto the whole excuse of "playing a heel" angle when it was suggested to her and tried to run with it.
She wasn't playing a heel at first. She was being herself. And she was legitimately upset that people didn't like her and that she SHOULD of gone home 4 weeks ago, then again 3 weeks ago. Then they said "you're the heel play it up" and she acted the same way she always did the rest of the way, but then just explained it away that she was "playing the character".
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Post by trollrogue on Aug 27, 2015 15:49:36 GMT -5
I think part of the Amanda praise was due to the fact than fans still preferred Sara Lee DESPITE Amanda's best slut-shaming efforts. She was almost more than twice as popular as Amanda in the final vote-- if the WWE is gonna try and lowball a less-lucrative developmental deal to Amanda they needed to add in a big side of ego boosting for her to bite.
Amanda's match was less impressive than Sara, IMO. But she went on firat out of the fourbso nerves and 'setting the tone' factors in. They probably expect Amanda to stick thru and try to ignore the blatant disdain the fans had for her throughout the competition, meanwhile Sara has not only the fans and HHH on her side, but also these alleged booty calls she's conquered on the NXT/WWE roster. She'll make it as far as she wishes in the industry easily.
Paige's butthurt about Sara winning was pretty ugly to watch, live. Despite Sara literally proving her wrong in the ring and via the rules of the TE contest throughout the season Paige refused to acknowledge any positivity that Sara could bring to the table. I was half hoping Sara would talk trash about how Hope got a bigger/better reaction than PCB did at the PPV and latest RAW but was appeased when Sara just held up her WWE 250K contract to shut Paige up quickly, good luck matching that yearly salary Anti-Diva!
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Post by percymania on Sept 1, 2015 23:07:38 GMT -5
I didn't watch an episode all season, but I did catch the finale the other night. With that said, I got to judge the final four solely on that performance. With the guys, the right choice was clearly made. Alligator Man ZZ seems like a total joke. Josh shouldn't be wrestling in boxer briefs (and drop THE YETTAH! character), but he was far and away the better wrestler of the two. Josh even looked better than Andy from last season (though that's not saying much). Maybe he'll make it to NXT. We'll see.
REgarding the girls, I thought they made the wrong choice. Amanda actually looked like a WWE diva. The other girl is way too homely. I'm not sure how she won, but I wish her luck.
Jericho was a terrible choice as host. It's a bad role for him. Makes him seem unimportant.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 1, 2015 23:33:26 GMT -5
REgarding the girls, I thought they made the wrong choice. Amanda actually looked like a WWE diva. The other girl is way too homely. I'm not sure how she won, but I wish her luck.
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