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Post by Cela on Jul 7, 2015 2:45:36 GMT -5
Okay, honest question here and it is not an intention to troll or flame. But if they knowingly took the drugs and were consenting to sexual acts, where is the wrong doing? Especially if they were two consenting adults. The mob has spoken.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 7, 2015 4:17:18 GMT -5
Nice to know that a story that over 30 women spoke out on is now finally validated because a guy admitted he did it. Isn't that kind of what the American judicial system is based on? Innocent until proven guilty?
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 7, 2015 5:14:42 GMT -5
Nice to know that a story that over 30 women spoke out on is now finally validated because a guy admitted he did it. Isn't that kind of what the American judicial system is based on? Innocent until proven guilty? In a court of law, yes. That doesn't mean people have to pretend they don't strongly suspect someone of wrongdoing. Ask OJ.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jul 7, 2015 5:28:39 GMT -5
Isn't that kind of what the American judicial system is based on? Innocent until proven guilty? In a court of law, yes. That doesn't mean people have to pretend they don't strongly suspect someone of wrongdoing. Ask OJ. I agree, but you also can't just lock somebody away because of suspicions.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 7, 2015 5:31:59 GMT -5
In a court of law, yes. That doesn't mean people have to pretend they don't strongly suspect someone of wrongdoing. Ask OJ. I agree, but you also can't just lock somebody away because of suspicions. He's not going to face any criminal punishment for his actions, if he did it, so that's not really a concern. The statute of limitations has long since passed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 6:16:29 GMT -5
he's a f***ing prick and I'm angry it took this long for people to finally believe it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jul 7, 2015 6:37:29 GMT -5
He and Lisa Bonet *hated* each other during the Cosby Show. You kinda have to wonder if he may have attempted something on her.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 7, 2015 7:44:25 GMT -5
He and Lisa Bonet *hated* each other during the Cosby Show. You kinda have to wonder if he may have attempted something on her. Oh, he did
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 7, 2015 7:53:08 GMT -5
He and Lisa Bonet *hated* each other during the Cosby Show. You kinda have to wonder if he may have attempted something on her. Oh, he did ...Source? Link? Anything?
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jul 7, 2015 8:02:44 GMT -5
...Source? Link? Anything? Well...I'm just guessing. But it would not surprise me
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 7, 2015 8:12:17 GMT -5
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jul 7, 2015 8:15:25 GMT -5
He and Lisa Bonet *hated* each other during the Cosby Show. You kinda have to wonder if he may have attempted something on her. I don't know if he did anything to her, but I do know that at least a couple of his accusers were young women that either were hired to act on his show or its spinoff that she briefly starred in, so it is not outside the realm of possibility since it appears like he clearly did not mind shitting where he ate.
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 7, 2015 8:27:35 GMT -5
Okay, honest question here and it is not an intention to troll or flame. But if they knowingly took the drugs and were consenting to sexual acts, where is the wrong doing? Especially if they were two consenting adults. Bolded the flaw in your argument.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 7, 2015 8:32:56 GMT -5
I don't see it really mattering whether or not it was consenual, people wanted a reason to villify Bill Cosby and right or wrong, they have it now.
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Post by mattperiolat on Jul 7, 2015 8:38:20 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I feel like I've been lied to? Never been a big Cosby fan, but have fond memories of some of the stand up, Fat Albert, I Spy and The Cosby Show. Felt awful for him when his son was brutally murdered some years back. Now? It's like finding out the dad on 7th Heaven was a child molestor. You feel like you should have known, that you shouldn't have bought the act.
Probably not even a tenth of what the actual victims feel, but that's my frame of reference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 8:52:07 GMT -5
Are we ignoring the part where he says that the women took the drugs consensually before consensually having sex? OK. Also, this isn't me being a Cosby defender, I'm neutral until we know 100%. Right now, we know 99% and we won't know 100% until he either admits it or someone whose statute of limitations hasn't expired yet comes forward. Here he says there were times he gave women drugs who then gave him sex. Not the same as admitting to date rape. Actually it IS the same as admitting to date rape. Giving someone a drug that affected their ability to give consent, then having sex with them. Sounds like date rape to me. You can't have consensual sex if one of the parties is unable to give proper consent That's like when a girl gets super drunk and the guy stays sober then they have "consensual sex?" Nope. Sorry, Cos, your own archaic notions of what you THINK is "consent" just outed yourself as a date rapist. Get wasted isn't an open invite for people to have sex with you when you're unable to fully understand what's going on. That is predatory behavior of the most disgusting kind.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jul 7, 2015 8:54:06 GMT -5
...Source? Link? Anything? Well...I'm just guessing. But it would not surprise me 'Kay.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 7, 2015 8:57:18 GMT -5
Are we ignoring the part where he says that the women took the drugs consensually before consensually having sex? OK. Also, this isn't me being a Cosby defender, I'm neutral until we know 100%. Right now, we know 99% and we won't know 100% until he either admits it or someone whose statute of limitations hasn't expired yet comes forward. Here he says there were times he gave women drugs who then gave him sex. Not the same as admitting to date rape. Actually it IS the same as admitting to date rape. Giving someone a drug that affected their ability to give consent, then having sex with them. Sounds like date rape to me. You can't have consensual sex if one of the parties is unable to give proper consent That's like when a girl gets super drunk and the guy stays sober then they have "consensual sex?" Nope. Sorry, Cos, your own archaic notions of what you THINK is "consent" just outed yourself as a date rapist. Get wasted isn't an open invite for people to have sex with you when you're unable to fully understand what's going on. That is predatory behavior of the most disgusting kind. Exactly. The "mob" isn't angry just about the quaaludes, it's what Cosby allegedly did to these women after he apparently convinced them to take the substances.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 9:02:34 GMT -5
Actually it IS the same as admitting to date rape. Giving someone a drug that affected their ability to give consent, then having sex with them. Sounds like date rape to me. You can't have consensual sex if one of the parties is unable to give proper consent That's like when a girl gets super drunk and the guy stays sober then they have "consensual sex?" Nope. Sorry, Cos, your own archaic notions of what you THINK is "consent" just outed yourself as a date rapist. Get wasted isn't an open invite for people to have sex with you when you're unable to fully understand what's going on. That is predatory behavior of the most disgusting kind. Exactly. The "mob" isn't angry just about the quaaludes, it's what Cosby allegedly did to these women after he apparently convinced them to take the substances. Yup. Even if he didn't convince them at all and they were like, "Holy shit Bill, you've got ludes! I LOOOOVE ludes!! gimme gimme gimme!!!!" it still doesn't justify him having sex with them while they're high and unable to fully comprehend what's going on.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 7, 2015 9:20:35 GMT -5
Exactly. The "mob" isn't angry just about the quaaludes, it's what Cosby allegedly did to these women after he apparently convinced them to take the substances. Yup. Even if he didn't convince them at all and they were like, "Holy shit Bill, you've got ludes! I LOOOOVE ludes!! gimme gimme gimme!!!!" it still doesn't justify him having sex with them while they're high and unable to fully comprehend what's going on. Pretty much. When the person taking the drugs loses their inhibition and the effects diminish their ability to possibly say "no" at an point- the definition of consent- it's rape. Cosby is confession to raping these women, no matter how any of us here try to spin it.
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