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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 20:50:40 GMT -5
Ever get that feeling when hearing a new song (new to you at least) and thinking "Well f***, I could've used that for the last Round?"
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Post by Waffel113 on Jul 30, 2015 20:51:41 GMT -5
Ever get that feeling when hearing a new song (new to you at least) and thinking "Well f***, I could've used that for the last Round?" ALL THE TIME.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 30, 2015 20:55:59 GMT -5
Ever get that feeling when hearing a new song (new to you at least) and thinking "Well f***, I could've used that for the last Round?" Yeah,there was even a Punk song I first heard a few hours ago that my initial thought was would have been perfect for fast round.
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Post by Waffel113 on Jul 30, 2015 21:01:40 GMT -5
As a judge, if you can't think of an artist to use other than one already used in the game thus far without it being a "Double Dip" round, then I can't rank that above someone else more deserving of the title of "FAN Idol" by showing off more versatility and less musical narrow-mindedness. Seems pretty harsh to punish someone for playing within the given rules. If that is the line you are gonna draw then you should also punish people for using familiar hit songs or well known artists too. I see where both of you are coming from, to be honest. On the one hand (to Peg's credit), this is definitely the time where you have to start wowing the judges with some quality stuff. Going back to the well (so to speak) doesn't really reflect well on you, even when the Host has allowed it through the rest of the season. On the other (to rad's credit), read the last part of that last sentence again. Cage has allowed double dipping in all rounds through to the season finale. If you're going to penalize a song just because an artist has been used once this season, then you're basically penalizing someone for operating within the established rules of the game, and that isn't really fair.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jul 30, 2015 21:26:25 GMT -5
This game has been plagued with prejudices from judges in recent seasons: from people who outright hate a music genre and bury all picks from said genre openly to people who automatically score you down if your artist uses a filler "wa wa wa" or "do do do." And we're fine with that. A judge is prejudiced against people picking the same artist over and over again and that's where we choose the draw the line and call the judge out for being s*****.
Look, there are better ways than that to say "get the eff outta here, Peg"
I was attempting a courtesy heads up and a pitfall to avoid. I like what each player brings to the table. The worst thing in the world is scoring someone down because of that. Others take pleasure in their slams and do so way more often, and we are fine with that.
Just say go away, players, and it's done.
EDIT: in fairness, no one said the s-word. That's sensitivity talking from me.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 30, 2015 21:35:45 GMT -5
This game has been plagued with prejudices from judges in recent seasons: from people who outright hate a music genre and bury all picks from said genre openly to people who automatically score you down if your artist uses a filler "wa wa wa" or "do do do." And we're fine with that. A judge is prejudiced against people picking the same artist over and over again and that's where we choose the draw the line and call the judge out for being s*****. Look, there are better ways than that to say "get the eff outta here, Peg" I was attempting a courtesy heads up and a pitfall to avoid. I like what each player brings to the table. The worst thing in the world is scoring someone down because of that. Others take pleasure in their slams and do so way more often, and we are fine with that. Just say go away, players, and it's done. stay the eff in here Peg.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 30, 2015 21:40:07 GMT -5
This game has been plagued with prejudices from judges in recent seasons: from people who outright hate a music genre and bury all picks from said genre openly to people who automatically score you down if your artist uses a filler "wa wa wa" or "do do do." And we're fine with that. A judge is prejudiced against people picking the same artist over and over again and that's where we choose the draw the line and call the judge out for being s*****. Look, there are better ways than that to say "get the eff outta here, Peg" I was attempting a courtesy heads up and a pitfall to avoid. I like what each player brings to the table. The worst thing in the world is scoring someone down because of that. Others take pleasure in their slams and do so way more often, and we are fine with that. Just say go away, players, and it's done. To be fair the artist in question I believe has only been used 2-3 times in the history of the song contest. I wasn't trying to call you a sh**ty judge just saying given the circumstances of the round of no singoff it seemed harsh to punish someone especially since your criteria was not known when people sent in the last song.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:46:11 GMT -5
It's interesting that this discussion is being had between three people that have judged in past seasons.
My two cents, as a judge from Season VII and Idol's sister game, as well as a past Host:
Judges can judge songs using whatever criteria they so choose as long as they don't base their criteria on concerns outside of the game.
Ideally, you want a judging pool to consist of individuals with wide-ranging tastes that disagree as often as they agree. It makes it all the more special, all the more dramatic when they do agree on which songs win the round.
People can have their own opinion about the matter, but I feel Peg is being perfectly fair in this matter. Remember, there are other judges at play here and his reasoning, in my opinion, is not restrictive to the point of unfairness.
Peg's a multiple winner and gives reasons for his rankings. What he's doing is no different than what people like the Anonymous GM, Jazzman, and Square have done in the past as judge.
Now it's on the table, for better or worse.
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Post by Waffel113 on Jul 30, 2015 21:52:59 GMT -5
If I started anything, then by all means I didn't mean to. I just wanted to offer my perspective on an issue that seems to go back several seasons (I remember a similar debate between Square and Roxie earlier this season, and between Roxie and Jazzman last season).
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jul 30, 2015 21:55:35 GMT -5
This game has been plagued with prejudices from judges in recent seasons: from people who outright hate a music genre and bury all picks from said genre openly to people who automatically score you down if your artist uses a filler "wa wa wa" or "do do do." And we're fine with that. A judge is prejudiced against people picking the same artist over and over again and that's where we choose the draw the line and call the judge out for being s*****. Look, there are better ways than that to say "get the eff outta here, Peg" I was attempting a courtesy heads up and a pitfall to avoid. I like what each player brings to the table. The worst thing in the world is scoring someone down because of that. Others take pleasure in their slams and do so way more often, and we are fine with that. Just say go away, players, and it's done. To be fair the artist in question I believe has only been used 2-3 times in the history of the song contest. I wasn't trying to call you a sh**ty judge just saying given the circumstances of the round of no singoff it seemed harsh to punish someone especially since your criteria was not known when people sent in the last song. Lot of respect for you. One of the best players we've had in the ten seasons. I take what you say to heart. And very sensitive about issues of "fairness," because it simply isn't something I like being accused of. Not trying to be retaliatory, but wanted to speak my peace earlier. You haven't gone unheard either. Much respect.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jul 30, 2015 21:56:17 GMT -5
If I started anything, then by all means I didn't mean to. I just wanted to offer my perspective on an issue that seems to go back several seasons (I remember a similar debate between Square and Roxie earlier this season, and between Roxie and Jazzman last season). *thumbs up*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:01:08 GMT -5
Now that we have that figured out, let's get back on track...
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Jul 30, 2015 22:37:12 GMT -5
Guess I'll throw my two cents in while I'm here.
I can understand where you're coming from Peg. I'll be the first admit I was a little harsh with some songs in how I judged them, more early on though than anything. But I felt an honest approach was the best way to go. I wanted to tell the contestant exactly what I thought about their song, both for constructive criticism purposes and just to help give them an idea of what I look for in scoring songs.
And yes, I despise filler lyrics. I tried not to let it impact my scores too much, but that's honestly how I felt. I will say though I never ranked a song at the very bottom solely because of that, not to my recollection, at least. And there are some songs that I did like that contained such lyrics.
Judging is a difficult job. It's also time-consuming. The latter reason is why I stepped down, well that and not wanting to hold things up anymore than I already had.
Honestly I think your judging helped push me to be a little more clear with my own though when I was part of that process. You're a huge asset to this game, Peg, and everybody here is lucky to have you.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 30, 2015 22:50:28 GMT -5
I can tell you guys this, as far as my judging, I will never let a genre bias tank a song, largely because I don't limit myself in what I listen to, that said I judge in a pretty technical way with 2 of the 3 main categories I use (technical and recording quality) It gives a chance for songs I don't even like to win a round, or a song I love to not make the top of my list. My last category, emotional resonance(which also acts as a bit of a reviewers tilt, no lie) can either make up for technical shortcomings, or it can drop a technical song a bit, but not really that far.
If you want to reuse an artists, by all means, go for it. But just because one song is really good, doesn't mean another from that act is guaranteed to top my list, it depends on the field you are in. And so far, every round I have judged you guys have surprised me by posting a song I love, but another posts something superior and it knocks down a personal favorite.
Keep it up, it is fun. For me, it is up to you if you roll the dice, I judge the song presented, not the artist.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 30, 2015 22:52:53 GMT -5
Guess I'll throw my two cents in while I'm here. I can understand where you're coming from Peg. I'll be the first admit I was a little harsh with some songs in how I judged them, more early on though than anything. But I felt an honest approach was the best way to go. I wanted to tell the contestant exactly what I thought about their song, both for constructive criticism purposes and just to help give them an idea of what I look for in scoring songs. And yes, I despise filler lyrics. I tried not to let it impact my scores too much, but that's honestly how I felt. I will say though I never ranked a song at the very bottom solely because of that, not to my recollection, at least. And there are some songs that I did like that contained such lyrics. Judging is a difficult job. It's also time-consuming. The latter reason is why I stepped down, well that and not wanting to hold things up anymore than I already had. Honestly I think your judging helped push me to be a little more clear with my own though when I was part of that process. You're a huge asset to this game, Peg, and everybody here is lucky to have you. Funnily enough I replace you and I love do's wa's, na's la's, and especially whoa oh's. If they are part of a sing along that is great, but if it feels like "oh shit we need to finish this song" and rather than putting it there for a reason, that is when I will go "hmm, umm" and it may take off some tech points.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 30, 2015 22:58:12 GMT -5
When I was a judge I recall being pretty harsh on Bawitdaba's and Shooby Dooby Doo Wops but very leniant with Shamalamading Dong's and Ramalamading dong's
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 30, 2015 23:01:03 GMT -5
When I was a judge I recall being pretty harsh on Bawitdaba's and Shooby Dooby Doo Wops but very leniant with Shamalamading Dong's and Ramalamading dong's You obviously love the dong.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 30, 2015 23:02:03 GMT -5
Last thing on the topic for now, you guys can always discuss with me any of the rankings or my notes. Especially the notes for this next round, they are batshit insanity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 0:40:37 GMT -5
Gah, the waiting !
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 31, 2015 1:29:33 GMT -5
Gah, the waiting ! We could play a rousing game of "Wheel of Fish" while we wait.
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